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Composite at least. Jesus man this looks like someone ate fruit loops and threw up on my tv.
This is my first genesis ever and I didn't know it was this bad. I have a Sony crt tv and a genesis model 2 someone gave me. Compared to my Snes mini hooked up via composite it looks like gameboy original to a bluray. So I'm thinking of buying a genesis modded for svideo which my Sony supports. Does the genesis output decent s video? |
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Don't bother with the mod. The genesis is capable of RGB output which you can feed through the framemeister to HDMI. Some model 2 Genesis units don't have RGB output though. Open the unit with a cross-head screwdriver. Is there extra space inside the casing?
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noidentity posted...
Don't bother with the mod. The genesis is capable of RGB output which you can feed through the framemeister to HDMI. Some model 2 Genesis units don't have RGB output though. Open the unit with a cross-head screwdriver. Is there extra space inside the casing? But I don't want to deal with expensive framemeister and rgb. I have all my retro consoles hooked up to this Sony tv via s video. My nes and Snes are hooked up this way and look great. I'm happy with the genesis being this way too but wanted to know if it would look good or will it be similar to the puke component. When I opened it up the whole space was taken up with the board and metal casing. |
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Kobeskillz posted...
noidentity posted...Don't bother with the mod. The genesis is capable of RGB output which you can feed through the framemeister to HDMI. Some model 2 Genesis units don't have RGB output though. Open the unit with a cross-head screwdriver. Is there extra space inside the casing? Genesis composite video, or "the yellow wire", is known to be poor quality. Even for its time considering PC Engine launched in Japan a year before it. To be fair, Genesis was built atop the Master System architecture. framemeister is for HDTVs and only outputs HDMI. If you are indeed using a SDTV, the options are different. Much cheaper and less complex.
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Lum_Yatsura posted...
Kobeskillz posted...noidentity posted...Don't bother with the mod. The genesis is capable of RGB output which you can feed through the framemeister to HDMI. Some model 2 Genesis units don't have RGB output though. Open the unit with a cross-head screwdriver. Is there extra space inside the casing? Yeah I'm using sdtv. It doesn't have component. Only composite and svideo. The svideo looks awesome on everything else I have. Sure it's not component but I'm happy. The snes composite isn't svideo but looks nice too. But the genesis. Oh boy. One thing is poor composite and another thing is down right embarrassing. I mean is bad even for early 90s. No joke my nes rf looks better. lol. So the question is does the genesis have a good svideo and is it worth getting a modded console? I don't want to pay for a modded genesis only to look like crap still. |
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Genesis has rgb outputs, no svideo without modding. But it doesn't necessarily need to be modded.
The rgb video is accessible externally to use or adapt as you please. snes is a bit different. it has better composite than genesis. while at the same time, its video has just enough of a slight blur to make rgb not as sharp as genesis can theoretically get.
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Lum_Yatsura posted...
Genesis has rgb outputs, no svideo without modding. But it doesn't necessarily need to be modded. 10/4 Let's forget about rgb and framemiesters and all that jazz. How's the svideo? Does it look nice or will it look like crap like composite but just a little nicer crap. I understand svideo isn't as nice as component and rgb but again on my other systems like nes and Snes I'm perfectly happy with the sharp picture and is easy to plug into my tv. Does the genesis have a nice svideo picture when modded? |
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I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision.
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noidentity posted...
I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision. I appreciate the help but I don't want to replace my tv just for the genesis. I know that with component I can get a better picture out of my other systems but i have my set up already with my Sony crt using svideo for everything and I'm coo with that. I don't want to change everything. I just wanted to know if a modded genesis for svideo has a good picture or will it still be god awful. Is this just that the genesis has a bad bad composite video or does this extend to svideo as well? I know rgb is great on it but I'm interested in svideo cause that's why my hook ups are for. I don't care if I pay for a modded one. |
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Different revisions of Genesis, as with sound, have varying video quality. Banding is an issue with some, and some are blurrier than others, some sharper, some spottier, etc.
Sega-16, iirc, had some comparisons between both sound and video of the various models of Genesis, as well as mods for S-Video compared to stock composite. S-Video mods tend to sharpen the picture considerably, at the cost of having more lines and dots visible in areas of games where the natural blurring was used for effect (the lights in Streets of Rage 2, waterfalls in the Sonic games). |
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Just for an example, I'll show you what external might look like.
I know this one is in the UK and expensive. https://www.keene.co.uk/keene-rgb-to-s-video-convertor-worldwide-psu.html There are practical benefits to it. 1: more consistent quality between Genesis versions 2: it'll work for both 32X games and Master System games* 3: easy to plug other consoles into. Neo Geo also outputs RGB but not svideo. *normally, SMS games can't be played with a 32X attached. which would mean you'd have to separately svideo mod the Genesis AND the 32X.
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Kobeskillz posted...
For the love of god. I do not want component. I don't want to change my stuff. Certain types of genesis svideo mods are different depending on the model. Installing a discrete encoder chip is an option too. The ntsc model 1 snes is easy. Officially supported svideo, 1st party cables were sold by Nintendo. (pal snes changed the svideo circuit to use different cables. but I'm in the US) snes jr does need a small mod.
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Kobeskillz posted...
noidentity posted...I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision. Um, component is actually a nice signal. Really nice. |
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Kobeskillz posted...
noidentity posted...I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision. Genesis S-Video mods are not as common as SNES S-Video because, at least for the original SNES, all that's needed for the latter is the appropriate cable (no mod necessary). As I stated, look into the Sega-16 boards. They have, iirc, various users with the s-video mod for a plethora of the revisions, and a write-up of how the mod is done for the various revisions. Again, keep in mind that there are revisions for each model, so your model 2 is not the same as other model 2 revisions that are available. |
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Turning up the sharpness on your TV should help make the composite signal look better. I know since that is what I do if I'm stuck with a composite source and it looks much better on my end.
I noticed that older TVs (made in the 80s/90s) don't look blurry with RF and composite signals, but it could be me. I also had a Sega Model 1 if that made a difference. I never had an issue with blurriness, maybe because of the console and TV I had then. I also was using an RF adapter too. |
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spiffyone posted...
Kobeskillz posted...noidentity posted...I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision. Yeah I had my Snes mini modded for svideo and Jesus you can cut glass with the picture. I know this seeems weird. It the composite on my Snes mini looks just as sharp as the svideo on my regular Snes. It's crazy. I'm willing to buy the genesis svideo modded console but just wanted some feedback on the quality. Looks like the crazy revisions make it hard to get a good answer. I'll just get one and roll the dice. As it stands I cannot enjoy my genesis hooked up to composite. Is insane how bad it looks. It honestly looks worst than rf on my nes. How is this even possible. |
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Lum_Yatsura posted...
Snake_Oil posted...Framemeister is a skam! >: P Don't pay him any attention. He's been reposting this troll comment for a couple weeks now. |
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I've always found that Genesis, like NES, benefited from RF. The Genesis has quite a lot of hard edged pixels and the warm hazy blur really makes it less hostile on the eyes, things just blend more and the music benefits from the softer sound as well, considering that the Genesis' sound chip is more gritty and sharp than likely any other console's chip.
Much like the grittier PS1 visuals often look more friendly on a softened RF signal, compared to the N64 which is already naturally smooth and looks better with more clear detail via component or the like and it suffers when subject to RF. |
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manmouse posted...
I've always found that Genesis, like NES, benefited from RF. The Genesis has quite a lot of hard edged pixels and the warm hazy blur really makes it less hostile on the eyes, things just blend more and the music benefits from the softer sound as well, considering that the Genesis' sound chip is more gritty and sharp than likely any other console's chip. It depends on the game. Play Burning Force on a model 1 without TMSS over RGB on a CRT SDTV, then return with your impressions.
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I have genesis games on my Wii and I can play them 240p on my Sony CRT And they look absolutely gorgeous. The Genesis looks great with the proper set up but the Genesis with composite looks as bad as anything ive ever seen.
Now sure I probably got one of the bad revisions but man if I had seen this picture back in the day and compared it to an SNES I would have returned the Genesis in a heartbeat. This picture isn't even acceptable for early 90's. I might just buy more games on my Wii but they don't have Contra and Castlevania which I want but no way will i play it on the puke composite of the Genesis. |
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Lum_Yatsura posted...
manmouse posted...I've always found that Genesis, like NES, benefited from RF. The Genesis has quite a lot of hard edged pixels and the warm hazy blur really makes it less hostile on the eyes, things just blend more and the music benefits from the softer sound as well, considering that the Genesis' sound chip is more gritty and sharp than likely any other console's chip. Why does it matter whether the console has TMSS or not? What does that have to do with video and audio reproduction? |
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