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Grand Theft Online just had its best money-making quarter ever

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Darmik 2 days ago#1
https://venturebeat.com/2017/08/02/grand-theft-online-just-had-its-best-money-making-quarter-ever/

Grand Theft Auto V has been out for almost four years, but its online component is still Take-Two‘s big money-maker. In fact, Grand Theft Auto Online just had its best quarter yet.

Take-Two noted today in its earnings report for the first quarter of fiscal year 2018 that Grand Theft Auto Online exceeded net sales expectations and was the single largest contributor to recurrent consumer spending. GTA Online is an open world multiplayer game where you can earn digital cash through playing, which you can then use to buy things likes clothes and cars. But you can also spend real money to pad your virtual wallet.

Grand Theft Auto Online helped to drive Take-Two’s net sales for the quarter to $348.3 million, up 28 percent. A whopping 94 percent of that, $326.2 million, came from back catalog games, mostly Grand Theft Auto V and NBA 2K17.


God damn
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Blue_Inigo 2 days ago#2
Fucking micro transaction whales. Other companies are going to copy this
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Kid_Buu 2 days ago#4
.... how?
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Vicious_Dios 2 days ago#5
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fucking micro transaction whales. Other companies are going to copy this


Suckers with money, I tell you hwuat.
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Darmik 2 days ago#6
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fucking micro transaction whales. Other companies are going to copy this


They already are. Look at EA and Ubisoft.
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Frolex 2 days ago#7
Kid_Buu posted...
.... how?


They've added more f2p features (paywalls, waiting times that can be skipped with cash) with every update
AlecSkorpio 2 days ago#8
You know, I wouldn't even be that upset if GTA Online wasn't so lazy and fucking boring.

Who cares if the updates are "free" when all it adds are more overpowered vehicles and the same exact unbalanced PVP missions?

I feel like I'm a pretty hardcore GTA fan and I just can't stomach the game anymore. It's just not fun
Axiom 2 days ago#9
Thanks for ensuring all their future games turn into cash grabs existing solely to sell game money @Every sucker that ever bought a shark card
What kills me is when people defend it. 

They usually say it's how everything stays "free" (it isn't) and that it would split the player base if they did it any other way (Payday 2 proves that's not true at all)

Quite honestly, I would rather pay for DLC expansions than go with the microtransaction nonsense. As is you have to pay around 50 bucks or grind the most boring shit forever just to get access to the basics.
Kid_Buu 2 days ago#11
What do shark cards do exactly
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I4NRulez 2 days ago#12
Kid_Buu posted...
What do shark cards do exactly


They give you more in game cash
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Gamer99z 2 days ago#14
Kid_Buu posted...
.... how?

The cost of new stuff in game has inflated insanely since it came out but payouts for stuff haven't really gone up. And they've recently even gotten to a point where if you want to but [expensive thing] you also need to buy [expensive thing] first so you can't even split things between friends the same as you could before anyone. 
And spending $20 only gets you 1.25m iirc which is nothing in GTA now, at launch it was enough to get the best car in the game and have some money to spare, now it's not even half of the cost of the fastest car and it's a fraction of the cost of other cool stuff like the Knight Rider car.

If you actually want to buy all if it and not spend literally hundreds of hours grinding, you pretty much don't have an option but to drop the $80 or whatever on the 8.5m shark card and there's tons of impulsive kid who wants everything right then, and older people who don't have the time to grind for that long and just like playing for an hour or two with some friends after a long busy day.
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It's sad. There's a system that will get you about a million dollars every two and a half hours, but it's the most mind numbingly boring two and a half hours you're going to play and god help you if you fuck up just one tiny bit of it or someone decides to just jump in a fighter jet or rocket cycle with missiles and fuck your session up.
Gamer99z 1 day ago#16
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
It's sad. There's a system that will get you about a million dollars every two and a half hours, but it's the most mind numbingly boring two and a half hours you're going to play and god help you if you fuck up just one tiny bit of it or someone decides to just jump in a fighter jet or rocket cycle with missiles and fuck your session up.

The cargo missions? Those suck so fucking hard, even doing them in a solo session.
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Gamer99z posted...
The cargo missions? Those suck so f***ing hard, even doing them in a solo session.


It's not just them, but yeah everything they've done since then has sucked ass. Every mission is basically go across map, pick up thing, go back across map.

The system I was taught is basically this.

1. Buy supplies for Bunker
2. Buy supplies for coke warehouse (or whatever most expensive warehouse you have)
3. Do Headhunter
3. Steal Car for warehouse (beforehand fill warehouse with low and mid range cars so you ONLY get high end cars)
4. Sell car
5. During 20 minute cooldown, do headhunter and steal another car. Do this until you reach 600k
6. Sell weapons
7. Sell drugs

Then you come out with a little over 1,000,000. 700k of which is profit. The problem is that it is the most boring shit ever and high risk if you don't lag yourself into a solo public session.
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DarthAragorn posted...
Rockstar as we knew them is dead. RDR2 single player is going to be garbage while they just cash in with railroad bonds.


Our only hope is that either Rockstar can't think of anything compelling to sell in RDR2 or nobody cares enough to buy it and they think the whole microtransaction train has faded.
And people are excited for RDR2 lol. There will be much butthurt when it's microtransaction city.
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BENGHAZl 1 day ago#22
RIP GTA single player
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Rockstar as we knew them is dead. RDR2 single player is going to be garbage while they just cash in with railroad bonds.


Our only hope is that either Rockstar can't think of anything compelling to sell in RDR2 or nobody cares enough to buy it and they think the whole microtransaction train has faded.

There's no chance of those happening :(
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voldothegr8 posted...
And people are excited for RDR2 lol. There will be much butthurt when it's microtransaction city.


I honestly can't even imagine how bad it will get. I want to hold out hope that there isn't possibly anything they could possibly sell in a wild west setting like with GTA, but then I think they're just going to go bottom of the barrel and literally EVERYTHING will be for sale and overpriced.
DarthAragorn posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Rockstar as we knew them is dead. RDR2 single player is going to be garbage while they just cash in with railroad bonds.


Our only hope is that either Rockstar can't think of anything compelling to sell in RDR2 or nobody cares enough to buy it and they think the whole microtransaction train has faded.

There's no chance of those happening :(


i dunno. red dead redemption sold well enough and was a critial darling, but it wasn't on the level of GTA. 

honestly, nothing else rockstar has has been on the level of GTA. 

a lot of people say GTA Online will die with RDR2's release, but I actually think it's a possibility that GTA Online will be supported with additions up until GTA VI comes out because it's the golden goose.
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
And people are excited for RDR2 lol. There will be much butthurt when it's microtransaction city.


I honestly can't even imagine how bad it will get. I want to hold out hope that there isn't possibly anything they could possibly sell in a wild west setting like with GTA, but then I think they're just going to go bottom of the barrel and literally EVERYTHING will be for sale and overpriced.

What was it the Take Two asshole said? "GTAV is under monetized"

Yeah, not looking good for RDR2
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Fucking micro transaction whales. Other companies are going to copy this

Rockstar didn't invent micro transactions. I hate it but when a game like Candy Crush or Clash of Clans makes millions off of a free game, you bet your ass others are gonna take notice. Blame those who spend money on this fucking bullshit, not the business who takes advantage of it.

If I could somehow add micro transactions to my sales, I sell LED lights, you bet your ass I would.
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the funny thing is when you find out some former rockstar north developer says that gta online was never supposed to be like this but was supposed to be how it was at first release

but like, the game was complete dogshit then too.

the only thing good that came out of gta online was heists but good luck finding anybody who is decent at them or even plays them anymore
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JM_14_GOW 1 day ago#31
I fear for how guttered and raped rdr 2 online is gonna be. You probably buy some bonds or whatever the equivalent of shark cards are gonna be.
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Mormaurd 1 day ago#32
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iamintents 1 day ago#33
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fucking micro transaction whales. Other companies are going to copy this
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AlephZero 1 day ago#36
rest in peace red dead redemption 2

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Jabodie 1 day ago#39
GTA Online was always garbage. I just don't understand.
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Romulox28 1 day ago#40
Swagnificent119 posted...
a lot of people say GTA Online will die with RDR2's release, but I actually think it's a possibility that GTA Online will be supported with additions up until GTA VI comes out because it's the golden goose.

there is no possible way that GTA Online will die when RDR2 comes out, the game has sold like a billion copies lol
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iamintents posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fucking micro transaction whales. Other companies are going to copy this

And why wouldn't they? If our fellow gamers are willing to buy this stuff in the millions, why wouldn't a company take advantage of it? Believe me, I fucking hate Shark Cards and I refuse to spend a damn cent in them. However, as a business I understand it, I don't like it but I don't blame them when so many are so willing to buy them. If everyone just said no we wouldn't be here, in this pay to win format. It sucks
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Can't wait for RDR2. 10 hour single player and a MP where you can pay to get a transformer.
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YellowSUV 1 day ago#43
I don't understand how the online is so popular when it uses shitty P2P connections and the PSX era loading times.
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Darmik 1 day ago#44
YellowSUV posted...
I don't understand how the online is so popular when it uses shitty P2P connections and the PSX era loading times.


Probably because the game has sold like 75 million. Even if only 10% of those players play regularly that's a huge userbase.
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Jabodie 1 day ago#46
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
GTA 5 is the first in the series I played and I absolutely loved the single player. I was expecting at least one great expansion/DLC. Its depressing that it just ended at that and I've had no reason to pick up the game again.

Back in the day they promised single player DLC.

But shark cards said no.
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Jabodie posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
GTA 5 is the first in the series I played and I absolutely loved the single player. I was expecting at least one great expansion/DLC. Its depressing that it just ended at that and I've had no reason to pick up the game again.

Back in the day they promised single player DLC.

But shark cards said no.


Unfortunately, they delivered on their promises of single player DLC. Last gen received all the cars and weapons the Online got and next/current gen got more cars and the Micheal crime bullshit. In their eyes, we got single player DLC. No doubt we expected LatD/BoGT style DLC but we didn't.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/170468-Take-Two-CEO-Company-is-Under-Monetizing-its-Users

And you know what Take Two themselves reaction to this was? It's NOT enough in fact their CEO claimed they're "under monetizing " their userbase.

This just shows the levels of insatiable avarice infecting publishers, no amount is ever enough. That even though they made literally billions of a single game release they want even more.
poop_corn 1 day ago#50
more like grind theft auto
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    HBKick18 1 day ago#51
    I really hope RDR2 proves all of us wrong but R* would have to be stupid not to include even more microtransactions. I don't think we'll see a game as good as GTA V or RDR again when they know they can just half ass it and still make hundreds of millions.
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    HBKick18 posted...
    . I don't think we'll see a game as good as GTA V or RDR again when they know they can just half ass it and still make hundreds of millions.

    Why does nobody here seem understand the difference between publishers and developers?

    Rockstar themselves probably saw not a single penny from the GTA Online's microtransactions all of that went straight to the pockets of the executives at their parent company and publisher Take Two Interactive 

    Rockstar is full of passionate developers who want nothing more than to make amazing games for people to enjoy but they're permanently enthralled to their corporate overlords at Take Two and have to do everything told by them.

    So if RDR2 turns out to be a half assed microtransaction shop then that is entirely on the head of Take Two who dictated that
    ZombiePelican posted...
    HBKick18 posted...
    . I don't think we'll see a game as good as GTA V or RDR again when they know they can just half ass it and still make hundreds of millions.

    Why does nobody here seem understand the difference between publishers and developers?

    Rockstar themselves probably saw not a single penny from the GTA Online's microtransactions all of that went straight to the pockets of the executives at their parent company and publisher Take Two Interactive 

    Rockstar is full of passionate developers who want nothing more than to make amazing games for people to enjoy but they're permanently enthralled to their corporate overlords at Take Two and have to do everything told by them.

    So if RDR2 turns out to be a half assed microtransaction shop then that is entirely on the head of Take Two who dictated that

    This, R* is more pro consumer than most devs. They've fought Take Two many times when they crack down on mods and they probably don't get much of a cut from Take Two's greedy shark card money. But ultimately Take Two has final say and they're going to ruin RDR2 with greed.
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    Jabodie 1 day ago#54
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Why does nobody here seem understand the difference between publishers and developers?

    Rockstar themselves probably saw not a single penny from the GTA Online's microtransactions all of that went straight to the pockets of the executives at their parent company and publisher Take Two Interactive

    Rockstar is full of passionate developers who want nothing more than to make amazing games for people to enjoy but they're permanently enthralled to their corporate overlords at Take Two and have to do everything told by them.

    So if RDR2 turns out to be a half assed microtransaction shop then that is entirely on the head of Take Two who dictated that

    Ultimately, what difference does it make if the end result is that Rockstar puts out trash?

    And if R* is full of these passionate developers, you can guarantee they will leave the company until it is a shell of its former self in due time if Take Two continues to make them develop trash.
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    Jabodie posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Why does nobody here seem understand the difference between publishers and developers?

    Rockstar themselves probably saw not a single penny from the GTA Online's microtransactions all of that went straight to the pockets of the executives at their parent company and publisher Take Two Interactive

    Rockstar is full of passionate developers who want nothing more than to make amazing games for people to enjoy but they're permanently enthralled to their corporate overlords at Take Two and have to do everything told by them.

    So if RDR2 turns out to be a half assed microtransaction shop then that is entirely on the head of Take Two who dictated that

    Ultimately, what difference does it make if the end result is that Rockstar puts out trash?

    And if R* is full of these passionate developers, you can guarantee they will leave the company until it is a shell of its former self in due time if Take Two continues to make them develop trash.


    Most already left and got jobs at Leslie Benzies new studio IIRC

    People like to defend Rockstar even though Rockstar isn't what it used to be, especially not Rockstar North which had a complete change in direction and staff when Leslie Benzies left.
    Back_Stabbath 18 hours ago#56
    D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
    Gamer99z posted...
    The cargo missions? Those suck so f***ing hard, even doing them in a solo session.


    It's not just them, but yeah everything they've done since then has sucked ass. Every mission is basically go across map, pick up thing, go back across map.

    The system I was taught is basically this.

    1. Buy supplies for Bunker
    2. Buy supplies for coke warehouse (or whatever most expensive warehouse you have)
    3. Do Headhunter
    3. Steal Car for warehouse (beforehand fill warehouse with low and mid range cars so you ONLY get high end cars)
    4. Sell car
    5. During 20 minute cooldown, do headhunter and steal another car. Do this until you reach 600k
    6. Sell weapons
    7. Sell drugs

    Then you come out with a little over 1,000,000. 700k of which is profit. The problem is that it is the most boring shit ever and high risk if you don't lag yourself into a solo public session.

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    MabusIncarnate 18 hours ago#57
    I still play GTA online weekly. My canuck friend likes it, so I tend to play with him.
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    It's sad seeing Rockstar going down this path. Microtransactions were supposed to be something they made fun of, not fall victim to themselves.

    I never thought I'd see the day where I WASN'T shitting my pants at the thought of a new Rockstar game. I wonder if the lackluster single player mode is connected to microtransactions. I mean, there's nothing much to do after the story, fewer story missions (especially if you take out heist setups), and almost none of the missions reward you (which was my biggest gripe). None of these are problems in Online.

    If RDR2 is more of the same, I'm done with Rockstar. If they fail, then Ubisoft is there to pick up most of the slack. Yeah, they're flawed and they'll never measure up to Rockstar at its prime, but they regularly make decent-quality single player sandboxes, are listening to criticism, and their microtransactions usually give permanent items.
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    Kirby 17 hours ago#59
    There's only one party to blame for this, the consumer.
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    voldothegr8 11 hours ago#60
    Kirby posted...
    There's only one party to blame for this, the consumer.

    It takes two to tango and greedy ass companies are just as at fault.
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    gatorsPENSbucs 11 hours ago#61
    Blue_Inigo posted...
    Fucking micro transaction whales. Other companies are going to copy this

    How many other companies are putting out games that stay fresh for 4 years? 

    I bet there's a lot of people who's main game is grand theft auto, so if they aren't buying multiple games a year why not spend some money on the 1 game they play.
    D-Lo_BrownTown 43 minutes ago#62
    gatorsPENSbucs posted...
    How many other companies are putting out games that stay fresh for 4 years?


    Fresh is the last thing I'd think of when it comes to GTA Online. Every update is the exact same except with a new coat of paint.
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    Spooking 42 minutes ago#63
    RockStar deserves it, tbh. Probably the top developer that actually cares about their games. Every single pixel.
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    Kisai 36 minutes ago#64
    And yet, for some reason, they couldn't pay Niko's voice actor when he asked for a higher pay.
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    D-Lo_BrownTown 35 minutes ago#65
    Kisai posted...
    And yet, for some reason, they couldn't pay Niko's voice actor when he asked for a higher pay.


    He didn't even ask for higher pay IIRC. He just talked about how the union wasn't fighting for higher pay and royalties and for some reason everyone fucking crucified him.

    Now everyone is all for voice actors getting more shit.
    Gamer99z 2 minutes ago#66
    D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
    gatorsPENSbucs posted...
    How many other companies are putting out games that stay fresh for 4 years?


    Fresh is the last thing I'd think of when it comes to GTA Online. Every update is the exact same except with a new coat of paint.

    That's only how the special cargo, vehicle cargo, gunrunning, and MC updates have been, although the MC did have some other stuff to it as well.
    The fact that this news is true shows that it has in fact stayed fresh after 4 years. If people didn't feel like it has stayed fresh then they wouldn't be making so much money and have so many players still.
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