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Not that I'm worried about getting banned. I don't cheat, exploit or anything like that and when I'm playing online I treat everyone decently, but I have seen people claim numerous times that if a account is banned it loses access to all of the games that were digitally purchased. I don't really understand how this could be the case. I've got crap internet here and over the last couple of summers it has been on and off all the time. I've spent a lot of this downtime playing digital games on my PS4. If I can play digital games with absolutely no connection to the internet how could being banned effect me?
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NicoGrimm posted...
Don't get banned. Problem solved. That's easy enough, like I said, I don't cheat, gameshare abuse other players or do any other idiotic things, I have seen plenty of people using this as a point when arguing against digital purchases.
Love conquers everything ... except knives, swords, axes, guns, spears, fists, rocks, strong gusts of wind, and/or dangerous wild animals.
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I think it's a moot point in an argument. If you get banned that's on you. A lot of people do digital only and do not get banned. 75% or more of my PS4 collection is digital and I don't do anything to get myself banned.
Damn, you are adorable. Did you pick that gun because it looks cool? You totally did, right? I ain't gonna lie. You scare the s*** out of me.
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I seriously do not understand why you guys really approve of this. Getting banned for cheating yes totally agree upon but losing the game that you paid for??? That's completely something else.
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EvilStabber posted...
I seriously do not understand why you guys really approve of this. Getting banned for cheating yes totally agree upon but losing the game that you paid for??? That's completely something else. I didnt say i approved people losing their games.
Damn, you are adorable. Did you pick that gun because it looks cool? You totally did, right? I ain't gonna lie. You scare the s*** out of me.
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EvilStabber posted...
I seriously do not understand why you guys really approve of this. Getting banned for cheating yes totally agree upon but losing the game that you paid for??? That's completely something else. I agree with this as well. Seems kind of assy thing to do.
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Chucky86 posted...
EvilStabber posted...I seriously do not understand why you guys really approve of this. Getting banned for cheating yes totally agree upon but losing the game that you paid for??? That's completely something else. Yes I know you didn't, I wasn't referring to you, but I've seen people on this board that completely say "yes" u should lose your game, that's insane and the punishment does not fit the crime.
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EvilStabber posted...
Chucky86 posted...EvilStabber posted...I seriously do not understand why you guys really approve of this. Getting banned for cheating yes totally agree upon but losing the game that you paid for??? That's completely something else. Agreed. Just wanted to clear the air as some like to twist words and make it seem like that's what was being said around here.
Damn, you are adorable. Did you pick that gun because it looks cool? You totally did, right? I ain't gonna lie. You scare the s*** out of me.
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i love this myth that if you don't do anything you have nothing to worry about. that's not the case. unjust bans do happen on psn and xbox, mostly xbox, def mostly xbox. They make it too easy to report people for doing nothing on xbox then you get people who spend a total of 3 seconds reviewing reports banning people left and right.
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VeryDarkSoul posted...
i love this myth that if you don't do anything you have nothing to worry about. that's not the case. unjust bans do happen on psn and xbox, mostly xbox, def mostly xbox. They make it too easy to report people for doing nothing on xbox then you get people who spend a total of 3 seconds reviewing reports banning people left and right. My account is almost 8 years old and I still have it. Unjust bans can happen but I have also seen them overturned as well.
Damn, you are adorable. Did you pick that gun because it looks cool? You totally did, right? I ain't gonna lie. You scare the s*** out of me.
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Instead of racing in here to defend extremely anti-consumer corporate policy, maybe more of you could actually respond to TC's question.
Ultimaspirit posted... As far as your actual question, if you get banned while offline...somehow...just don't reconnect your console. They'll put a lock on it. If he gets banned while he's not online (because of something he did when he was online), while he remains offline, he has access to all his digital games. (Reminder: TC is saying he can play digital games just fine not connected to the internet at all right now.) But you're saying if he reconnects *after* the ban, Sony will somehow "put a lock" on the console? This lock will persist after he subsequently disconnects? This doesn't sound right. |
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NicoGrimm posted...
Don't get banned. Problem solved.
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Even if you get banned you're digitally copy games are still yours. You have the rights to the game not anyone else. Sure you can be forbidden from playing online with other players in multiplayer games but that's totally different.
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KinjoTakemura posted...
Getting banned and losing all of your games is a pretty compelling reason not to go all digital huh? its very hard to get banned though.... unless being verbally abusive all the time and swearing/cursing. even then its just a time penalty from the online network.
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KinjoTakemura posted...
Getting banned and losing all of your games is a pretty compelling reason not to go all digital huh? Yeah. If you're breaking the eula and doing things that can result in bans, you shouldn't go all-digital. Otherwise it's a moot point.
I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
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I'm all for bullies, cheaters, scammers ect being purged from online play, but I do agree that locking games that they bought and paid for is too far.
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Compass posted...
Instead of racing in here to defend extremely anti-consumer corporate policy, maybe more of you could actually respond to TC's question. finally someone that understood tc's question. I don't know how they would ban you with no net, but I know that if you have ps+ games on your system and try to keep them by staying offline, they'll eventually be locked because it works with the playstations clock. you also can't cheese it like you could the ps2.
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TheCuddlyKnife posted...
Compass posted...Instead of racing in here to defend extremely anti-consumer corporate policy, maybe more of you could actually respond to TC's question. First off I may be wrong here but I think people are misunderstanding the ban. Games on the main console have no way of being locked out cause there is no check. However if it is a sub account then yes you will be locked out. And you will be locked out of redownloading them as you can not get on the ps store. However the games currently on your system should work fine regardless except for any online multiplayer options. And of course if its an mmo or a purely online game. |
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HeWhoCorrupts posted...
Don't be a dumbass and you have nothing to worry about. That doesn't always work... I got a few psn bans not account bans because I was downloading things too much from psn on 2 different ps4s they assumed I was Ddosing them had to changed my IP address like 4 times |
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Faiyez posted...
Because cheaters and harassers lose their games? Says the guy that needs to find a better argument. Banning you from a games multiplayer functions or from sending messages is one thing, those are fair punishments. Taking away every game, DLC and anything else you potentially spent several hundred dollars on? Yeah sorry but that's not a fair punishment at all, that's like getting shoved into the electric chair because you shoplifted a fifty cent candy bar. You wouldn't be singing praise about this bulls*** if you were to get banned for something you shouldn't have been banned for, which does happen.
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riddlebox89 posted...
Yeah sorry but that's not a fair punishment at all, that's like getting shoved into the electric chair because you shoplifted a fifty cent candy bar. Not even close. Cheaters are lowlives and scum and if you're stupid enough to harass/abuse people on your primary account, you have it coming for you. Get wrecked. riddlebox89 posted... You wouldn't be singing praise about this bulls*** if you were to get banned for something you shouldn't have been banned for, which does happen. You can contest an unfair ban and get your account back.
I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
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kirbyhoakage posted...
This is why digital is stupid as hell. you dont own anything. Legally speaking, you don't own your physical games either
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PsychoWolfX posted...
If I can play digital games with absolutely no connection to the internet how could being banned effect me? You actually can't play digital games with "absolutely no connection." You don't need a constant connection, but the system needs to verify the license, which happens every so often. I don't recall how often (could be days or even weeks), but it still checks. Hence why when your account is banned, you lose access to those digital games. |
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Chucky86 posted...
I think it's a moot point in an argument. If you get banned that's on you. A lot of people do digital only and do not get banned. 75% or more of my PS4 collection is digital and I don't do anything to get myself banned. This. I'm definitely physical > digital guy, but this is never a reason I'd give for that.
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Faiyez posted...
Not even close. Cheaters are lowlives and scum and if you're stupid enough to harass/abuse people on your primary account, you have it coming for you. Cheaters are only lowlife scumbags to people that take online gaming far too seriously for it to be considered healthy. Cheating in an online game hurts no one and should not warrant the same punishment as harassment. Sure you can, but that doesn't mean you will. Sailor Goon posted... Legally speaking, you don't own your physical games either I can sell it, trade it, give it away, smash the disc to pieces, make backup copies of it, rip the data and make an entirely new game out of it. Essentially I can do whatever the hell I want with it and the only time anyone will give a s*** about it is if I were to try and sell the backup copies I make. If that's not owning something, then you don't actually own anything in your life.
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That is outrageous if true. I wonder how a policy like that can even be legal. Ban them for messing with a online service they provide and not allow them to play online again for some time, sure, but you can't take away stuff people paid for, it's not theirs to take.
But yeah, legal and ethical are two different things nowadays.
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SnakePlisken94 posted...
If you get vac banned steam doesn't lock you out of your games. Cheating on PC is as easy as using someone else's script. Cheating on console really requires going out of your way in order to do it. Online cheaters are precisely one of the arguments made in favor of consoles over PC. What Steam does about its users is hardly comparable to Sony's own policy.
I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
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Faiyez posted...
SnakePlisken94 posted...If you get vac banned steam doesn't lock you out of your games. Actually yeah it is comparable, cheating in an online game is cheating in an online game regardless of how it's done or what platform it's done on. The main difference however is that Steam's punishment for it is fair and Sony's punishment goes completely overboard.
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riddlebox89 posted...
Actually yeah it is comparable, cheating in an online game is cheating in an online game regardless of how it's done or what platform it's done on. Still an opinion. This is the result of differences in approach: Sony is doing what is needed to deter cheaters, while they are rampant on PC.
I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
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Rhinomaster22 posted...Even if you get banned you're digitally copy games are still yours. You have the rights to the game not anyone else. Sure you can be forbidden from playing online with other players in multiplayer games but that's totally different.
If I can't play the games I bought then you should get a refund.
Except digital copies aren't yours. All you're granted is the license. If you're banned, and the ban includes the termination of licenses, then yes your games are gone. There have been plenty of games from last gen I was never refunded for, but the license was removed due to their contract expiring or what have you. You ought to look at the fine print before purchasing another digital game and take note of what it says.
Only a physical disc grants you consumer rights, despite it being just the license to play it. You have no rights with digital.Switch - PS4 - Wii U - PS3 - 3DS - GameCube - Xbox One.
X1X is the ultimate form of compensation for an embarrassed company and community.Ultimaspirit posted...As far as your actual question, if you get banned while offline...somehow...just don't reconnect your console. They'll put a lock on it.
Yeah, do not connect. I know a local idiot that was banned. He had his home console offline most of the time and played on the non-home. All the games he had were tied up once he got banned on that account but he could play them on the home console. Then he let the console go online with another account and his stuff got hit and he could no longer play.G_U_G posted...Ultimaspirit posted...
As far as your actual question, if you get banned while offline...somehow...just don't reconnect your console. They'll put a lock on it.
Yeah, do not connect. I know a local idiot that was banned. He had his home console offline most of the time and played on the non-home. All the games he had were tied up once he got banned on that account but he could play them on the home console. Then he let the console go online with another account and his stuff got hit and he could no longer play.
How are any of you okay with this? Not the fanboys of course who will take anything and everything in the ass with a smile, but the rest of you? Especially when we know how fallible Sony are and that bans can happen with no wrongdoing by the user.
This is one of the strongest arguments to never go all digital on console.EvilStabber posted...I seriously do not understand why you guys really approve of this. Getting banned for cheating yes totally agree upon but losing the game that you paid for??? That's completely something else.
Gfaqs is full of hate full trolls that wish anyone worse case and smile, laughs and shout he deserves itPSN:yahyano1knightimex posted...Even Xbox doesn't block you out of your digital games you paid for.
You can at least play the console offline.
Maybe you're referring to PS Plus games?
Wrong, if your gamertag get banned, you lose the license on xbox as well.
Seriously, it's apparently very hard to get permanently banned on both PSN and Xbox Live anyway. You'd need to be a repeated offender and constantly break the rules to get a permanent ban.
Don't cheat and don't even speak to people, you definitely will never be banned ever. First thing I did when I got the PS4 is set up my privacy settings so only friends can send me messages and no one can send me friend requests. I only have 4 friends and they're real life friends, so I never message them there, so there is zero risk of being banned.
Random people can sometime send you hateful messages that makes it really hard not to lose your cool and send them a hateful reply or insults back, so if they can't message you, they can't make you lose it.Trying to contain the chaos is futile.Sailor Goon posted...kirbyhoakage posted...
This is why digital is stupid as hell. you dont own anything.
Legally speaking, you don't own your physical games either
I hate this typical, weak ass reply that digital apologists always say. We all know, for a fact, that you can do WAY more with a physical copy than just licensing and downloading some information over the internet. Can't we all just be grown-ups and stop pretending this isn't the case?
digital library = no libraryThere needs to be anabolic steroid law reform. Bodybuilding is NOT a criminal activity.When you buy a game digitally read the damn TOS long story short it says
That you are getting a license that can be revoked at any timeVN's that need to be ported to consoles
https://imgur.com/a/f4zavSo many corporate apologists in threads like these; it's absolutely disgusting. I'm really glad that 99% of my gaming library is physical, and before anyone says anything; I plan on quitting modern gaming once everything goes digital, so don't bother bringing it up. I have a backlog that's big enough to last me for the rest of my life, so it's not a big deal."May the lord smile and the Devil have mercy."medmuscle posted...Sailor Goon posted...
kirbyhoakage posted...
This is why digital is stupid as hell. you dont own anything.
Legally speaking, you don't own your physical games either
I hate this typical, weak ass reply that digital apologists always say. We all know, for a fact, that you can do WAY more with a physical copy than just licensing and downloading some information over the internet. Can't we all just be grown-ups and stop pretending this isn't the case?
digital library = no library
That was goon. Everybody ignored that comment for a reason.The problem is you can get unjustly banned. If a bunch of people report you because they don't like you for example you beat them in Street Fighter they report you for bad language even though you did nothing of the sort. But then you keep getting reported every time you beat someone they just perma ban you because a bunch of people reported you because they were salty they lost a game to you.EvilStabber posted...I seriously do not understand why you guys really approve of this. Getting banned for cheating yes totally agree upon but losing the game that you paid for??? That's completely something else.
I agree. Being banned should not in any way prevent you from playing games you PAID for. It's absolute lunacy you people would be fine with that.Games owned/will own: Marvel Heroes Omega, Mortal Kombat X, Bloodborne / Marvel vs Capcom Infinite etc.
PSN ID: JudgementEdenFaiyez posted...Still an opinion. This is the result of differences in approach: Sony is doing what is needed to deter cheaters, while they are rampant on PC.
No, you believing it's a fair punishment is an opinion, it being an unfair punishment is a fact, a difference you are clearly not able to understand.
No, the way Sony handles this deters people from buying their products in the future, not to mention the fact that doing things this way makes people less accepting of gaming consoles going all digital.
Really, I'm glad you're too incompetent to be a cop, they get enough s*** as it is, hell I can already see the news reports. "Maniac cop shoots 12 year old boy dead for shoplifting a fifty cent candy bar because "All crimes are equal!" Tonight at 11."I am a dedicated member of the "Walter Sullivan Is Bad-Ass" group!!!
I am the true originator of the Cookie Demon theory on the SH2 and 3 boards.X-Maverick posted...EvilStabber posted...
I seriously do not understand why you guys really approve of this. Getting banned for cheating yes totally agree upon but losing the game that you paid for??? That's completely something else.
I agree. Being banned should not in any way prevent you from playing games you PAID for. It's absolute lunacy you people would be fine with that.
Which is why you read the TOS that appears before you buy a game on psn and you agree to it when you lay for the gameVN's that need to be ported to consoles
https://imgur.com/a/f4zavYes, you lose everything associated with your account. Got an account banned years ago with tons of psn games purchased and more then a year of ps plus left on it. One of the main reasons I don't subscribe to plus anymore, it can all go away in an instant. I'm not blameless, but it was a big enough hit to say never again. If I remember correctly they pretty much destroy your save files too.Steam- SonofClap | PSN - AstrayDream | XBL - AstrayRED JG | 3570K - GTX 1080Titrapking posted...i don't think you should lose access to your games if you get banned
but i do think you deserve some form of punishment for getting banned, because whatever you did to get banned is NOT COOL
Getting banned is enough punishment.
Losing access to your purchased games is total bulls***.kobalobasileus posted...tripZ504 posted...
Anything tied to that account will be locked out. Same way every account online works.
AFAIK, when Steam VAC bans you, you don't lose access to your whole library.
Maybe. But steam is a lot more active on that front. Sony just kinda wipes it under the rug.riddlebox89 posted...Faiyez posted...
Still an opinion. This is the result of differences in approach: Sony is doing what is needed to deter cheaters, while they are rampant on PC.
No, you believing it's a fair punishment is an opinion, it being an unfair punishment is a fact,
Still an opinion.I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
-GlowStormLion on Japan's kinks.EvilStabber posted...Chucky86 posted...
EvilStabber posted...
I seriously do not understand why you guys really approve of this. Getting banned for cheating yes totally agree upon but losing the game that you paid for??? That's completely something else.
I didnt say i approved people losing their games.
Yes I know you didn't, I wasn't referring to you, but I've seen people on this board that completely say "yes" u should lose your game, that's insane and the punishment does not fit the crime.
I agree, I have tons of games in my download history across PS3, PS4 and Vita and I couldn't imagine having all that money go to waste.I don't give a damn how many mushrooms I can find, how many meals I can cook and how many mountains I can climb in Breath of the Wild if the dungeons are trash.As far as I know, this can be a law suit if enough people who are banned file.
No matter how dick yo are online, you are banned from PSN access, but company taking your money then booting you off is total bs no matter what legal crap you throw at me
This is why I never have an active online account among other reasonsPSN:yahyano1It's easier than some people think to get an account banned.
Let's say your account got hacked and you didn't have two-step verification turned on. You learn your lesson, you turn on two-step and get in touch with Sony's support to get the charges disputed. They give you the runaround and say "well, we can't do that, sorry." Next logical step is contacting your bank, right?
Nope, you do that and they deny the charges, ban. No question, no argument, you get banned.
So.... yeah, kinda f***ed up. Obviously you shouldn't get hacked in the first place, should have a more secure password, and should use TFA, but some people are stubborn like that. However, Sony should also see that you connected from what is obviously a new system or computer you never connected from before and should revoke the licenses and give you your cash back. Like most big companies, though, they'll fight you on it. I'm pretty sure if someone had this scenario unfold before them and took them to court, they'd likely win - that is, after Sony buries them in paperwork and protracts the case so long the guy fighting can't afford to fight any more, and they're still sitting pretty.Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!GigaGaia posted...Seriously, it's apparently very hard to get permanently banned on both PSN and Xbox Live anyway. You'd need to be a repeated offender and constantly break the rules to get a permanent ban.
This topic flopped hard, and the no-digital crowd is pathetic, as per usual.
Acting like Sony is going to revoke your entire library for a single misstep, get real.I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
-GlowStormLion on Japan's kinks.Faiyez posted...GigaGaia posted...
Seriously, it's apparently very hard to get permanently banned on both PSN and Xbox Live anyway. You'd need to be a repeated offender and constantly break the rules to get a permanent ban.
This topic flopped hard, and the no-digital crowd is pathetic, as per usual.
Acting like Sony is going to revoke your entire library for a single misstep, get real.
I posted a way Sony could ban someone for a "single misstep." Granted, it'd be a bit of an extreme example, but how often do you hear about people getting their accounts hacked every day? Frequently enough that someone could find themselves in that situation.Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!theshoveller posted...So.... yeah, kinda f***ed up. Obviously you shouldn't get hacked in the first place, should have a more secure password, and should use TFA, but some people are stubborn like that.
If you choose not to secure your account, and you're STILL having a payment method saved on the file... I don't even know what to say.
Rightfully banned in your scenario. Read the Eula next time.I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
-GlowStormLion on Japan's kinks.theshoveller posted...Faiyez posted...
GigaGaia posted...
Seriously, it's apparently very hard to get permanently banned on both PSN and Xbox Live anyway. You'd need to be a repeated offender and constantly break the rules to get a permanent ban.
This topic flopped hard, and the no-digital crowd is pathetic, as per usual.
Acting like Sony is going to revoke your entire library for a single misstep, get real.
I posted a way Sony could ban someone for a "single misstep." Granted, it'd be a bit of an extreme example, but how often do you hear about people getting their accounts hacked every day? Frequently enough that someone could find themselves in that situation.
Perma banned or not, you won't lose access to any games unless they require PS+."It's like people using the internet have never heard of the internet." - SadHillShowdown Gamefaqs memberFaiyez posted...theshoveller posted...
So.... yeah, kinda f***ed up. Obviously you shouldn't get hacked in the first place, should have a more secure password, and should use TFA, but some people are stubborn like that.
If you choose not to secure your account, and you're STILL having a payment method saved on the file... I don't even know what to say.
Rightfully banned in your scenario. Read the Eula next time.
No, not rightfully banned. They did not authorize the money spent, Sony would not refund them, so they contacted the bank. Sony should not revoke all their licenses at that point - at best, they should revoke the charges disputed and maybe prevent the account from buying anything else.
dueric posted...Perma banned or not, you won't lose access to any games unless they require PS+.
If they're digital, the licenses get revoked. No licenses means no ability to play said game as you aren't licenses to play it. Online or offline, if the license says "Nope, not valid" you aren't playing that game, simple as that.Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!theshoveller posted...Faiyez posted...
theshoveller posted...
So.... yeah, kinda f***ed up. Obviously you shouldn't get hacked in the first place, should have a more secure password, and should use TFA, but some people are stubborn like that.
If you choose not to secure your account, and you're STILL having a payment method saved on the file... I don't even know what to say.
Rightfully banned in your scenario. Read the Eula next time.
No, not rightfully banned. They did not authorize the money spent, Sony would not refund them, so they contacted the bank. Sony should not revoke all their licenses at that point - at best, they should revoke the charges disputed and maybe prevent the account from buying anything else.
dueric posted...Perma banned or not, you won't lose access to any games unless they require PS+.
If they're digital, the licenses get revoked. No licenses means no ability to play said game as you aren't licenses to play it. Online or offline, if the license says "Nope, not valid" you aren't playing that game, simple as that.
Licenses don't get revoked. LOL"It's like people using the internet have never heard of the internet." - SadHillShowdown Gamefaqs memberdueric posted...Licenses don't get revoked. LOL
Right, so Sony lies about it on their page, then?
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/get-help/help-library/my-account/grief-reporting/banned-and-suspended-consoles-and-accounts/What happens to content I have purchased and my subscriptions if my account or console is banned?
If your account has been banned you no longer have access to content you have purchased, any subscriptions, or any trophies you have earned. You will not receive refunds for any content or subscriptions that are active at the time of the ban. This is in line with the SEN Terms of Service.
If your console has been banned you will be able to access your account, content and subscription services from another system, provided your account has not also been banned.
Now, tell me in there where "you won't have access to content you purchased" somehow translates to "you will have access to content you purchased?"Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!theshoveller posted...dueric posted...
Licenses don't get revoked. LOL
Right, so Sony lies about it on their page, then?
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/get-help/help-library/my-account/grief-reporting/banned-and-suspended-consoles-and-accounts/What happens to content I have purchased and my subscriptions if my account or console is banned?
If your account has been banned you no longer have access to content you have purchased, any subscriptions, or any trophies you have earned. You will not receive refunds for any content or subscriptions that are active at the time of the ban. This is in line with the SEN Terms of Service.
If your console has been banned you will be able to access your account, content and subscription services from another system, provided your account has not also been banned.
Now, tell me in there where "you won't have access to content you purchased" somehow translates to "you will have access to content you purchased?""It's like people using the internet have never heard of the internet." - SadHillShowdown Gamefaqs memberif you get banned you wont have access to your digital games(not really sure about this but hummokay lets take it as a fact). if your house caught on fire and everything burns you wont have access to your physical games anymore. digital or physical, there's always a way to lose access to your games. And I,m pretty sure you have more chance to f*** up your physical gmaes than getting banned from the psn unless you an ass.
physical-only people just like to pretend digital sucks.theshoveller posted...
No, not rightfully banned. They did not authorize the money spent
Wrong. They did authorize the purchases.
In your scenario, the same account is making the purchase. You allowed someone else to log in and spend your money. Therefore you should not be disputing any charges.I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
-GlowStormLion on Japan's kinks.Ghostthruster posted...HeWhoCorrupts posted...
Don't be a dumbass and you have nothing to worry about.
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Its not always about being a dumbass. My account recently got banned because there were attempts to access it from another country. I contacted them, provided security info and they unbannes. Just FYI
That's actually a proper response, banks do something similar... better to lock/ban an account than let the account user's cards getting used and abused.Consoles: PS2 - PS3 - 360(RIP) - PS4 Handhelds: PSVita
PC: Ryzen 1600, ASUS Prime X370-Pro, ROG STRIX-RX480-8G, 16 Gigs RamFaiyez posted...theshoveller posted...
No, not rightfully banned. They did not authorize the money spent
Wrong. They did authorize the purchases.
In your scenario, the same account is making the purchase. You allowed someone else to log in and spend your money. Therefore you should not be disputing any charges.
Except the person contacted Sony support and explained the situation - and a check on Sony's end verifies that IP address XXXXXXX, which has never logged into that account before, or that Sony console YYYYYYY, which again has never logged into that account before, was used to purchase the games / content.
It's kind of like a digital signature of sorts. Sure, the signature says your name, but it's obviously not written in your handwriting, and the guy who handed the cashier the card looks completely different. If Sony doesn't approve of that, contacting the bank is the next logical step - and that would get you banned, like I said. And, also like I said, if you fought it in court you'd win the case - that is, assuming you have the money for a protracted battle with Sony's lawyers. It's a lose for the customer in either case - they fight until they have no money, or they accept a settlement to restore their account and wind up being unable to pay their own lawyer for the time spent on the case.Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!On paper it sounds reasonable that Sony support would accomodate, but...
For instance, r/PS4 was getting multiple posts a day about user's accounts being hacked. I think those threads all get nuked now.
Can you imagine how many cases they'd have to deal with on a daily basis? All because of people getting phished/not using 2FA?
And then we have the slimeballs trying to take advantage and defraud Sony.
We should consider what their history supporting customers is that has prompted their current policies.I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
-GlowStormLion on Japan's kinks.pentagramknight posted...So many corporate apologists
American website.Want to cure diseases with your spare computing power?
http://folding.stanford.edu/Faiyez posted...yahya_no_1 posted...
This is why I never have an active online account among other reasons
Do you wear different tinfoil for each day of the week, or just that one?
You use one account to buy with, another to play, simple as that, what sure what you going on about, for me I don't even play online so don't care, but I still be pissed of ppl think someone paying Sony 1k of games only to be told you can't access them again no matter how horrible person you atePSN:yahyano1Hang on, wouldn't you only lose the games you got for free with PS Plus? I don't see why you would lose the games you bought digitally if you were banned. When you buy a game you're actually buying the license which gives you legal ownership of a copy of the game and you don't lose that just because you were banned.XxAxem_BlackxX posted...Hang on, wouldn't you only lose the games you got for free with PS Plus? I don't see why you would lose the games you bought digitally if you were banned. When you buy a game you're actually buying the license which gives you legal ownership of a copy of the game and you don't lose that just because you were banned.
People are misinterpreting what Sony says about banned accounts.
Somehow, they believe one would lose access to their digital games, but not their physical ones"It's like people using the internet have never heard of the internet." - SadHillShowdown Gamefaqs memberXxAxem_BlackxX posted...Hang on, wouldn't you only lose the games you got for free with PS Plus? I don't see why you would lose the games you bought digitally if you were banned. When you buy a game you're actually buying the license which gives you legal ownership of a copy of the game and you don't lose that just because you were banned.
They retain the right to revoke your licenses in their ToS. That's why I linked specifically that question and answer from their FAQ on it.
Basically, they ban you from their service lock, stock, and barrel. And part of that is a verification that you are indeed the owner of said game's license. Not being able to check means assumption you don't own it, thus you don't have access to it anymore.
It's... pretty s***ty from a consumer standpoint. And while the old adage of "don't do anything stupid and you'll be fine" works for probably 99% of situations, there's always that outlier 1% that get hit by those policies when they didn't really do much of anything wrong themselves.
In short, if you really, really care about that game you're buying, try to nab it physical. That works even if you get banned. And while a fire, theft, or something can destroy the disc, you have things like Homeowner's Insurance to cover stuff like that. When my computer died due to the power company's f***up and they didn't cover it, homeowner's insurance paid to replace it based on the value of the computer. Similar things happen with games - if your game can be found for $30, they'll give you $30 to get a new one. If the game's super-rare and goes for $300, they'll give you $300 (ish) to get a new one.
Digital is a hell of a lot easier, but like I said, there's always that 1% chance you might wind up getting screwed. All depends on if people want to protect against that 1% or not, and if the tradeoffs are acceptable. Neither solution is 100% perfect.Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!dueric posted...XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
Hang on, wouldn't you only lose the games you got for free with PS Plus? I don't see why you would lose the games you bought digitally if you were banned. When you buy a game you're actually buying the license which gives you legal ownership of a copy of the game and you don't lose that just because you were banned.
People are misinterpreting what Sony says about banned accounts.
Somehow, they believe one would lose access to their digital games, but not their physical ones
Ok, scenario:
I get banned. I was playing Game X with a physical disc on that account. I might lose my save data and be unable to play it on that account. I make a new account, stick that same disc of Game X in my system, and guess what? I can play that game still.
Scenario 2:
I get banned. I was playing Game X that I had bought digitally. I'll lose my save data and be unabel to play that game on my account. I make a new account, still won't be able to play Game X unless I buy a second copy of it on that new account, unless the owner of that previous copy of Game X was a third account on the system and that isn't banned itself yet.
In the first scenario, I have only two accounts - the banned one and the unbanned one - and I can play Game X having only bought it one time, period. In the second, I will need a second copy of Game X to play it once the "owner" account is banned, unless I was using a separate account to play it and that was the one that got banned. Kind of an odd workaround, and could result in a console ban later down the line, which means that even that copy would be banned.Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!theshoveller posted...dueric posted...
XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
Hang on, wouldn't you only lose the games you got for free with PS Plus? I don't see why you would lose the games you bought digitally if you were banned. When you buy a game you're actually buying the license which gives you legal ownership of a copy of the game and you don't lose that just because you were banned.
People are misinterpreting what Sony says about banned accounts.
Somehow, they believe one would lose access to their digital games, but not their physical ones
Ok, scenario:
I get banned. I was playing Game X with a physical disc on that account. I might lose my save data and be unable to play it on that account. I make a new account, stick that same disc of Game X in my system, and guess what? I can play that game still.
Scenario 2:
I get banned. I was playing Game X that I had bought digitally. I'll lose my save data and be unabel to play that game on my account. I make a new account, still won't be able to play Game X unless I buy a second copy of it on that new account, unless the owner of that previous copy of Game X was a third account on the system and that isn't banned itself yet.
In the first scenario, I have only two accounts - the banned one and the unbanned one - and I can play Game X having only bought it one time, period. In the second, I will need a second copy of Game X to play it once the "owner" account is banned, unless I was using a separate account to play it and that was the one that got banned. Kind of an odd workaround, and could result in a console ban later down the line, which means that even that copy would be banned.
Why would you lose your save data? It's stored locally."It's like people using the internet have never heard of the internet." - SadHillShowdown Gamefaqs member- Boards
- PlayStation 4
- So if I get banned I lose all of my Digital games?
- Boards
- PlayStation 4
- So if I get banned I lose all of my Digital games?
dueric posted...theshoveller posted...
dueric posted...
XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
Hang on, wouldn't you only lose the games you got for free with PS Plus? I don't see why you would lose the games you bought digitally if you were banned. When you buy a game you're actually buying the license which gives you legal ownership of a copy of the game and you don't lose that just because you were banned.
People are misinterpreting what Sony says about banned accounts.
Somehow, they believe one would lose access to their digital games, but not their physical ones
Ok, scenario:
I get banned. I was playing Game X with a physical disc on that account. I might lose my save data and be unable to play it on that account. I make a new account, stick that same disc of Game X in my system, and guess what? I can play that game still.
Scenario 2:
I get banned. I was playing Game X that I had bought digitally. I'll lose my save data and be unabel to play that game on my account. I make a new account, still won't be able to play Game X unless I buy a second copy of it on that new account, unless the owner of that previous copy of Game X was a third account on the system and that isn't banned itself yet.
In the first scenario, I have only two accounts - the banned one and the unbanned one - and I can play Game X having only bought it one time, period. In the second, I will need a second copy of Game X to play it once the "owner" account is banned, unless I was using a separate account to play it and that was the one that got banned. Kind of an odd workaround, and could result in a console ban later down the line, which means that even that copy would be banned.
Why would you lose your save data? It's stored locally.
It's tied to your account, I believe. I don't think you can copy Save Data 1 off Account X and use it with Account Y, but I could be wrong.Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!theshoveller posted...dueric posted...
theshoveller posted...
dueric posted...
XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
Hang on, wouldn't you only lose the games you got for free with PS Plus? I don't see why you would lose the games you bought digitally if you were banned. When you buy a game you're actually buying the license which gives you legal ownership of a copy of the game and you don't lose that just because you were banned.
People are misinterpreting what Sony says about banned accounts.
Somehow, they believe one would lose access to their digital games, but not their physical ones
Ok, scenario:
I get banned. I was playing Game X with a physical disc on that account. I might lose my save data and be unable to play it on that account. I make a new account, stick that same disc of Game X in my system, and guess what? I can play that game still.
Scenario 2:
I get banned. I was playing Game X that I had bought digitally. I'll lose my save data and be unabel to play that game on my account. I make a new account, still won't be able to play Game X unless I buy a second copy of it on that new account, unless the owner of that previous copy of Game X was a third account on the system and that isn't banned itself yet.
In the first scenario, I have only two accounts - the banned one and the unbanned one - and I can play Game X having only bought it one time, period. In the second, I will need a second copy of Game X to play it once the "owner" account is banned, unless I was using a separate account to play it and that was the one that got banned. Kind of an odd workaround, and could result in a console ban later down the line, which means that even that copy would be banned.
Why would you lose your save data? It's stored locally.
It's tied to your account, I believe. I don't think you can copy Save Data 1 off Account X and use it with Account Y, but I could be wrong.
Actually you might be right. Save data may be locked to one account. However, if one is the type to actually get banned they can probably find any number of nefarious ways around that.
Either way you can still play games without save data.
Again, losing your account and losing your console are not mutually exclusive. And not for nuthin, but let's be realistic here. How many regular people do you think Sony perma account bans? The last thing they want is to cut off revenue."It's like people using the internet have never heard of the internet." - SadHillShowdown Gamefaqs memberdueric posted...Either way you can still play games without save data.
Again, losing your account and losing your console are not mutually exclusive. And not for nuthin, but let's be realistic here. How many regular people do you think Sony perma account bans? The last thing they want is to cut off revenue.
I agree, and I highly recommend reading all my previous posts - I take into account losing save data but still being able to play the game itself with a physical purchase (digital takes the license, which means you have to buy it again unless it was tied to another account that isn't banned,) and I also cover the fact that people who get "innocently banned" make up maybe 1% of the total users who do get banned (and that's a from-the-hip estimate covering those oddball situations - don't know the actual hard percentage but it's a vast, vast minority of them, likely less than 5%.)
Trust me, while I have my preference on which I shoot for, I try to see the pros and cons to both sides - even the ones that are those slim outlier possibilities on what might happen if the weather blows in the right direction and we're on the third solstice and all kinda of crazy crap.Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!PsychoWolfX posted...Not that I'm worried about getting banned. I don't cheat, exploit or anything like that and when I'm playing online I treat everyone decently, but I have seen people claim numerous times that if a account is banned it loses access to all of the games that were digitally purchased. I don't really understand how this could be the case. I've got crap internet here and over the last couple of summers it has been on and off all the time. I've spent a lot of this downtime playing digital games on my PS4. If I can play digital games with absolutely no connection to the internet how could being banned effect me?
Dont play online. You wont risk getting banned that way.My last signature got erased, so I put this here instead.theshoveller posted...It's tied to your account, I believe. I don't think you can copy Save Data 1 off Account X and use it with Account Y, but I could be wrong.
It's tied to the user ID you sign in on when you first turn on the PS4 but not to your PSN ID which is what you'd no longer have access to if you were banned. If you were perma-banned you wouldn't be able to use any PSN ID but could still play offline.Faiyez posted...If you choose not to secure your account, and you're STILL having a payment method saved on the file... I don't even know what to say.
Rightfully banned in your scenario. Read the Eula next time.
So it's a rightful ban if someone who is not the account owner hacks an account, spends the account owners money, and the account owner calls their credit card company to cancel the charges when Sony can't (won't would be more appropriate) reverse the charges themselves?
Yeah sorry but that's bulls***.
XxAxem_BlackxX posted...Hang on, wouldn't you only lose the games you got for free with PS Plus? I don't see why you would lose the games you bought digitally if you were banned. When you buy a game you're actually buying the license which gives you legal ownership of a copy of the game and you don't lose that just because you were banned.
No, you'd lose everything you bought digitally. Having a license to use a digital product is not the same thing as owning it.
dueric posted...People are misinterpreting what Sony says about banned accounts.
Somehow, they believe one would lose access to their digital games, but not their physical ones
...Because you wouldn't lose access to your physical games. A physical copy is not a license they can revoke, they'd have to physically go into your home and take the games from you.I am a dedicated member of the "Walter Sullivan Is Bad-Ass" group!!!
I am the true originator of the Cookie Demon theory on the SH2 and 3 boards.riddlebox89 posted...No, you'd lose everything you bought digitally. Having a license to use a digital product is not the same thing as owning it.
So it follows that you should go out of your way for physical, because only then do you "own" the game?
This ownership thing is way too meaningless to obsess over.
To this day, that Scott Pilgrim game remains on my download list. Why should anybody give a crap about what you think ownership is supposed to be?I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
-GlowStormLion on Japan's kinks.riddlebox89 posted...Faiyez posted...
If you choose not to secure your account, and you're STILL having a payment method saved on the file... I don't even know what to say.
Rightfully banned in your scenario. Read the Eula next time.
So it's a rightful ban if someone who is not the account owner hacks an account, spends the account owners money, and the account owner calls their credit card company to cancel the charges when Sony can't (won't would be more appropriate) reverse the charges themselves?
Yeah sorry but that's b*******.
Read the Eula, pal. All purchases are final. You are basically giving someone your credit card, and Sony isn't liable for your own mistakes.I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
-GlowStormLion on Japan's kinks.dueric posted...theshoveller posted...
dueric posted...
Licenses don't get revoked. LOL
Right, so Sony lies about it on their page, then?
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/get-help/help-library/my-account/grief-reporting/banned-and-suspended-consoles-and-accounts/What happens to content I have purchased and my subscriptions if my account or console is banned?
If your account has been banned you no longer have access to content you have purchased, any subscriptions, or any trophies you have earned. You will not receive refunds for any content or subscriptions that are active at the time of the ban. This is in line with the SEN Terms of Service.
If your console has been banned you will be able to access your account, content and subscription services from another system, provided your account has not also been banned.
Now, tell me in there where "you won't have access to content you purchased" somehow translates to "you will have access to content you purchased?"
"If your console has been banned "
You're talking about a console ban, that's when you have access to your purchases.Twilight is like Soccer: 2 hours of people running around, no one scoring and millions of fans telling me I don't get it. - MaliiceI dont think you should lose access to your games. You should definitely lose access to online though.
As far as I know if you cant access your account then you cant access your games. If you had a sub account already created would that lose access to the games as well?Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your waysriddlebox89 posted...No, you'd lose everything you bought digitally. Having a license to use a digital product is not the same thing as owning it.
Do you know that for sure or are you guessing? Because that makes no sense. If you can play your digital games when the PS4 isn't connected to the internet then you should also be able to play if you're banned. There's really no difference.XxAxem_BlackxX posted...riddlebox89 posted...
No, you'd lose everything you bought digitally. Having a license to use a digital product is not the same thing as owning it.
Do you know that for sure or are you guessing? Because that makes no sense. If you can play your digital games when the PS4 isn't connected to the internet then you should also be able to play if you're banned. There's really no difference.
If your account has been banned you no longer have access to content you have purchased, any subscriptions, or any trophies you have earned. You will not receive refunds for any content or subscriptions that are active at the time of the ban. This is in line with the SEN Terms of ServiceTwilight is like Soccer: 2 hours of people running around, no one scoring and millions of fans telling me I don't get it. - MaliiceFaiyez posted...riddlebox89 posted...
No, you'd lose everything you bought digitally. Having a license to use a digital product is not the same thing as owning it.
So it follows that you should go out of your way for physical, because only then do you "own" the game?
This ownership thing is way too meaningless to obsess over.
To this day, that Scott Pilgrim game remains on my download list. Why should anybody give a crap about what you think ownership is supposed to be?
"To this day"? Scott Pilgrim came out like six years ago. lol, spotted the nine year-old.
I guess you're never too young to shill.Compass posted...
"To this day"? Scott Pilgrim came out like six years ago. lol, spotted the nine year-old.
I guess you're never too young to shill.
Nice try, Compass, but do research next time.
Scott Pilgrim has long been delisted from the store. That's why I brought it up.I think they've taken the freedom and liberty thing a BIT TOO FAR!
-GlowStormLion on Japan's kinks.seankimberley42 posted...dueric posted...
theshoveller posted...
dueric posted...
Licenses don't get revoked. LOL
Right, so Sony lies about it on their page, then?
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/get-help/help-library/my-account/grief-reporting/banned-and-suspended-consoles-and-accounts/What happens to content I have purchased and my subscriptions if my account or console is banned?
If your account has been banned you no longer have access to content you have purchased, any subscriptions, or any trophies you have earned. You will not receive refunds for any content or subscriptions that are active at the time of the ban. This is in line with the SEN Terms of Service.
If your console has been banned you will be able to access your account, content and subscription services from another system, provided your account has not also been banned.
Now, tell me in there where "you won't have access to content you purchased" somehow translates to "you will have access to content you purchased?"
"If your console has been banned "
You're talking about a console ban, that's when you have access to your purchases.
Hate that I need to point this out, but look at the paragraph right before the one you bolded in my quote. The first words are, and I quote (again):If your account has been banned you no longer have access to content you have purchased, any subscriptions, or any trophies you have earned. You will not receive refunds for any content or subscriptions that are active at the time of the ban. This is in line with the SEN Terms of Service.
That applies to the account. When you buy a game, you buy it for the account. Not the console. If that account gets banned, you won't have access to that game. If the console gets banned - not the account, the console (which means another account did something worthy of not only being banned, but also of banning the console) then your stuff will work on other consoles, but not that specific one.
Unless you personally use multiple accounts for some strange reason, this is a nonissue for single-user systems. If multiple people use your system and you hit this problem, guess it's time to find out who got banned and have them pony up the money for a new system.
Edit: My mistake, I thought you had bolded that. Overlooked the original requote (I hate when people only change format and don't say anything after the fact.)Stupid, stupid rat creatures!!!theshoveller posted...seankimberley42 posted...
dueric posted...
theshoveller posted...
dueric posted...
Licenses don't get revoked. LOL
Right, so Sony lies about it on their page, then?
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/get-help/help-library/my-account/grief-reporting/banned-and-suspended-consoles-and-accounts/What happens to content I have purchased and my subscriptions if my account or console is banned?
If your account has been banned you no longer have access to content you have purchased, any subscriptions, or any trophies you have earned. You will not receive refunds for any content or subscriptions that are active at the time of the ban. This is in line with the SEN Terms of Service.
If your console has been banned you will be able to access your account, content and subscription services from another system, provided your account has not also been banned.
Now, tell me in there where "you won't have access to content you purchased" somehow translates to "you will have access to content you purchased?"
"If your console has been banned "
You're talking about a console ban, that's when you have access to your purchases.
Hate that I need to point this out, but look at the paragraph right before the one you bolded in my quote. The first words are, and I quote (again):If your account has been banned you no longer have access to content you have purchased, any subscriptions, or any trophies you have earned. You will not receive refunds for any content or subscriptions that are active at the time of the ban. This is in line with the SEN Terms of Service.
That applies to the account. When you buy a game, you buy it for the account. Not the console. If that account gets banned, you won't have access to that game. If the console gets banned - not the account, the console (which means another account did something worthy of not only being banned, but also of banning the console) then your stuff will work on other consoles, but not that specific one.
Unless you personally use multiple accounts for some strange reason, this is a nonissue for single-user systems. If multiple people use your system and you hit this problem, guess it's time to find out who got banned and have them pony up the money for a new system.
Edit: My mistake, I thought you had bolded that. Overlooked the original requote (I hate when people only change format and don't say anything after the fact.)
If you are banned, then you still can play Dragon Quest XI. If not Sony get sued.Most of your games should be physical anyway. Most games worth playing come out on discs, and if a game comes out on a disc you should buy it on a disc.If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.- Romans 10:9- Boards
- PlayStation 4
- So if I get banned I lose all of my Digital games?
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