Friday, July 21, 2017

Weren't 360 graphics good enough?

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Gunvalkyrie2 22 hours ago#1
I mostly play my 360 games range from 6 to 7 GB I don't know it just seems like the perfect trade off with clarity versus size of game I just never see that giant leap when I jump into a 50 to 100 GB game on the One. 

Playing flat out ultimate carnage right now I'm not sure if it's backwards compatible but it's really worth playing. It's an awesome arcade racer.
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Rand_Aybara 20 hours ago#2
No
VanderZoo 19 hours ago#3
The file size of games now are annoying, but you know, whatever, trade off for better graphics, better audio, less loading etc.

I mean compare The Witcher 2 on 360 to The Witcher 3. Witcher 3 has better graphics, is 35x larger in world size, and has no loading once in the world.

If it takes up more room, so be it.
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AlphaOmega786 18 hours ago#4
No. 

The 360 and PS3 were great machines in their time, but there is a clear visual difference between gaming on those, compared to the games being released tor the Xbox One and PS4. 

The file size is of no issue to me, I mostly buy physical anyway and my download speeds are insane.
Diesel95 18 hours ago#5
this how gaming is its never enough just like tvs or music... do we need mp3 no... but thats where it is
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Foppe 18 hours ago#6
Graphics is not the only thing that takes up more space.
And why would they keep compressing their games when they got 50 GB of storage media?
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VanderZoo 16 hours ago#7
AlphaOmega786 posted...
No. 

The 360 and PS3 were great machines in their time, but there is a clear visual difference between gaming on those, compared to the games being released tor the Xbox One and PS4. 

The file size is of no issue to me, I mostly buy physical anyway and my download speeds are insane.


You still need to install them from the disc though. Which in a way makes file size more important than ever.
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LanternOfAsh 9 hours ago#8
Oh wait, just another 'I don't have an external HDD' topic.
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agentspoon 9 hours ago#9
It makes me laugh that Halo five is already over ninety gig and the 4K textures are gonna another one hundred gig.
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uptown710 9 hours ago#10
There will be a point when we hit diminishing returns. The jump from the snes era to the PS era was damn near tangible. Now it's, for the most part, more nuanced. 

I personally feel that these games are getting ridiculous with their file sizes though. 106GB for one damn game? Come on.
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Otterz4Life 9 hours ago#11
If you're low on room and you don't want an external HDD, just uninstall a game you haven't played in a while. It's that simple.

Games are going to get even bigger unless they can figure out better methods of compression.
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Jiggy101011 8 hours ago#13
As someone that still has their 360 hooked up and plays old games on it you can noticeably tell the difference between a 360 game and an Xbox One game. A game like Batman Arkham Knight I don't believe could have been done on the old hardware. Anytime the batmobile would change I think it would cause the old systems to chug and that is just one game.

In my opinion TC invest in a 1TB HDD.
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uptown710 8 hours ago#14
Otterz4Life posted...
If you're low on room and you don't want an external HDD, just uninstall a game you haven't played in a while. It's that simple.

Games are going to get even bigger unless they can figure out better methods of compression.


Easy to say, but what happens when you have data caps, or your provider isn't the best? Some guys take 24 hours to download a game on this board.
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arrrdunla 8 hours ago#15
Just insert GTA IV into your 360/One and see how it looks. I did this recently and was shocked how awful it looks. Blurry puke all over the screen, it really is that bad. I remember last gen games looking better than they really are.
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fon1988 8 hours ago#16
I think the file size of games now days is ridiculously big. I don't see a MASSIVE upgrade in graphics, but there definitely is one.
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VanderZoo 8 hours ago#17
uptown710 posted...
Otterz4Life posted...
If you're low on room and you don't want an external HDD, just uninstall a game you haven't played in a while. It's that simple.

Games are going to get even bigger unless they can figure out better methods of compression.


Easy to say, but what happens when you have data caps, or your provider isn't the best? Some guys take 24 hours to download a game on this board.


I'm in Australia. Took me over a day to download FO4 on PC, that's 80gb. And my internet is far from the worst here.
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Otterz4Life 8 hours ago#18
VanderZoo posted...
uptown710 posted...
Otterz4Life posted...
If you're low on room and you don't want an external HDD, just uninstall a game you haven't played in a while. It's that simple.

Games are going to get even bigger unless they can figure out better methods of compression.


Easy to say, but what happens when you have data caps, or your provider isn't the best? Some guys take 24 hours to download a game on this board.


I'm in Australia. Took me over a day to download FO4 on PC, that's 80gb. And my internet is far from the worst here.


If that's the case you should definitely buy physical and not even think about going digital unless necessary. Then you'd only need to download the updates. 

Or pony up for the external.
uptown710 8 hours ago#19
Otterz4Life posted...
VanderZoo posted...
uptown710 posted...
Otterz4Life posted...
If you're low on room and you don't want an external HDD, just uninstall a game you haven't played in a while. It's that simple.

Games are going to get even bigger unless they can figure out better methods of compression.


Easy to say, but what happens when you have data caps, or your provider isn't the best? Some guys take 24 hours to download a game on this board.


I'm in Australia. Took me over a day to download FO4 on PC, that's 80gb. And my internet is far from the worst here.


If that's the case you should definitely buy physical and not even think about going digital unless necessary. Then you'd only need to download the updates. 

Or pony up for the external.


I know here in the states, it's damn near impossible to find new PC releases on physical media.
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ChubbierTube 8 hours ago#21
I'm perfectly fine with last gen graphics as long as you can give me true 1080p and 60fps on all games.
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AlphaOmega786 4 hours ago#22
VanderZoo posted...
AlphaOmega786 posted...
No. 

The 360 and PS3 were great machines in their time, but there is a clear visual difference between gaming on those, compared to the games being released tor the Xbox One and PS4. 

The file size is of no issue to me, I mostly buy physical anyway and my download speeds are insane.


You still need to install them from the disc though. Which in a way makes file size more important than ever.


Not at all. Both platforms can support at least 2TB internally and at least another 8TB externally. That's more than sufficient space, to last the entire gen.
Jiggy101011 4 hours ago#23
ChubbierTube posted...
I'm perfectly fine with last gen graphics as long as you can give me true 1080p and 60fps on all games.


So then you aren't perfectly fine with last gen graphics.
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Jamin 4 hours ago#24
AlphaOmega786 posted...
The file size is of no issue to me, I mostly buy physical anyway and my download speeds are insane.

The file size is the same for both physical and digital copies. In fact, the disc is just there for verification, you have the entire game on the system when you install it.
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Otterz4Life 4 hours ago#25
Jamin posted...
AlphaOmega786 posted...
The file size is of no issue to me, I mostly buy physical anyway and my download speeds are insane.

The file size is the same for both physical and digital copies. In fact, the disc is just there for verification, you have the entire game on the system when you install it.


You install a bulk of the game from disc and after that, yes, it's just a key. 

Installing from disk is faster and not dependent on you internet connection or count against a data cap if you have one.
agentspoon 4 hours ago#26
You dont install from the disk.

You use the disk to download a digital version. The disk simply acts as a key.
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Halo_Forever 4 hours ago#27
Jiggy101011 posted...
As someone that still has their 360 hooked up and plays old games on it you can noticeably tell the difference between a 360 game and an Xbox One game. A game like Batman Arkham Knight I don't believe could have been done on the old hardware. Anytime the batmobile would change I think it would cause the old systems to chug and that is just one game.

In my opinion TC invest in a 1TB HDD.


Firstly, look at the old Transformers games on the Xbox 360. No chugging there. (I'm not saying that the game could have been done on the Xbox 360, just that the transforming wouldn't be a problem).

Secondly a 1TB HDD is about as adequate a solution to the storage issue as a flaccid cod is to repel a Mongol horde, I'm rocking a 4 TB and a 2 TB HDD and I'm still strapped for space. And this is after I bought pretty much every game that is both on the Xbox 360 and Xbox One on the X360 (e.g. where Sniper Elite 3 takes 10 MB rather than 30 gigs).
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Jiggy101011 4 hours ago#28
agentspoon posted...
You dont install from the disk.

You use the disk to download a digital version. The disk simply acts as a key.


Disk installs are still faster than installing a digital game though.
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GinsuVictim 4 hours ago#29
agentspoon posted...
You dont install from the disk.

You use the disk to download a digital version. The disk simply acts as a key.

Considering you can install the game offline....no.
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agentspoon 4 hours ago#30
Ohhhhh, f***!

Its when you install Xbox 360 disks that you download the digital version and the disk is a key. 

My mistake, I apologise.
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desaigamon 4 hours ago#31
agentspoon posted...
You dont install from the disk.

You use the disk to download a digital version. The disk simply acts as a key.

That's only for BC 360 games though. Xbox One games install directly from the disk. The only thing you have to download are the updates.
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agentspoon 4 hours ago#33
Sorry, since I started Game Sharing all my games are digital.
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0ofreako0 4 hours ago#34
AlphaOmega786 posted...
The file size is of no issue to me, I mostly buy physical anyway and my download speeds are insane.




except even physical games have to be installed. physical and download speeds mean nothing. that doesn't change the fact that every game has to be installed and they are huge.
BlanketPI 4 hours ago#35
Jiggy101011 posted...
ChubbierTube posted...
I'm perfectly fine with last gen graphics as long as you can give me true 1080p and 60fps on all games.
So then you aren't perfectly fine with last gen graphics.
That's more of a processing thing, so it doesn't take up huge amounts of space, unlike increasing the complexity of the models and textures. I think that's what he was referring to...?
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AlphaOmega786 3 hours ago#36
0ofreako0 posted...
AlphaOmega786 posted...
The file size is of no issue to me, I mostly buy physical anyway and my download speeds are insane.

Except even physical games have to be installed. physical and download speeds mean nothing. that doesn't change the fact that every game has to be installed and they are huge.


Yes, I know that. That wasn't my point. 

It seems I wasn't clear with my previous comments. I mentioned physical discs and insane download speeds in the sense that despite very large file sizes, the speed of the installation is very quick for those that have great internet or buy physical. So, I'm cool with games being as large as they can get, if it means better visuals. 

As for actual storage space on the hard drive itself, well both the Xbox One and PS4 can support at least 2TB internally and at least 8TB externally, as I mentioned in one of my other posts above. That's about 180 total games, at 50GB each.

So, space isn't exactly an issue either.
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TrickyPony 3 hours ago#37
The size of a game means very little to me. Maybe because I don't have a data cap but it seems like a non-issue.
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Balzak74 3 hours ago#38
Yes.
Personally i feel they were. This is one reason i have no intrest in the x1x or PS Pro. The fact that the mid gen upgrades, offer better visuals does not make the original x1 or ps4 unplayable.

this is just my opinion, if you differently that's cool too.

Yes i am aware these x1x and ps4, do offer more then just better graphics.
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Balzak74 3 hours ago#39
Sorry , realised i kind of ignored the question.
my 360 and ps3 are still hooked up.
My 360 is one of the original pro models with 13 gigs of available hardrive space and no HDMI.
Yes going last gen, to current gen the graphic jump is noticeable, but i don't think, the older systems are unplayable.
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BigOW 3 hours ago#40
Maybe tc has crt tv
Jiggy101011 3 hours ago#41
BlanketPI posted...
Jiggy101011 posted...
ChubbierTube posted...
I'm perfectly fine with last gen graphics as long as you can give me true 1080p and 60fps on all games.
So then you aren't perfectly fine with last gen graphics.
That's more of a processing thing, so it doesn't take up huge amounts of space, unlike increasing the complexity of the models and textures. I think that's what he was referring to...?


I took it as he would be ok with playing on last gen consoles just as long as every game was 1080p and 60fps and that wasn't doable with the tech that was inside of those machines.
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Jiggy101011 3 hours ago#42
Balzak74 posted...
Sorry , realised i kind of ignored the question.
my 360 and ps3 are still hooked up.
My 360 is one of the original pro models with 13 gigs of available hardrive space and no HDMI.
Yes going last gen, to current gen the graphic jump is noticeable, but i don't think, the older systems are unplayable.


It also depends on the games. Like Halo 4 and GTA V look really good and have smooth gameplay for the most part. But those launch games and titles from the first 3-4 years look dated IMO.
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Gunvalkyrie2 1 minute ago#43
Jiggy101011 posted...
As someone that still has their 360 hooked up and plays old games on it you can noticeably tell the difference between a 360 game and an Xbox One game. A game like Batman Arkham Knight I don't believe could have been done on the old hardware. Anytime the batmobile would change I think it would cause the old systems to chug and that is just one game.

In my opinion TC invest in a 1TB HDD.


I have a 2tb - not even remotely the point. I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE for sure but for the size of these game i dont find the upgrade THAT big of a jump and managing these ginormous games is another expense (hdd).
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