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This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. Don't get it. They're just little activities you can do after you've beaten the main game, and can be used for bragging rights. Another great feature for completionists. If this feature comes to the system, I'd definitely be willing to put more time into games to get these trophies.
I also feel like Nintendo would be the ones to do it the best. I feel like IF we get an achievement system, it'll actually mean something, and we can probably use our points to buy stuff off of MyNintendo. Another thing I thought they should have done on Wii U, just with Club Nintendo (R.I.P.) Anyways, I'm excited if it comes. http://nintendoeverything.com/lichtspeer-dev-mentions-nintendo-is-working-on-an-achievement-system-for-switch/
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Mandrew257 posted...
This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. Because they add nothing to the game.
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Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. Not caring for them is one thing. Being completely against it not coming to the system is another thing. They also don't affect the people complaining about them. You can even disable them on PS3/4 and XBOX.
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SPDShadowRanger posted...Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. You know, if Nintendo allowed for enabling/disabling then that would be one up on XBone and PS3/4. I wish I could turn that s*** off.
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Mandrew257 posted...SPDShadowRanger posted...Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. Can't you? Pretty sure you can disable the achievement/trophy pop ups
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Mandrew257 posted...
RollinHard posted...Mandrew257 posted...SPDShadowRanger posted...Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. Well, maybe...I haven't found it yet if its there.
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SPDShadowRanger posted...Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. They're actually not. Aside from the hand out trophies you get , all the other trophies are low % as nobody gives a s*** about them
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SPDShadowRanger posted...
Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. Wrong They add achievements to the game. |
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RollinHard posted...
Mandrew257 posted...RollinHard posted...Mandrew257 posted...SPDShadowRanger posted...Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. I turned the notifications off on my PS4....think on my PS3 as well...dont get pop ups on the PS4 anymore. *edit* Go to Settings > Notifications Look down the list and you see Trophies....unclick the box for it, and will no longer get pop ups when you get a trophy. Very nice to be able to do that. :)
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Achievements only add to games and systems. They take away nothing. If people like them, then they benefit. If they're indifferent, then they won't care. If people are against them, then they can turn them off.
I can see being for or indifferent towards achievements. But anyone who is actively against them is an ignorant buffoon.
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Achievements only add to games and systems. They take away nothing. If people like them, then they benefit. If they're indifferent, then they won't care. If people are against them, then they can turn them off. This, while i enjoy them on xbox i dont care if theyre on nintendo systems but if they are id be interested. How is more options a bad thing? No one is forcing you to look at or care about them. But as for rewards for them as tc proposed i think they would but it would most likely be just wallpapers or something else stupid anyone could get for free |
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Why couldn't Nintendo add an achievement system in the first place? Couldn't they just add it via a software or firmware update.
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reidyboy102998 posted...
Why couldn't Nintendo add an achievement system in the first place? Couldn't they just add it via a software or firmware update. Will probably come with the whole online thing....probably
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@Mandrew257 You're probably right. That's a bummer. If I get a Switch, I probably won't pay for online (due to my experience with their service on 3DS)
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As long as there's an option to disable the popups.
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SPDShadowRanger posted...
Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. For you, but not for everyone else. There are plenty of people that will replay games to unlock achievements. If you don't like it, you can ignore it. Why are people like you always against Nintendo adding anything new? What is wrong with you? It's as if seeing other people enjoy a feature that you don't enjoy pisses you off somehow. |
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hyperdimeduck posted...a set of useless jpegs to look at while you complete checklists. riveting. What do amiibos have to do with achievements? Oh, that's right, nothing.
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SSjYagami posted...
I hope it is optional, but I am excited. Achievements and trophies are always optional; just play the ****ing game your way and don't pay attention when you earn them.
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Meh. I care about achievments less than I care about the stuff growing between my toes.
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SPDShadowRanger posted...Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. If they do this, it's not guaranteed that we'll be able to completely disable them, and they take resources to implement, on a system level and on a per-game level. I don't know about the guy you're quoting, but seeing people enjoy a feature that I don't enjoy doesn't piss me off, as long as it's not a trend, and doesn't create a trend, that negatively affects me. |
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SSjYagami posted...I hope it is optional, but I am excited. That's not optional. That's making every game intrusively meta. Optional is being able to make them completely invisible without breaking anything else in the process. |
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SPDShadowRanger posted...Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. BOTW will play the same with or without it
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Luigi4President posted...
Make 'em like Smash Bros. trophies (i.e. 3D models with decently written details) and I'll eat this up like crazy OH YES PLEASE. now THAT would make me more interested in an Achievement system. and make it exactly just like smash, with well done trophies, a description of each trophy and even a photo mode where you can arrange them as well. imagine trophies from almost every game that comes out on the Switch? imagine trophies from Payday 2 or even LA Noire. |
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Rumor: Nintendo Switch might be getting Netflix! It's spelled "rumour" you damn Yankee
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Mandrew257 posted...
RollinHard posted...Mandrew257 posted...SPDShadowRanger posted...Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. Pop-up, yes. Completely disabled the feature, no.
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chstar posted...
Nice. about time nintendo implemented something like this. By all means, give me an excuse to replay some classics again! You seriously need achievements to play some games again?
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If Nintendo adds system wide achievements, that's fine. But let's not pretend there isn't better things they could be working on, better online and voice chat, save transfers, better Eshop functionality, VC etc.
No one is stopping devs from making an achievement system for their game. Binding of Isaac and Rime have done so.RollinHard posted...Well, maybe...I haven't found it yet if its there.
Yep. There's a way to turn off the notifications, at least on PS4. It's under settings. You'll still get the trophies when you meet requirements, but since you don't get the pop-ups you can pretend they don't exist.Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz
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PS3 didn't have one at launch and they more or less copied the Xbox 360 system.
If it just a simple archivement system then they could have easy make one up when the console first release instead of wait a year to make it happen.PSN/XBL/Steam: mcnichoj | Switch FC: Ask
"Wanting people to have full knowledge of the facts about a console makes you a fanboy."Allmytee posted...If Nintendo adds system wide achievements, that's fine. But let's not pretend there isn't better things they could be working on, better online and voice chat, save transfers, better Eshop functionality, VC etc.
No one is stopping devs from making an achievement system for their game. Binding of Isaac and Rime have done so.
I think their team is big enough to be working on more than one thing at a time...PSN - Wingo_84
Wii U NNID - Wingo84 ----- 3DS FC - 2122-7025-10131) System wide Achievements are pointless and an unneeded feature design for peoples pissing contests. One doesn't need to be able to see your Mario Kart trophies in Splatoon and you don't need to show off to claim your better because you have them. They only have relevance to the game at hand you obtained them in.
2) Forcing devs to make Achievements in games that don't have them is a waste of their time. It also leads to stupid easy achievements like turn on game, play easy mode, or kill first enemy. It also leads to broken ones no one in their right mind would want to do.Just like Rockstar Games, ports of recent games to a new system, Ubisoft games, Bethesda games, paid online and various other things, Achievements will be one of those "it's s*** until we actually got it, then it's suddenly good" things for Nintendo fans.
They'll eat them up as soon as they're implemented.Thank God for Jim!AkaneJones posted...2) Forcing devs to make Achievements in games that don't have them is a waste of their time. It also leads to stupid easy achievements like turn on game, play easy mode, or kill first enemy. It also leads to broken ones no one in their right mind would want to do.
lol, that logic. No, if devs put in easy achievements it's because they wanted to. The ones you describe also account for like a minuscule fraction of all achievements.
Lastly, broken =/= you being a scrub with no skill and/or the ability to commit to anything
Legitimate broken achievements exist, those can never be unlocked even if the criteria is met or say a server is shut off. Achievements that are difficult or grindy have their reasons for existing.PSN/XBL/Steam: mcnichoj | Switch FC: Ask
"Wanting people to have full knowledge of the facts about a console makes you a fanboy."wingo84 posted...Allmytee posted...
If Nintendo adds system wide achievements, that's fine. But let's not pretend there isn't better things they could be working on, better online and voice chat, save transfers, better Eshop functionality, VC etc.
No one is stopping devs from making an achievement system for their game. Binding of Isaac and Rime have done so.
I think their team is big enough to be working on more than one thing at a time...
And even with all those people working on things we still got the horrible implementation of voice chat, barebones eshop, saves locked on your system, no VC, friend codes, yada yada yada.
Again, if they do add system wide achievements, great. But I, and I'm sure many others would rather have those other issues looked into before that.Personally I will gladly pass on getting applause for being smart enough to turn the game on or having defeated my first enemy of the 10.000 more to come, but oh well. If people like it, good for them."Such potential they bring to our minds. And yet a lock stopped you from all of that. How... lazy." - WhiteroseMandrew257 posted...SPDShadowRanger posted...
Mandrew257 posted...
This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash.
Because they add nothing to the game.
Not caring for them is one thing. Being completely against it not coming to the system is another thing. They also don't affect the people complaining about them. You can even disable them on PS3/4 and XBOX.
They effect alot. Games online with trophies people quit more than with out on systems as they need the online trophy. Some games on ps4 that are really short get more of a pass as trophies add replay (would much rather have a good longer game)
when browsing on games like LBP so many levels are "____ trophy" that it ruins the experience imagine if super mario creator comes to switch but all the levels are just easy trophies.
They also encourage online bullying I've been in games where people of gone "he's only gamer level 7 kick him" there's no need.
Also message boards for games get filled with "quickest way to get ___" and important topics get lost buried under trophy or achievement stuff.
They are toxic. I love my ps4 but honestly I'd pay £59.99 extra a year to not have to play with the kids who want a pat on the back for stupid tjingsike "press start" or who will be only using a weak weapon online in a team match to get trophy or rage quit ect.....Signature, What's that?TsC_PoLiTiKz posted...The fact that when so many of you think of achievements you think of ridiculously easy crap is very telling.
In Xbox one you can get them for watching Netflix. They are loads of easy ones. The fact people thinking watching Netflix or pressing start is an achievement well earned is telling about achievement loversSignature, What's that?Lm03 posted...Luigi4President posted...
Make 'em like Smash Bros. trophies (i.e. 3D models with decently written details) and I'll eat this up like crazy
OH YES PLEASE.
now THAT would make me more interested in an Achievement system. and make it exactly just like smash, with well done trophies, a description of each trophy and even a photo mode where you can arrange them as well. imagine trophies from almost every game that comes out on the Switch? imagine trophies from Payday 2 or even LA Noire.
Now THAT would be interesting.
That would only solve half the issue tho, but it's a really good starting point.FC: 1977 - 0616 - 0040
Gallant was hereGladiant posted...Knowing Nintendo, they wouldn't just go with normal archivement system like other console for sure.
If it just a simple archivement system then they could have easy make one up when the console first release instead of wait a year to make it happen.
Weird, I thought the Switch "has no games to play", so waiting a year-ish to implement achievements seems rather reasonable, no? '-))CreviceCretin - Mario games are for little kids grow up and kill something.
^ 213 people agree that it's ignorance at its finest.wingo84 posted...Allmytee posted...
If Nintendo adds system wide achievements, that's fine. But let's not pretend there isn't better things they could be working on, better online and voice chat, save transfers, better Eshop functionality, VC etc.
No one is stopping devs from making an achievement system for their game. Binding of Isaac and Rime have done so.
I think their team is big enough to be working on more than one thing at a time...
Pretty sure people on this board have claimed it takes 15-30 minutes to add 40+ achievements to a single game, so if they just have someone work overtime for 30 minutes late in a game's development it will be no issue.CreviceCretin - Mario games are for little kids grow up and kill something.
^ 213 people agree that it's ignorance at its finest.One of the reasons I bought the switch was because it didn't have an infantile achievement/trophy system. I hope this isn't true as trophies/achievements encourage the very worst of gaming and I'd prefer knuckle dragging trophy/achievement obsessed kiddies stayed on their Xboxes and PS4's.Another visitor, Stay a while, Staaaaay FOREVER!I don't believe this at all. Some no name dev comes out of the blue and says Nintendo is working on something a lot of people really really want? Sure, if this isn't just bulls*** to get people talking about the dev I'll be amazed.
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I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not.lol_klingons posted...LMAO at all the Nintendo fanboys. I bet if the Wii had invented achievements instead of the 360 you would be all over them
You poor soul, you think the XBox 360 invented achievements.
And Brawl had an achievement system, it was universally hated.CreviceCretin - Mario games are for little kids grow up and kill something.
^ 213 people agree that it's ignorance at its finest.PhoenixML posted...More than 70% don't complete their games, I'm pretty sure they dislike trophies as well.
They must not be real gamers. Real gamers know the only true test of skill in a game is getting all the Trophies or Achievements.PS4 - Because it was the next gen console i was the most interested in.
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More than 70% don't complete their games, I'm pretty sure they dislike trophies as well.
They must not be real gamers. Real gamers know the only true test of skill in a game is getting all the Trophies or Achievements.
Enjoy getting the "Killed a Rockstar Developer online" achievement for GTA IV.CreviceCretin - Mario games are for little kids grow up and kill something.
^ 213 people agree that it's ignorance at its finest.EternalDivide posted...I don't see why people hate them so much. Some I do since on some games l like to 100% them anyway. Some I don't because they're just so amazingly ass (Tales of... games and their beat game for the 6th time on ascending difficulties). They're just something extra for people.
Maybe I'm just speaking for myself, but it's not so much that people hate them as they're completely disinterested since they don't really do much of anything.
All trophies/achievements do for players is provide digital, shareable checklists of things you can already do in game. They create visibility, not new possibilities. Aside from one joke in Portal 2 (which doesn't work a second time), I've never seen a trophy/achievement actually add anything to a game.
Now, if trophies/achievements were actually linked to in game content ("You did this incredibly uninteresting and/or tedious task! Here's a cool new weapon!"), that would be a lot more worth my attention.Karmic Dragon2003 posted...PS4Warrior posted...
PhoenixML posted...
More than 70% don't complete their games, I'm pretty sure they dislike trophies as well.
They must not be real gamers. Real gamers know the only true test of skill in a game is getting all the Trophies or Achievements.
Enjoy getting the "Killed a Rockstar Developer online" achievement for GTA IV.
Actually looking at it most people get it from just getting a kill in Multiplayer.PS4 - Because it was the next gen console i was the most interested in.
Warrior - Because i usually pick the Warrior class in MMORPGs when i played them.BladeManEXE posted...Now, if trophies/achievements were actually linked to in game content ("You did this incredibly uninteresting and/or tedious task! Here's a cool new weapon!"), that would be a lot more worth my attention.
This, so much this.
Sometimes achievements/trophies are used creatively like in Double Dragon Neon:
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^ 213 people agree that it's ignorance at its finest.Mandrew257 posted...This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash. Don't get it. They're just little activities you can do after you've beaten the main game, and can be used for bragging rights
Because they're useless. Absolutely useless. You can do all these little activities anyway.. and if you need achievements for braggings rights.. dear me.Best 3 games of all time: Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, Xenoblade, Xenoblade X
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Look sunshine, not everyone who dislikes this garbage is a fanboy, I have a Switch, PS4 pro and XB1S and I don't mind saying I really dislike achievements and trophies as they encourage the worst in gamers and set a poor mindset on the weak willed kiddies. At the end of the day, achievements and trophies mean ZERO, jack squat. I don't care if you have 10 billion gamerscore or you have 500 platinum trophies, its f***ing meaningless.
Now.. the original idea behind achievements was to be able to "spend" the points and get free stuff, including games, but that was quickly dumped and achievements then became purely worthless but I've seen first hand what they do to easily lead people. I'm happy the Switch doesn't have them. hope it stays that way.Achievements/Trophies are for people who need a pat on their back because they managed to put a full spoon into their mouth without spilling its contents.thefabregas22 posted...I don't believe this at all. Some no name dev comes out of the blue and says Nintendo is working on something a lot of people really really want? Sure, if this isn't just bulls*** to get people talking about the dev I'll be amazed.
I hope it does happen but I just don't see it.
I don't believe it either but if it is true, it wouldn't be achievements like on other consoles. It would most likely be linked to the online subscription and My Nintendo.stekim40 posted...lol_klingons posted...
LMAO at all the Nintendo fanboys. I bet if the Wii had invented achievements instead of the 360 you would be all over them
Look sunshine, not everyone who dislikes this garbage is a fanboy, I have a Switch, PS4 pro and XB1S and I don't mind saying I really dislike achievements and trophies as they encourage the worst in gamers and set a poor mindset on the weak willed kiddies. At the end of the day, achievements and trophies mean ZERO, jack squat. I don't care if you have 10 billion gamerscore or you have 500 platinum trophies, its f***ing meaningless.
Now.. the original idea behind achievements was to be able to "spend" the points and get free stuff, including games, but that was quickly dumped and achievements then became purely worthless but I've seen first hand what they do to easily lead people. I'm happy the Switch doesn't have them. hope it stays that way.
If achievements are "f***ing meaningless," then so are online multiplayer ranking systems, difficulty levels in single player campaigns, or trying to "beat" single player games. Hell, playing games at all is "f***ing meaningless" when you look at things with this attitude.
Some people enjoy being given tasks to perform and some indicator they've performed it. Get over yourself.
And by the way, I distinctly remember spending an entire weekend in High School working on Halo 3 "vidmaster" achievements with a group of 3 friends online. They were extremely challenging, even for four people who played often, and at the end we were rewarded with unique armor in the game that I used from that point on.
That kind of usage of achievements might be the exception and not the rule, but the fact that it exists at all shows that you are wrong in your arbitrary label of "f***ing meaningless."abear90 posted...stekim40 posted...
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LMAO at all the Nintendo fanboys. I bet if the Wii had invented achievements instead of the 360 you would be all over them
Look sunshine, not everyone who dislikes this garbage is a fanboy, I have a Switch, PS4 pro and XB1S and I don't mind saying I really dislike achievements and trophies as they encourage the worst in gamers and set a poor mindset on the weak willed kiddies. At the end of the day, achievements and trophies mean ZERO, jack squat. I don't care if you have 10 billion gamerscore or you have 500 platinum trophies, its f***ing meaningless.
Now.. the original idea behind achievements was to be able to "spend" the points and get free stuff, including games, but that was quickly dumped and achievements then became purely worthless but I've seen first hand what they do to easily lead people. I'm happy the Switch doesn't have them. hope it stays that way.
If achievements are "f***ing meaningless," then so are online multiplayer ranking systems, difficulty levels in single player campaigns, or trying to "beat" single player games. Hell, playing games at all is "f***ing meaningless" when you look at things with this attitude.
Some people enjoy being given tasks to perform and some indicator they've performed it. Get over yourself.
And by the way, I distinctly remember spending an entire weekend in High School working on Halo 3 "vidmaster" achievements with a group of 3 friends online. They were extremely challenging, even for four people who played often, and at the end we were rewarded with unique armor in the game that I used from that point on.
That kind of usage of achievements might be the exception and not the rule, but the fact that it exists at all shows that you are wrong in your arbitrary label of "f***ing meaningless."
But you could have done the exact same thing even if it wasn't an achievement.CreviceCretin - Mario games are for little kids grow up and kill something.
^ 213 people agree that it's ignorance at its finest.Mandrew257 posted...SPDShadowRanger posted...
Mandrew257 posted...
This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash.
Because they add nothing to the game.
Not caring for them is one thing. Being completely against it not coming to the system is another thing. They also don't affect the people complaining about them. You can even disable them on PS3/4 and XBOX.
Its because their one of the many negative aspects of modern gaming
Unlockables are now DLC
Cheat codes are also DLC
Finally the old in game method to unlock those unlockables were turned into Acheivements/trophies
I typically find supporters of such to be younger gamers but for older gamers the system is a farce a shiny penny to to get gamers to look the other way. Your still rewarded properly for exploration and gameplay in many Nintendo and even PC games. However in other games they just ping the soulless achievement instead. Today's modern gamer is easily distracted by shiny things.
I game like Zelda your rewarded for hitting all the shrines but a game like AC on other consoles all you get is a ping. Because devs just lazily slapped that on since they system is available instead of adding something deserving.Ignorance is Bliss...Karmic Dragon2003 posted...abear90 posted...
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lol_klingons posted...
LMAO at all the Nintendo fanboys. I bet if the Wii had invented achievements instead of the 360 you would be all over them
Look sunshine, not everyone who dislikes this garbage is a fanboy, I have a Switch, PS4 pro and XB1S and I don't mind saying I really dislike achievements and trophies as they encourage the worst in gamers and set a poor mindset on the weak willed kiddies. At the end of the day, achievements and trophies mean ZERO, jack squat. I don't care if you have 10 billion gamerscore or you have 500 platinum trophies, its f***ing meaningless.
Now.. the original idea behind achievements was to be able to "spend" the points and get free stuff, including games, but that was quickly dumped and achievements then became purely worthless but I've seen first hand what they do to easily lead people. I'm happy the Switch doesn't have them. hope it stays that way.
If achievements are "f***ing meaningless," then so are online multiplayer ranking systems, difficulty levels in single player campaigns, or trying to "beat" single player games. Hell, playing games at all is "f***ing meaningless" when you look at things with this attitude.
Some people enjoy being given tasks to perform and some indicator they've performed it. Get over yourself.
And by the way, I distinctly remember spending an entire weekend in High School working on Halo 3 "vidmaster" achievements with a group of 3 friends online. They were extremely challenging, even for four people who played often, and at the end we were rewarded with unique armor in the game that I used from that point on.
That kind of usage of achievements might be the exception and not the rule, but the fact that it exists at all shows that you are wrong in your arbitrary label of "f***ing meaningless."
But you could have done the exact same thing even if it wasn't an achievement.
.....no, we couldn't have. The point was that the game developer, Bungie in this case, set up a set of difficult achievements, where some of them literally required that you play through a portion of the game's campaign online with 3 other people. The reward for collecting all of the achievements was the rare armor set.
If any of us wanted that armor set, our only option was to get all of the achievements required for it, all of those achievements spread through the game's single and multiplayer modes...
We would have never all played the campaign under the conditions the achievement required, which ended up being very fun, if none of us actually wanted the armor set reward.abear90 posted...stekim40 posted...
lol_klingons posted...
LMAO at all the Nintendo fanboys. I bet if the Wii had invented achievements instead of the 360 you would be all over them
Look sunshine, not everyone who dislikes this garbage is a fanboy, I have a Switch, PS4 pro and XB1S and I don't mind saying I really dislike achievements and trophies as they encourage the worst in gamers and set a poor mindset on the weak willed kiddies. At the end of the day, achievements and trophies mean ZERO, jack squat. I don't care if you have 10 billion gamerscore or you have 500 platinum trophies, its f***ing meaningless.
Now.. the original idea behind achievements was to be able to "spend" the points and get free stuff, including games, but that was quickly dumped and achievements then became purely worthless but I've seen first hand what they do to easily lead people. I'm happy the Switch doesn't have them. hope it stays that way.
If achievements are "f***ing meaningless," then so are online multiplayer ranking systems, difficulty levels in single player campaigns, or trying to "beat" single player games. Hell, playing games at all is "f***ing meaningless" when you look at things with this attitude.
Some people enjoy being given tasks to perform and some indicator they've performed it. Get over yourself.
And by the way, I distinctly remember spending an entire weekend in High School working on Halo 3 "vidmaster" achievements with a group of 3 friends online. They were extremely challenging, even for four people who played often, and at the end we were rewarded with unique armor in the game that I used from that point on.
That kind of usage of achievements might be the exception and not the rule, but the fact that it exists at all shows that you are wrong in your arbitrary label of "f***ing meaningless."
And you needed to strawman for that?Uh... A-Are you sure to interact with others?
-Mario, Ganondorf, Sonic, Bowser Jr. / Wendy, Duck Hunt, Marth, Mewtwo Mainer.Blayshy posted...abear90 posted...
stekim40 posted...
lol_klingons posted...
LMAO at all the Nintendo fanboys. I bet if the Wii had invented achievements instead of the 360 you would be all over them
Look sunshine, not everyone who dislikes this garbage is a fanboy, I have a Switch, PS4 pro and XB1S and I don't mind saying I really dislike achievements and trophies as they encourage the worst in gamers and set a poor mindset on the weak willed kiddies. At the end of the day, achievements and trophies mean ZERO, jack squat. I don't care if you have 10 billion gamerscore or you have 500 platinum trophies, its f***ing meaningless.
Now.. the original idea behind achievements was to be able to "spend" the points and get free stuff, including games, but that was quickly dumped and achievements then became purely worthless but I've seen first hand what they do to easily lead people. I'm happy the Switch doesn't have them. hope it stays that way.
If achievements are "f***ing meaningless," then so are online multiplayer ranking systems, difficulty levels in single player campaigns, or trying to "beat" single player games. Hell, playing games at all is "f***ing meaningless" when you look at things with this attitude.
Some people enjoy being given tasks to perform and some indicator they've performed it. Get over yourself.
And by the way, I distinctly remember spending an entire weekend in High School working on Halo 3 "vidmaster" achievements with a group of 3 friends online. They were extremely challenging, even for four people who played often, and at the end we were rewarded with unique armor in the game that I used from that point on.
That kind of usage of achievements might be the exception and not the rule, but the fact that it exists at all shows that you are wrong in your arbitrary label of "f***ing meaningless."
And you needed to strawman for that?
You might want to look up what a straw man is, because I can't even pretend that anything I said is a "straw man." You claimed that achievements are "f***ing meaningless." I explained how your "logic" was extremely poor and even though I didn't need to, offered an example off the top of my head where a set of achievements led to a desireable in-game reward.Won't happen.
Nintendo has never shown interest in that sort of thing and the source for the rumour is dubious at best.http://sonicblast.org/index/
The Best Sonic Forum on the net!abear90 posted...You might want to look up what a straw man is, because I can't even pretend that anything I said is a "straw man." You claimed that achievements are "f***ing meaningless." I explained how your "logic" was extremely poor and even though I didn't need to, offered an example off the top of my head where a set of achievements led to a desireable in-game reward.
So the achievements were useless, the in-game reward was not.CreviceCretin - Mario games are for little kids grow up and kill something.
^ 213 people agree that it's ignorance at its finest.Karmic Dragon2003 posted...abear90 posted...
You might want to look up what a straw man is, because I can't even pretend that anything I said is a "straw man." You claimed that achievements are "f***ing meaningless." I explained how your "logic" was extremely poor and even though I didn't need to, offered an example off the top of my head where a set of achievements led to a desireable in-game reward.
So the achievements were useless, the in-game reward was not.
As I pointed out to someone else, the achievements were the only way to get the in-game reward, which makes them by definition meaningful.abear90 posted...Karmic Dragon2003 posted...
abear90 posted...
You might want to look up what a straw man is, because I can't even pretend that anything I said is a "straw man." You claimed that achievements are "f***ing meaningless." I explained how your "logic" was extremely poor and even though I didn't need to, offered an example off the top of my head where a set of achievements led to a desireable in-game reward.
So the achievements were useless, the in-game reward was not.
As I pointed out to someone else, the achievements were the only way to get the in-game reward, which makes them by definition meaningful.
You seem to have things confused.
The game determined you would get that reward because of your actions within it.
The achievement exists external to the game, at the system/console level, which the game notifies after a task is performed.
If the achievement system didn't exist, the same course of actions would have led to the same reward. The game just wouldn't tell the console that task X had been completed. Achievements don't provide in-game rewards because they aren't really part of the game, but they occasionally coincide with those rewards because they're tied to certain actions.- Boards
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BladeManEXE posted...abear90 posted...
Karmic Dragon2003 posted...
abear90 posted...
You might want to look up what a straw man is, because I can't even pretend that anything I said is a "straw man." You claimed that achievements are "f***ing meaningless." I explained how your "logic" was extremely poor and even though I didn't need to, offered an example off the top of my head where a set of achievements led to a desireable in-game reward.
So the achievements were useless, the in-game reward was not.
As I pointed out to someone else, the achievements were the only way to get the in-game reward, which makes them by definition meaningful.
You seem to have things confused.
The game determined you would get that reward because of your actions within it.
The achievement exists external to the game, at the system/console level, which the game notifies after a task is performed.
If the achievement system didn't exist, the same course of actions would have led to the same reward. The game just wouldn't tell the console that task X had been completed. Achievements don't provide in-game rewards because they aren't really part of the game, but they occasionally coincide with those rewards because they're tied to certain actions.
I'm not confused at all. I'm quite familiar with how these things work. Here's what you seem to be missing. MS made an API to keep track of game accomplishments that developers can use. It would be stupid not to use something that already exists at a system level like that. It's like saying that every game that wants to let you chat with friends should write its own chat client and UI interface. The 360 already had chat built in at a system level, so why would you reimplement it yourself?
It's the same exact thing with this. These particular achievements were added after the initial game launch. The game itself had no UI for managing looking at whether you've accomplished little one-off tasks. Why would they not use an API that already exists literally for that purpose to do it? Would they have been less likely to add on something like this if they literally needed to make their own API and/or UI so the player could keep track of what he's already done?
You're assuming that if system wide achievements hadn't been available, Bungie could have added their own in-game system. But that's a big assumption to make. The point of big system-wide APIs like achievements like this is it makes it trivial for developers to add features that they might otherwise not have had time to do or might not wanted to do.SSjYagami posted...I hope it is optional, but I am excited.
It always is. Just ignore them and it's optional. Woah! The system doesn't demand you unlock achievements or trophies.PSN: JVir NNID: Jayvir
I'm a living contradiction. I own a PS4, a Switch, a 3DS, a Vita and a gaming PC. And the catch to that? I enjoy them all!abear90 posted...BladeManEXE posted...
abear90 posted...
Karmic Dragon2003 posted...
abear90 posted...
You might want to look up what a straw man is, because I can't even pretend that anything I said is a "straw man." You claimed that achievements are "f***ing meaningless." I explained how your "logic" was extremely poor and even though I didn't need to, offered an example off the top of my head where a set of achievements led to a desireable in-game reward.
So the achievements were useless, the in-game reward was not.
As I pointed out to someone else, the achievements were the only way to get the in-game reward, which makes them by definition meaningful.
You seem to have things confused.
The game determined you would get that reward because of your actions within it.
The achievement exists external to the game, at the system/console level, which the game notifies after a task is performed.
If the achievement system didn't exist, the same course of actions would have led to the same reward. The game just wouldn't tell the console that task X had been completed. Achievements don't provide in-game rewards because they aren't really part of the game, but they occasionally coincide with those rewards because they're tied to certain actions.
I'm not confused at all. I'm quite familiar with how these things work. Here's what you seem to be missing. MS made an API to keep track of game accomplishments that developers can use. It would be stupid not to use something that already exists at a system level like that. It's like saying that every game that wants to let you chat with friends should write its own chat client and UI interface. The 360 already had chat built in at a system level, so why would you reimplement it yourself?
It's the same exact thing with this. These particular achievements were added after the initial game launch. The game itself had no UI for managing looking at whether you've accomplished little one-off tasks. Why would they not use an API that already exists literally for that purpose to do it? Would they have been less likely to add on something like this if they literally needed to make their own API and/or UI so the player could keep track of what he's already done?
You're assuming that if system wide achievements hadn't been available, Bungie could have added their own in-game system. But that's a big assumption to make. The point of big system-wide APIs like achievements like this is it makes it trivial for developers to add features that they might otherwise not have had time to do or might not wanted to do.
You've seemingly missed the point I was making.
That API is how the game notifies the achievement system that a task was completed.
The game itself determines that a task will give a reward is given and separately that an achievement will be issued to the console level through that API.
The achievement doesn't cause you to get an in game reward. It's just something that happens at the same time at different levels (game vs. console). That was the point I was making.
I wasn't saying anything about whether or not Bungie could or should or would have made an in-game achievement system, but rather that the entire achievement concept as it exists is essentially a programming afterthought when it comes to in-game rewards.BladeManEXE posted...
You've seemingly missed the point I was making.
That API is how the game notifies the achievement system that a task was completed.
The game itself determines that a task will give a reward is given and separately that an achievement will be issued to the console level through that API.
The achievement doesn't cause you to get an in game reward. It's just something that happens at the same time at different levels (game vs. console). That was the point I was making.
I wasn't saying anything about whether or not Bungie could or should or would have made an in-game achievement system, but rather that the entire achievement concept as it exists is essentially a programming afterthought when it comes to in-game rewards.
I understand that for a one-off "complete this task and unlock this reward" type achievement, that could easily be done by the game itself, if desired.
My point was that for this particular example, the reward was something that you unlocked after completing several different tasks across several different modes of the game. It's not something you could just accomplish and get instant feedback : "you've unlocked this armor." The player would need a way to see which of the 3(in this case) tasks he has completed to measure his progress towards completing all of them. There is no way I would attempt to do something that requires completing 3 different tasks before a reward is given without getting some kind of intermediate feedback after completing each task. You don't want to waste time doing something if you don't even know if you're doing it to the game's expectations.
So in this case, it would have greatly added the amount of work needed for the developer to add on this type of reward system. Like I said in my first point, they would have to build out their own ui so the player could monitor progress towards this specific set of in game actions, a feature that already exists in the form of the achievements API.abear90 posted...BladeManEXE posted...
You've seemingly missed the point I was making.
That API is how the game notifies the achievement system that a task was completed.
The game itself determines that a task will give a reward is given and separately that an achievement will be issued to the console level through that API.
The achievement doesn't cause you to get an in game reward. It's just something that happens at the same time at different levels (game vs. console). That was the point I was making.
I wasn't saying anything about whether or not Bungie could or should or would have made an in-game achievement system, but rather that the entire achievement concept as it exists is essentially a programming afterthought when it comes to in-game rewards.
I understand that for a one-off "complete this task and unlock this reward" type achievement, that could easily be done by the game itself, if desired.
My point was that for this particular example, the reward was something that you unlocked after completing several different tasks across several different modes of the game. It's not something you could just accomplish and get instant feedback : "you've unlocked this armor." The player would need a way to see which of the 3(in this case) tasks he has completed to measure his progress towards completing all of them. There is no way I would attempt to do something that requires completing 3 different tasks before a reward is given without getting some kind of intermediate feedback after completing each task. You don't want to waste time doing something if you don't even know if you're doing it to the game's expectations.
So in this case, it would have greatly added the amount of work needed for the developer to add on this type of reward system. Like I said in my first point, they would have to build out their own ui so the player could monitor progress towards this specific set of in game actions, a feature that already exists in the form of the achievements API.
Why would it have needed a lot of extra work?
Instead of checking against achievements, all they need do is set a few Boolean for whether or not the tasks had been completed. And when all three are set to true, give the armor.
Yeah, the achievements give it visibility without implementing additional display features, but the post you made earlier, which started my involvement, agrued:
abear90 posted...As I pointed out to someone else, the achievements were the only way to get the in-game reward, which makes them by definition meaningful.
Which is demonstrably untrue. It's still possible to do those tasks without achievements. As I said earlier in this topic, achievements/trophies create only visibility, not possibility.BladeManEXE posted...abear90 posted...
BladeManEXE posted...
You've seemingly missed the point I was making.
That API is how the game notifies the achievement system that a task was completed.
The game itself determines that a task will give a reward is given and separately that an achievement will be issued to the console level through that API.
The achievement doesn't cause you to get an in game reward. It's just something that happens at the same time at different levels (game vs. console). That was the point I was making.
I wasn't saying anything about whether or not Bungie could or should or would have made an in-game achievement system, but rather that the entire achievement concept as it exists is essentially a programming afterthought when it comes to in-game rewards.
I understand that for a one-off "complete this task and unlock this reward" type achievement, that could easily be done by the game itself, if desired.
My point was that for this particular example, the reward was something that you unlocked after completing several different tasks across several different modes of the game. It's not something you could just accomplish and get instant feedback : "you've unlocked this armor." The player would need a way to see which of the 3(in this case) tasks he has completed to measure his progress towards completing all of them. There is no way I would attempt to do something that requires completing 3 different tasks before a reward is given without getting some kind of intermediate feedback after completing each task. You don't want to waste time doing something if you don't even know if you're doing it to the game's expectations.
So in this case, it would have greatly added the amount of work needed for the developer to add on this type of reward system. Like I said in my first point, they would have to build out their own ui so the player could monitor progress towards this specific set of in game actions, a feature that already exists in the form of the achievements API.
Why would it have needed a lot of extra work?
Instead of checking against achievements, all they need do is set a few Boolean for whether or not the tasks had been completed. And when all three are set to true, give the armor.
Yeah, the achievements give it visibility without implementing additional display features, but the post you made earlier, which started my involvement, agrued:
abear90 posted...As I pointed out to someone else, the achievements were the only way to get the in-game reward, which makes them by definition meaningful.
Which is demonstrably untrue. It's still possible to do those tasks without achievements. As I said earlier in this topic, achievements/trophies create only visibility, not possibility.
You seem to have completely skipped over my point that for large sets of tasks, the player needs some sort of UI progress tracker or immediate feedback when single tasks within the set are accomplished. Like I just said, the achievements API meets both of those needs in the form of instant popup notifications for one-off tasks and being able to view completed achievements at any time, at a system level or in game, in order to view progress towards a larger goal...omniryu posted...How did this get to ten pages?
If you like it then you like it. If you don't then you don't. As long as it is optional.
Because people who aren't affected by it literally can't stop themselves from coming in here to type about how much they hate an optional feature that others enjoy.abear90 posted...You seem to have completely skipped over my point that for large sets of tasks, the player needs some sort of UI progress tracker or immediate feedback when single tasks within the set are accomplished. Like I just said, the achievements API meets both of those needs in the form of instant popup notifications for one-off tasks and being able to view completed achievements at any time, at a system level or in game, in order to view progress towards a larger goal...
You don't need them, they are convenient. The tasks are still entirely doable without the notification. That is my whole point: achievements are just tracking, not necessary for completing tasks and getting rewards. You might argue that it's less motivating or clear without them, but arguing that it's not possible (which you are by saying they are needed) is ridiculous.BladeManEXE posted...abear90 posted...
You seem to have completely skipped over my point that for large sets of tasks, the player needs some sort of UI progress tracker or immediate feedback when single tasks within the set are accomplished. Like I just said, the achievements API meets both of those needs in the form of instant popup notifications for one-off tasks and being able to view completed achievements at any time, at a system level or in game, in order to view progress towards a larger goal...
You don't need them, they are convenient. The tasks are still entirely doable without the notification. That is my whole point: achievements are just tracking, not necessary for completing tasks and getting rewards. You might argue that it's less motivating or clear without them, but arguing that it's not possible (which you are by saying they are needed) is ridiculous.
We must have different definitions of need then. One of the tasks in the Halo example I've been referring to was to complete the last mission of the campaign, with 3 other people, online, on the hardest difficulty setting, with a specific difficulty modifier turned on, with all 4 people finishing the level in a certain vehicle. It is extremely specific and took 4 experienced players several hours to complete. This was one of 3 accomplishments needed to earn the armor set. And you're saying that receiving notification and a way to verify that we've completed this gigantic task is optional? I already said this, but there is no way I would have bothered spending roughly two hours on something that challenging without being able to verify that I've done it to the game's standards after I thought I had completed it.People received backlash for asking about it because they complained as if not having them was a huge problem.
People like me don't care if they're here or not. It's just very annoying when someone talks as if not having a list of pointless little icons and therefore not being congratulated for any stupid s*** you accomplish is a big flaw.
Hopefully Nintendo will at least tie them with My Nintendo and launch them with the Switch category. Then they won't be pointless."Deadpool is just as formulaic the Avengers films it so relentlessly strives not to be."For me, it was never the general inclusion of achievements that I disliked. It was how they made anything and everything into some sort of achievement. This includes normal play of the game, as if you needed some incentive to keep playing to the end besides the game itself. "Complete Chapter One" is one of the most noticeable. "Kill <x> of this enemy" when you'll likely go through 10x of those enemies in a single play through is another. Achievements, to me, are something out of the ordinary, that you'd push yourself to do that some may not care or feel they could. Something that requires effort and/or skill. A super-hard enemy, for example. A long string of hits in a combo where your opponent is flopping all over the place. Completing chapters with just your bare hands in a game that generally changes up weapons that better fit each section.
Think of a game like Joe and Mac on the SNES. A game where you start with basically clubs that do nothing special. In the game, you can acquire weapons that shoot off from your club, like bones, fire, etc, allowing you to kill things with some range. But, instead of getting any of those, you try and beat the game with just your normal club, so you'd have to deal with close-combat the entire time."When you've got no argument, say something bad about <x>."
Perfectly explains why the Nintendo boards are toxic and are full of trolls/haters.abear90 posted...BladeManEXE posted...
abear90 posted...
You seem to have completely skipped over my point that for large sets of tasks, the player needs some sort of UI progress tracker or immediate feedback when single tasks within the set are accomplished. Like I just said, the achievements API meets both of those needs in the form of instant popup notifications for one-off tasks and being able to view completed achievements at any time, at a system level or in game, in order to view progress towards a larger goal...
You don't need them, they are convenient. The tasks are still entirely doable without the notification. That is my whole point: achievements are just tracking, not necessary for completing tasks and getting rewards. You might argue that it's less motivating or clear without them, but arguing that it's not possible (which you are by saying they are needed) is ridiculous.
We must have different definitions of need then. One of the tasks in the Halo example I've been referring to was to complete the last mission of the campaign, with 3 other people, online, on the hardest difficulty setting, with a specific difficulty modifier turned on, with all 4 people finishing the level in a certain vehicle. It is extremely specific and took 4 experienced players several hours to complete. This was one of 3 accomplishments needed to earn the armor set. And you're saying that receiving notification and a way to verify that we've completed this gigantic task is optional? I already said this, but there is no way I would have bothered spending roughly two hours on something that challenging without being able to verify that I've done it to the game's standards after I thought I had completed it.
Yes, it's optional.
Is it less clear what needs to be done or convenient to see if you'd done it? Definitely. But unless you are physically required to look at the achievements and have notifications turned on, it's doable without it. Hence it is absolutely optional. Optional as in "not required or mandatory", the definition of the word (paraphrased from multiple dictionaries).
Whether or not you would have bothered with the task is a completely different argument from the one I've been making.BladeManEXE posted...abear90 posted...
BladeManEXE posted...
abear90 posted...
You seem to have completely skipped over my point that for large sets of tasks, the player needs some sort of UI progress tracker or immediate feedback when single tasks within the set are accomplished. Like I just said, the achievements API meets both of those needs in the form of instant popup notifications for one-off tasks and being able to view completed achievements at any time, at a system level or in game, in order to view progress towards a larger goal...
You don't need them, they are convenient. The tasks are still entirely doable without the notification. That is my whole point: achievements are just tracking, not necessary for completing tasks and getting rewards. You might argue that it's less motivating or clear without them, but arguing that it's not possible (which you are by saying they are needed) is ridiculous.
We must have different definitions of need then. One of the tasks in the Halo example I've been referring to was to complete the last mission of the campaign, with 3 other people, online, on the hardest difficulty setting, with a specific difficulty modifier turned on, with all 4 people finishing the level in a certain vehicle. It is extremely specific and took 4 experienced players several hours to complete. This was one of 3 accomplishments needed to earn the armor set. And you're saying that receiving notification and a way to verify that we've completed this gigantic task is optional? I already said this, but there is no way I would have bothered spending roughly two hours on something that challenging without being able to verify that I've done it to the game's standards after I thought I had completed it.
Yes, it's optional.
Is it less clear what needs to be done or convenient to see if you'd done it? Definitely. But unless you are physically required to look at the achievements and have notifications turned on, it's doable without it. Hence it is absolutely optional. Optional as in "not required or mandatory", the definition of the word (paraphrased from multiple dictionaries).
Whether or not you would have bothered with the task is a completely different argument from the one I've been making.
I don't know if you've noticed this, but words have different meanings depending on context. Technically having access to running water is "optional" to survive, but you would be hard pressed to find someone in a first world country calling that "optional" in any sense. Nothing is truly "mandatory" in gaming, but there are little conveniences that make the experience actually tolerable, and that, to me, is the category that this whole thing falls under. I would prefer the streamlined, convenient approach over a game that wastes my time. And that's all this really comes down to in the end.DiscostewSM posted...For me, it was never the general inclusion of achievements that I disliked. It was how they made anything and everything into some sort of achievement. This includes normal play of the game, as if you needed some incentive to keep playing to the end besides the game itself. "Complete Chapter One" is one of the most noticeable. "Kill <x> of this enemy" when you'll likely go through 10x of those enemies in a single play through is another. Achievements, to me, are something out of the ordinary, that you'd push yourself to do that some may not care or feel they could. Something that requires effort and/or skill. A super-hard enemy, for example. A long string of hits in a combo where your opponent is flopping all over the place. Completing chapters with just your bare hands in a game that generally changes up weapons that better fit each section.
Think of a game like Joe and Mac on the SNES. A game where you start with basically clubs that do nothing special. In the game, you can acquire weapons that shoot off from your club, like bones, fire, etc, allowing you to kill things with some range. But, instead of getting any of those, you try and beat the game with just your normal club, so you'd have to deal with close-combat the entire time.
But there are stats out there that show that people don't even beat the game. Let's take a game like the first Uncharted on the PS3, which wasn't a long game. According to the console's trophy stats (not PSN Profiles), only 37.3% of people beat the game on Easy difficulty. PSNProfiles has almost 550k owners with that game on their list, so the number is definitely a lot higher in real life. Now, this isn't the true number of people who have beaten the game, as not everyone has access to internet and can sync their trophies, but it still shows that less than 50% of the people beat the game.
Other than that, though, I do agree that achievements that are actually challenging are better. One of my proudest platinums on the PS3 was for Mirror's Edge and those time trials in that game could prove to be a pain.PSN: Akimitsu782Mandrew257 posted...SPDShadowRanger posted...
Mandrew257 posted...
This is something I've been asking for since before the Wii U came out. And for some reason, was always met with backlash.
Because they add nothing to the game.
Not caring for them is one thing. Being completely against it not coming to the system is another thing. They also don't affect the people complaining about them. You can even disable them on PS3/4 and XBOX.
some kids just like to b**** about everything. Especially if MS and Sony did it first.[RSG] Red Screen Gaming
YELARAKARighty256k posted...Just like region lock fanboys
These people don't exist.
abear90 posted...
As I pointed out to someone else, the achievements were the only way to get the in-game reward, which makes them by definition meaningful.
No. It just makes it a needless middleman. They could have just programmed it into the game by itself without the achievement system.FC: 1977 - 0616 - 0040
Gallant was hereGallantChaddymn posted...Righty256k posted...
Just like region lock fanboys
These people don't exist.
Pretty sure that exactly two people on this board would try to defend it, with one of them only typing single sentences and ending about half of them with ellipses.Indie games aren't 3rd party games- TalesRevenant
You give Sony $60. They refund you $60. You give them $60 again. That's $120 to Sony. - Someone on this siteDiscostewSM posted...For me, it was never the general inclusion of achievements that I disliked. It was how they made anything and everything into some sort of achievement. This includes normal play of the game, as if you needed some incentive to keep playing to the end besides the game itself. "Complete Chapter One" is one of the most noticeable. "Kill <x> of this enemy" when you'll likely go through 10x of those enemies in a single play through is another. Achievements, to me, are something out of the ordinary, that you'd push yourself to do that some may not care or feel they could. Something that requires effort and/or skill. A super-hard enemy, for example. A long string of hits in a combo where your opponent is flopping all over the place. Completing chapters with just your bare hands in a game that generally changes up weapons that better fit each section.
Think of a game like Joe and Mac on the SNES. A game where you start with basically clubs that do nothing special. In the game, you can acquire weapons that shoot off from your club, like bones, fire, etc, allowing you to kill things with some range. But, instead of getting any of those, you try and beat the game with just your normal club, so you'd have to deal with close-combat the entire time.
Finally, Someone gets it.FC: 1977 - 0616 - 0040
Gallant was heredancing_cactuar posted...GallantChaddymn posted...
Righty256k posted...
Just like region lock fanboys
These people don't exist.
Pretty sure that exactly two people on this board would try to defend it, with one of them only typing single sentences and ending about half of them with ellipses.
Even assuming these people you speak of are real, they aren't defending region locking. They would just be defending X platform that still has it.
People's opinions of achievements aren't tied to platform. There is an argument to actually be had, unlike regionlocking which was just anti consumer.FC: 1977 - 0616 - 0040
Gallant was hereomniryu posted...How did this get to ten pages?
If you like it then you like it. If you don't then you don't. As long as it is optional.
Probably because Nintendo fanatics have been starved of basic features for so long that they enjoy being 2-3 gens behind and calling their experience "unique".#1 Paper Mario fan on this website. GOAT series (2001-2007) http://i.imgur.com/Aemgqnt.pngJamaicaMistake posted...omniryu posted...
How did this get to ten pages?
If you like it then you like it. If you don't then you don't. As long as it is optional.
Probably because Nintendo fanatics have been starved of basic features for so long that they enjoy being 2-3 gens behind and calling their experience "unique".
Achievements really are quite the advancement. I've stopped watching movies until cinemas implement an achievement system. Made it through the first ten minutes of Apocalypse Now? Gold star.
Why are art galleries so behind the times? They're 100 gens behind and calling their experience "unique".
I played tennis for 2 hours yesterday and didn't leave with a single achievement; what is this archaic s***? Disappointed! Also, why isn't there a better streaming option? It's so convoluted, I had to tie my phone to the fence so that my twitch subs could watch the match. Fix this, tennis.LuigiFan835 posted...And if it does happen, there will be countless topics of people begging Nintendo to remove achievements. f***ing bulls***.
Well if they listen to all the whining and crying to add them, it would only be fair to listen to the others too :PPS4 Pro - Elite Dangerous, Legendary edition - Current ship: Anaconda
Doing: Outfitting my new Anaconda for Exploration | Server: SoloMaybe achievements would make slogging through BotW's boring overworld more rewarding.Holy hell... are people really this desperate for some sort of recognition for doing things in a game? I thought golden star stickers phases were only for kindergarten stages.Gamefaqs users in one article:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-behaviors-modern-world-only-making-worse/Stefan1277 posted...Holy hell... are people really this desperate for some sort of recognition for doing things in a game? I thought golden star stickers phases were only for kindergarten stages.
Or they just want a feature everyone else has. Imagine that.PS4 - Because it was the next gen console i was the most interested in.
Warrior - Because i usually pick the Warrior class in MMORPGs when i played them.PS4Warrior posted...Stefan1277 posted...
Holy hell... are people really this desperate for some sort of recognition for doing things in a game? I thought golden star stickers phases were only for kindergarten stages.
Or they just want a feature everyone else has. Imagine that.
Considering how often they b**** over it as a needed feature really doesn't help"He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!"Baha05 posted...PS4Warrior posted...
Stefan1277 posted...
Holy hell... are people really this desperate for some sort of recognition for doing things in a game? I thought golden star stickers phases were only for kindergarten stages.
Or they just want a feature everyone else has. Imagine that.
Considering how often they b**** over it as a needed feature really doesn't help
It looks to be working so it doesn't hurt either.PS4 - Because it was the next gen console i was the most interested in.
Warrior - Because i usually pick the Warrior class in MMORPGs when i played them.PS4Warrior posted...Baha05 posted...
PS4Warrior posted...
Stefan1277 posted...
Holy hell... are people really this desperate for some sort of recognition for doing things in a game? I thought golden star stickers phases were only for kindergarten stages.
Or they just want a feature everyone else has. Imagine that.
Considering how often they b**** over it as a needed feature really doesn't help
It looks to be working so it doesn't hurt either.
That would be under the assumption that they are doing it for the fans request and not just for the sake of a feature"He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!"Baha05 posted...PS4Warrior posted...
Stefan1277 posted...
Holy hell... are people really this desperate for some sort of recognition for doing things in a game? I thought golden star stickers phases were only for kindergarten stages.
Or they just want a feature everyone else has. Imagine that.
Considering how often they b**** over it as a needed feature really doesn't help
You b**** over people asking for stuff far more than anyone else in the entire Internet combined."Links to GameFAQs statistics is trolling. It doesn't matter the ToU says nothing about that. I decided it is and it is upheld." - GameFAQs modBaha05 posted...PS4Warrior posted...
Baha05 posted...
PS4Warrior posted...
Stefan1277 posted...
Holy hell... are people really this desperate for some sort of recognition for doing things in a game? I thought golden star stickers phases were only for kindergarten stages.
Or they just want a feature everyone else has. Imagine that.
Considering how often they b**** over it as a needed feature really doesn't help
It looks to be working so it doesn't hurt either.
That would be under the assumption that they are doing it for the fans request and not just for the sake of a feature
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
So they are implementing it just for the sake of the feature and not because fans want it? Baha, do you even know how a business works?"Links to GameFAQs statistics is trolling. It doesn't matter the ToU says nothing about that. I decided it is and it is upheld." - GameFAQs modA trophy system would be cool.Fauch posted...Baha05 seems to be ready to prepare for the transition from "Well, no one should force devs to implement achievements" to "well in this case, it's different, because...".
Indeed. He already has the perfect excuse for why Nintendo will implement those filthy trophies. It's not because they listened to those "whiny crybabies", of course not. They wouldn't put themselves down and taint their dignity like that. It's because they simply wanna add more features. They are adding for the sake of adding. You see, Nintendo isn't like other business that aim to please their customers. Nintendo is superior to that. They do whatever they wanna do. f*** what everyone else thinks. KING!"Links to GameFAQs statistics is trolling. It doesn't matter the ToU says nothing about that. I decided it is and it is upheld." - GameFAQs modFauch posted...Baha05 seems to be ready to prepare for the transition from "Well, no one should force devs to implement achievements" to "well in this case, it's different, because...".
Well I sure hope the system if they are making one is optional. It should be on developers rather or not they want to utilize the feature."He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!"The biggest problem is consumers outlook on games for their trophies and not for the game itself.
Yeah, the internet is full of lots of trolls and keyboard warriors, but they still raise Cain if things don't go there way. Case in point, Sonic Mania. I dunno how many, "I'm not getting this game on PS4!" threads I've seen because Mania doesn't have a platinum trophy! To hell with how good the game may be (actually is in this case). No shiny trophy, no game. Sadhonestly I don't want switch to have achievements. Not because I don't want them. Mostly because I see Nintendo making devs lock some achievements behind amiibos. -_-. Want to platinum a game? Well you have to use this amiibo to get this in game item and use this in game item (THAT IS ONLY OBTAINABLE WITH A CERTAIN AMIIBO) to do this particular task.If you can't play a video game without kindergarten ego sticker trophies, you are not a gamer. Period.
I swear modern day gaming is so s***.
Do I need an achievement...
Going to the bathroom?
Going to work?
Going to get my paycheck?
Going to buy food?
Going to the gym?
Going to hangout with friends?
Going to f*** a college snowbunny?
No, I don't. Why? Because nobody gives a living s*** unless it's your family and close friends/school teachers."My Theories Will Cure You!"genesis145 posted...Mostly because I see Nintendo making devs lock some achievements behind amiibos.
That's highly unlikely. Even if it's a exclusive, devs will always think ahead and consider the possibility of porting that game to other consoles eventually. They'd have to create new trophies for that, and I don't think they care so much about Amiibos to actually have that extra work in the future."Links to GameFAQs statistics is trolling. It doesn't matter the ToU says nothing about that. I decided it is and it is upheld." - GameFAQs modLinetrix posted...genesis145 posted...
Mostly because I see Nintendo making devs lock some achievements behind amiibos.
That's highly unlikely. Even if it's a exclusive, devs will always think ahead and consider the possibility of porting that game to other consoles eventually. They'd have to create new trophies for that, and I don't think they care so much about Amiibos to actually have that extra work in the future.
They had skyrim of all games use amiibos....idk if that was the devs choice or Nintendo but if it was Nintendo I see them forcing that with achievements.Baha05 posted...PS4Warrior posted...
Baha05 posted...
PS4Warrior posted...
Stefan1277 posted...
Holy hell... are people really this desperate for some sort of recognition for doing things in a game? I thought golden star stickers phases were only for kindergarten stages.
Or they just want a feature everyone else has. Imagine that.
Considering how often they b**** over it as a needed feature really doesn't help
It looks to be working so it doesn't hurt either.
That would be under the assumption that they are doing it for the fans request and not just for the sake of a feature
If they were doing it as a feature it would have already been on the Wii U or the Switch. Same with stopping the region locking. People complained and Nintendo listened.PS4 - Because it was the next gen console i was the most interested in.
Warrior - Because i usually pick the Warrior class in MMORPGs when i played them.- Boards
- Nintendo Switch
- Rumor: Nintendo Switch might be getting an achievement system!!!
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