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Has backwards compatibility helped sell Xbox One consoles?

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Gunvalkyrie2 3 days ago#1
Has backwards compatibility helped sell Xbox One consoles? - Results (202 votes)
Yes, it's a nice feature.
55.94%
113
No, it's a non factor for current owners only.
24.75%
50
Hard to say.
19.31%
39
Do you know anyone who bought an x1 over ps4 based on bc? I do.
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zombody 3 days ago#3
Over a ps4? No, but I have friends who finally decided to buy an Xbox One as well because of it. I'm also pretty damn happy with it too.
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kingpin66636 3 days ago#4
It is a huge bonus but it's not the sole reason
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kyncani 3 days ago#5
You think Xbox One would have sold less if it didn't have BC ?
holden4ever 3 days ago#6
Babbit55 3 days ago#7
So at this point maybe not, though as time goes on and IF Sony do not pick up BC as well then Microsoft will be able to pitch an upgraded console with a huge library of games you already own. If you are moving to the next gen of consoles and you have 2 choices what would you pick?

Console with all your current games and accessories playable, and all the latest games too 

or

Console with a handful of release games and nothing else.
punisher1379 3 days ago#8
holden4ever posted...
I'm sure at least one person bought one because it had BC.


I did. You can never go wrong with BC.
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ArsenicSteel 3 days ago#9
punisher1379 posted...
holden4ever posted...
I'm sure at least one person bought one because it had BC.


I did. You can never go wrong with BC.


BC added 100 bucks to the cost of the og PS3. Sony struggle to sell those fat units.
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ArsenicSteel posted...
punisher1379 posted...
holden4ever posted...
I'm sure at least one person bought one because it had BC.


I did. You can never go wrong with BC.


BC added 100 bucks to the cost of the og PS3. Sony struggle to sell those fat units.


I am referring to how Microsoft handled it. In this case, you are not paying extra and you are getting a very nice feature. I picked up my Xbox One S on sale online for $190, with no tax and free shipping.
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Billo 3 days ago#11
I'm sure it convinced at least some people to pick up an XB1, maybe not over a PS4 but in addition to it.
But is it a feature that can sell enough console to really matter in the grand scheme of things. I'd have to go with a hard no.
It helped my decision to get a 'bone, so yeah
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punisher1379 posted...
ArsenicSteel posted...
punisher1379 posted...
holden4ever posted...
I'm sure at least one person bought one because it had BC.


I did. You can never go wrong with BC.


BC added 100 bucks to the cost of the og PS3. Sony struggle to sell those fat units.


I am referring to how Microsoft handled it. In this case, you are not paying extra and you are getting a very nice feature. I picked up my Xbox One S on sale online for $190, with no tax and free shipping.


You didn't limit your claim to Xbox and the topic was already dragging Playstation into it. 

The point is BC can be implemented badly
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VanderZoo 3 days ago#14
Babbit55 posted...
So at this point maybe not, though as time goes on and IF Sony do not pick up BC as well then Microsoft will be able to pitch an upgraded console with a huge library of games you already own. If you are moving to the next gen of consoles and you have 2 choices what would you pick?

Console with all your current games and accessories playable, and all the latest games too 

or

Console with a handful of release games and nothing else.


It's not a factor. Look how many people switched to 360 from PS2.

100 million people bought a Wii, hardly anyone bought a Wii U (and it was 100% BC with all Wii games and accessories).

Switch has no BC with anything and it's selling well. And of course PS4 has no BC, and it's selling really well.

BC is a great feature, but ultimately people buy new consoles for new games.
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Babbit55 3 days ago#15
VanderZoo posted...
It's not a factor. Look how many people switched to 360 from PS2.

100 million people bought a Wii, hardly anyone bought a Wii U (and it was 100% BC with all Wii games and accessories).

Switch has no BC with anything and it's selling well. And of course PS4 has no BC, and it's selling really well.

BC is a great feature, but ultimately people buy new consoles for new games.


With PS3/360 Price played a MASSIVE part in the 360's success

The Wii U name was a mistake as the most people who picked up Wii's didn't even know it was an upgrade since a hell of a lot of Wii buyers got it for Wii fit and Wii sport.

Switch is pretty unique to be fair, that uniqueness is what sells it, though how many people got it as there primary gaming console? Or as a secondary for exclusives/portability?

Both the PS4 and Xbox one didn't have BC on release so we cannot be sure the affect it may of had, that and the xbox release was abysmally handled, almost made the Dreamcast release look good.

Like I said in a different post. BC is not the headline, though as gens move on, it will become a much bigger aspect of peoples purchasing choice.
VanderZoo 3 days ago#16
Babbit55 posted...

Like I said in a different post. BC is not the headline, though as gens move on, it will become a much bigger aspect of peoples purchasing choice.


I agree with that because of digital distribution mainly. I think PS5 will be BC with PS4 anyway, there's some practical reasons why they couldn't make PS4 BC with PS3.

But before that, Sony was the best with backwards compatibility, they did it before anyone else.
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Babbit55 3 days ago#17
VanderZoo posted...
Babbit55 posted...

Like I said in a different post. BC is not the headline, though as gens move on, it will become a much bigger aspect of peoples purchasing choice.


I agree with that because of digital distribution mainly. I think PS5 will be BC with PS4 anyway, there's some practical reasons why they couldn't make PS4 BC with PS3.

But before that, Sony was the best with backwards compatibility, they did it before anyone else.


Yeah, not making the PS5 Backwards compatible would be a huge mistake. Surely Sony learned from the mistakes of the PS3 pricing and the Xbox one release, that you do not take your customers for granted a the majority can be pretty fickle.
Like I said in a different post. BC is not the headline, though as gens move on, it will become a much bigger aspect of peoples purchasing choice.


8 gens in and it's barely been a full feature on 2 consoles and a few handhelds. 

It remains one of those things some loud individuals overstate the importance of. Think about how absurd it sounds, as we get newer platforms most people will want to play their old games on their new systems. 

There is a market for it. I love playing classics time to time but it's marginal, at best, when looking at the time people spend with current games.
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Babbit55 3 days ago#19
ArsenicSteel posted...
Think about how absurd it sounds, as we get newer platforms most people will want to play their old games on their new systems.


Ask someone who mainly plays on PC how absurd it is that they shouldn't be able to play older games on newer hardware just because it is new.

Given the choice, I would rather have BC available and be able to play the games I enjoy on a single bit of hardware, than have to keep old kit just to play the odd older game I want to play.
Babbit55 posted...
ArsenicSteel posted...
Think about how absurd it sounds, as we get newer platforms most people will want to play their old games on their new systems.


Ask someone who mainly plays on PC how absurd it is that they shouldn't be able to play older games on newer hardware just because it is new.

Given the choice, I would rather have BC available and be able to play the games I enjoy on a single bit of hardware, than have to keep old kit just to play the odd older game I want to play.


Taking away an innate capability of the PC platform isn't the topic. 

BC for the console market has never been important. It's been nice when it has happened but doesn't push the industry.
It's geeks who really make or break a TV show or movie or videogame.
Bumbleoni 3 days ago#21
VanderZoo posted...
Sony was the best with backwards compatibility, they did it before anyone else.


I believe you could play Atari 2600 games on the Atari 5200, I think that might have been the first console to be "backwards compatible" but I'm not 100% sure
Babbit55 3 days ago#22
ArsenicSteel posted...
Babbit55 posted...
ArsenicSteel posted...
Think about how absurd it sounds, as we get newer platforms most people will want to play their old games on their new systems.


Ask someone who mainly plays on PC how absurd it is that they shouldn't be able to play older games on newer hardware just because it is new.

Given the choice, I would rather have BC available and be able to play the games I enjoy on a single bit of hardware, than have to keep old kit just to play the odd older game I want to play.


Taking away an innate capability of the PC platform isn't the topic. 

BC for the console market has never been important. It's been nice when it has happened but doesn't push the industry.


Well as has been shown, current consoles can play older games though hardware emulation, since this only now requires software and not a whole PS1/PS2 within the console (How the PS2 and 3 did it) they are very different beasts. 

Or would you, as a gamer and consumer rather not have the choice at all?
GinsuVictim 3 days ago#23
Bumbleoni posted...
VanderZoo posted...
Sony was the best with backwards compatibility, they did it before anyone else.


I believe you could play Atari 2600 games on the Atari 5200, I think that might have been the first console to be "backwards compatible" but I'm not 100% sure

The 5200 required an adapter that came too late into its life cycle and only worked on 2-port models. Before Sony was even making consoles, we had backwards compatibility on:
7800 played 2600.
Sega Genesis had an add-on to play Master System games.
SNES had the Super GameBoy add-on.

Sure, the last two required an add-on, but 7800 was right out of the box.
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Babbit55 posted...
ArsenicSteel posted...
Babbit55 posted...
ArsenicSteel posted...
Think about how absurd it sounds, as we get newer platforms most people will want to play their old games on their new systems.


Ask someone who mainly plays on PC how absurd it is that they shouldn't be able to play older games on newer hardware just because it is new.

Given the choice, I would rather have BC available and be able to play the games I enjoy on a single bit of hardware, than have to keep old kit just to play the odd older game I want to play.


Taking away an innate capability of the PC platform isn't the topic. 

BC for the console market has never been important. It's been nice when it has happened but doesn't push the industry.


Well as has been shown, current consoles can play older games though hardware emulation, since this only now requires software and not a whole PS1/PS2 within the console (How the PS2 and 3 did it) they are very different beasts. 

Or would you, as a gamer and consumer rather not have the choice at all?


Wrong topic.
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WeskerTeam 3 days ago#25
I was always going to get it but I waited until they announced bc before I bought One.
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Babbit55 posted...
Or would you, as a gamer and consumer rather not have the choice at all?

Doubt he'll answer that.
Runeweaver 3 days ago#27
Its hard to say if it had an noticeable effect without sales figures, Personally I think it would have had a short term effect, enough to push a few people who were close to buying the xbox but needed an extra push, but after that I doubt it had an further effect,
I don't really know or care why anyone else buys what they buy. That's their business. All I care about is why I bought it. That's really all that matters.

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JcOpIVY86 3 days ago#29
Definitely a factor for me. 
Last time I owned an Xbox was the 360 until it died on me. 
The Game Pass would not be worth it without the 360 games on it. 
Really looking forward to Orignal Xbox games on there. 
Crossing my fingers for Jade Empire and KOTOR. 
Oh and PGR damn it.
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Bumbleoni 3 days ago#30
GinsuVictim posted...
Bumbleoni posted...
VanderZoo posted...
Sony was the best with backwards compatibility, they did it before anyone else.


I believe you could play Atari 2600 games on the Atari 5200, I think that might have been the first console to be "backwards compatible" but I'm not 100% sure

The 5200 required an adapter that came too late into its life cycle and only worked on 2-port models. Before Sony was even making consoles, we had backwards compatibility on:
7800 played 2600.
Sega Genesis had an add-on to play Master System games.
SNES had the Super GameBoy add-on.

Sure, the last two required an add-on, but 7800 was right out of the box.


When I was a kid we had a 2600 then from there I went to a NES, I knew about the BC on 5200 but I didn't know about the 7800 being BC right out of the box, that's pretty cool
GinsuVictim 3 days ago#31
Bumbleoni posted...
GinsuVictim posted...
Bumbleoni posted...
VanderZoo posted...
Sony was the best with backwards compatibility, they did it before anyone else.


I believe you could play Atari 2600 games on the Atari 5200, I think that might have been the first console to be "backwards compatible" but I'm not 100% sure

The 5200 required an adapter that came too late into its life cycle and only worked on 2-port models. Before Sony was even making consoles, we had backwards compatibility on:
7800 played 2600.
Sega Genesis had an add-on to play Master System games.
SNES had the Super GameBoy add-on.

Sure, the last two required an add-on, but 7800 was right out of the box.


When I was a kid we had a 2600 then from there I went to a NES, I knew about the BC on 5200 but I didn't know about the 7800 being BC right out of the box, that's pretty cool

I played more 2600 on my 7800 than anything. Of course, I only had like four 7800 carts. They were not common.
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TauriLeader 3 days ago#32
If it did sell more consoles it's not being used all that much. Last I read since it launched it made up 500 million gaming hours out of 18 billion gaming hours
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Of course it helped. Some people here may be too young to remember last gen but BC was a huge feature then just as it is now. A lot of people enjoy it.
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Billo 2 days ago#34
Babbit55 posted...
ArsenicSteel posted...
Think about how absurd it sounds, as we get newer platforms most people will want to play their old games on their new systems.


Ask someone who mainly plays on PC how absurd it is that they shouldn't be able to play older games on newer hardware just because it is new.

Given the choice, I would rather have BC available and be able to play the games I enjoy on a single bit of hardware, than have to keep old kit just to play the odd older game I want to play.

The topic isn't about whether we would like to have BC or not, that's an obvious yes. The question is whether it's a feature that affects whether I'm going to buy a console because of it or not buy one if its lacking the feature and for that it's a no.
Absolutely
It sold me my two Xbox One consoles.
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I think it was the push a lot needed to transition from 360 to One.
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MabusIncarnate posted...
I think it was the push a lot needed to transition from 360 to One.


This even though I have a fleet of Xbox 360s, it is still comforting to know that I will be able to buy a system in 2020 that plays Xbox 360 games.
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seanskate 1 day ago#39
It prevented me from selling mine. I never really played after finishing all the halo and gears and was contemplating selling. BC sale got like 15 games i wanted for 100 bucks, fallout, rdr, dead space trilogy will always be classics to me.
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VanderZoo 1 day ago#41
uubershikamarux posted...
yes friend of mine got one to play red dead redemption the day it went backwards compatible


I have zero idea as to why rockstar didn't do a remaster of that game, it would have printed money.
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TheGam3925 1 day ago#42
BC on the Xbone is pretty horrible anyway. If I don't have access to %99.99 of my 360 games on the Xbone then there's no point in it.

If I have to hook up my 360 to play Deadly Premonition, or my original Xbox to play Otogi, then I might as well just do that and have access to all of my games instead of this half assed s*** on the Xbone.

That's why the original PS3 model did it the best. I can still play my PS1, PS2 and PS3 games on it.
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snikt6384 1 day ago#43
It's absolutely selling consoles. How many, I don't know. But I think Xbone struggles from a lack of identity, as well as the bad will that has continued on (unfairly IMO) since that initial E3. As someone who got a PS4 first, there's almost no reason to own the system... but I do find BC enticing enough to snag one on the cheap.
TheGam3925 posted...
BC on the Xbone is pretty horrible anyway. If I don't have access to %99.99 of my 360 games on the Xbone then there's no point in it.

If I have to hook up my 360 to play Deadly Premonition, or my original Xbox to play Otogi, then I might as well just do that and have access to all of my games instead of this half assed s*** on the Xbone.

That's why the original PS3 model did it the best. I can still play my PS1, PS2 and PS3 games on it.

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It's one of the reasons I finally picked one up... so I guess it does help sell consoles!
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Apalachicola 9 hours ago#46
It was not a factor for me. It's a pleasant feature I suppose, but one I think I've used only twice. I've played more PS3 games on PS4.
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amerk 4 hours ago#47
It's a nice feature, but if I were to base purchases on that alone I'd have missed out on other great consoles.

So, it's not necessarily a selling point, but is a nice feature, and in the end I'm not going to gripe if a feature I may or may not use is added.
urmie 3 hours ago#48
This generation it's definitely an exclusive to Xbox, which is a great free addition.

Imagine paying for it and having to wait? Well you got PSNow, which is a failure and should probably be called PS Later, lol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6onr3t/playstation_now_is_a_joke_pay_for_a_subscription/

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GinsuVictim 3 hours ago#49
urmie posted...
This generation it's definitely an exclusive to Xbox, which is a great free addition.

Imagine paying for it and having to wait? Well you got PSNow, which is a failure and should probably be called PS Later, lol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6onr3t/playstation_now_is_a_joke_pay_for_a_subscription/

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Holy crap, I had no idea about this! WOW!
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