Friday, August 11, 2017

Is Final Fantasy VII coming to switch?

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gafemaqs 21 hours ago#1
Even after Nintendo did square the favor of putting Cloud in Smash, they're not bringing FF7 Remake to Switch?

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ikki5 21 hours ago#2
Pretty sure it was Nintendo that wanted Cloud.
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Link01588 21 hours ago#3
Like FFVIIR is actually coming out anytime soon. That game will be in development hell for a long time.
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Thrasher7170 21 hours ago#4
Link01588 posted...
Like FFVIIR is actually coming out anytime soon. That game will be in development hell for a long time.

This. By the time it drops, it'll be a PS5 title.
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gafemaqs 21 hours ago#5
Link01588 posted...
Like FFVIIR is actually coming out anytime soon. That game will be in development hell for a long time.

Umm. So?

This topic is about when or if it is coming to Nintendo's console
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monkmith 21 hours ago#6
who knows. it very well could come to the switch, but square is being stingy as hell with info on ff7 and kh3.
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DrProfessor 21 hours ago#7
gafemaqs posted...
Link01588 posted...
Like FFVIIR is actually coming out anytime soon. That game will be in development hell for a long time.

Umm. So?

This topic is about when or if it is coming to Nintendo's console
It's not.

/thread
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Kaeporo 21 hours ago#8
Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.
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YellowThunder 21 hours ago#9
It's never coming to any system.
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gafemaqs 21 hours ago#10
Kaeporo posted...
Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run
doutforharambe 21 hours ago#11
It never really made sense to put cloud in smash. He made more sense in ps all stars. At least with snake there was that twin snakes game on gamecube.
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Sir_Frederick 21 hours ago#12
How about a couple of game collections? FF 1-6 and 7-9 would be grand. I don't know if Square can do that with the PS1 games but it would be great if they could.
gafemaqs 21 hours ago#13
doutforharambe posted...
It never really made sense to put cloud in smash. He made more sense in ps all stars. At least with snake there was that twin snakes game on gamecube.

I agree. Final Fantasy, despite being on NES originally, is typically associated with Sony.
Zack_Attackv1 21 hours ago#14
Because it would need to actually exist to begin with? 

Duh?
Avocado 21 hours ago#15
Given that Final Fantasy 15 isn't coming to the Switch due to technical restraints and Final Fantasy 7 Remake is based off the same engine, I highly doubt the remake will come to the Switch.
gafemaqs 21 hours ago#16
Zack_Attackv1 posted...
Because it would need to actually exist to begin with? 

Duh?

Though it doesn't need to exist to be announced for PS4? 

Sound logic.
Ljynk84 21 hours ago#17
By the time KH3 and FF7R comes out we would already be halfway into PS7's lifecycle and even that's being generous and speaking of remakes we need one for Super Mario RPG
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DarthSloth5555 21 hours ago#18
gafemaqs posted...
Kaeporo posted...
Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


FFVII ...a mediocre game? Wtf!?
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Kyoshiro12345 21 hours ago#19
DarthSloth5555 posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Kaeporo posted...
Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


FFVII ...a mediocre game? Wtf!?

we are not talking about advent children or dirge of Cerberus, we are talking about the ps1 game, correct, is mediocre to bad.
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DarthSloth5555 21 hours ago#20
Kyoshiro12345 posted...
DarthSloth5555 posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Kaeporo posted...
Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


FFVII ...a mediocre game? Wtf!?

we are not talking about advent children or dirge of Cerberus, we are talking about the ps1 game, correct, is mediocre to bad.


Okay... I disagree with this very, very strongly.

Question: Did any of you play it when it was new?

I'm betting the answer is no...
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DiscostewSM 21 hours ago#21
Avocado posted...
Given that Final Fantasy 15 isn't coming to the Switch due to technical restraints and Final Fantasy 7 Remake is based off the same engine, I highly doubt the remake will come to the Switch.

FFXV was built on SE's in-house engine Luminous, which SE is basically abandoning in favor for UE4. FFVIIR is built on UE4, which Switch already supports.
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hyperdimeduck 21 hours ago#22
Avocado posted...
Given that Final Fantasy 15 isn't coming to the Switch due to technical restraints and Final Fantasy 7 Remake is based off the same engine, I highly doubt the remake will come to the Switch.

7R uses UE4 not luminous.
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Kyoshiro12345 20 hours ago#23
DarthSloth5555 posted...
Kyoshiro12345 posted...
DarthSloth5555 posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Kaeporo posted...
Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


FFVII ...a mediocre game? Wtf!?

we are not talking about advent children or dirge of Cerberus, we are talking about the ps1 game, correct, is mediocre to bad.


Okay... I disagree with this very, very strongly.

Question: Did any of you play it when it was new?

I'm betting the answer is no...

i am 30 so yes, saved working a part time after school for a year to buy a ps1 with the game on my own.
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Thrasher7170 20 hours ago#24
DarthSloth5555 posted...
Kyoshiro12345 posted...
DarthSloth5555 posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Kaeporo posted...
Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


FFVII ...a mediocre game? Wtf!?

we are not talking about advent children or dirge of Cerberus, we are talking about the ps1 game, correct, is mediocre to bad.


Okay... I disagree with this very, very strongly.

Question: Did any of you play it when it was new?

I'm betting the answer is no...

This is legitimately the worst argument on the world. When something is new and flashy, of course it seems good. But if it doesn't hold up, then is it really that good? FF7 is one example, a game that I wouldn't continue to play because of poor graphics and s***ty controls. OoT is another.
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Starwars4J 20 hours ago#25
By the time FFVII comes out it will be on the Switch's successor. Either way it's probably coming to a Nintendo system. Remember it isn't Sony exclusive, it's just a timed exclusive.
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DarthSloth5555 20 hours ago#26
@Thrasher7170 It wasn't an augment, it was a question. I really don't think the difference is all that elusive.
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Thrasher7170 20 hours ago#27
DarthSloth5555 posted...
@Thrasher7170 It wasn't an augment, it was a question. I really don't think the difference is all that elusive.

Apologies if that wasn't your intention, but the astounding number of people who use that exact same setup as the lead in to an argument is frustrating.
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gafemaqs 20 hours ago#28
Starwars4J posted...
By the time FFVII comes out it will be on the Switch's successor. Either way it's probably coming to a Nintendo system. Remember it isn't Sony exclusive, it's just a timed exclusive.

I know it's timed exclusive which means the Switch is not precluded from getting the game, but we also don't know for a fact it's happening.
DarthSloth5555 20 hours ago#29
Thrasher7170 posted...
DarthSloth5555 posted...
@Thrasher7170 It wasn't an augment, it was a question. I really don't think the difference is all that elusive.

Apologies if that wasn't your intention, but the astounding number of people who use that exact same setup as the lead in to an argument is frustrating.

Fair enough. I only meant to ascertain whether or not I was discussing the game with people who had experienced it when it was the cool new thing, or with people who hadn't. 

I'll admit that nostalgia makes me think much more highly of the game than it probably deserves.
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JustABox 20 hours ago#30
Ljynk84 posted...
By the time KH3 and FF7R comes out we would already be halfway into PS7's lifecycle and even that's being generous and speaking of remakes we need one for Super Mario RPG

Square Enix said 2018 for KH3 recently.
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ssgoku831 20 hours ago#31
gafemaqs posted...
Starwars4J posted...
By the time FFVII comes out it will be on the Switch's successor. Either way it's probably coming to a Nintendo system. Remember it isn't Sony exclusive, it's just a timed exclusive.

I know it's timed exclusive which means the Switch is not precluded from getting the game, but we also don't know for a fact it's happening.

Ehh I don't think it's going to come on the Switch. SE loves Sony systems. I would think if they would port FFXV first to how it runs on the Switch.
Thrasher7170 20 hours ago#32
DarthSloth5555 posted...
Thrasher7170 posted...
DarthSloth5555 posted...
@Thrasher7170 It wasn't an augment, it was a question. I really don't think the difference is all that elusive.

Apologies if that wasn't your intention, but the astounding number of people who use that exact same setup as the lead in to an argument is frustrating.

Fair enough. I only meant to ascertain whether or not I was discussing the game with people who had experienced it when it was the cool new thing, or with people who hadn't. 

I'll admit that nostalgia makes me think much more highly of the game than it probably deserves.

Yeah, sorry. Probably shouldn't have come in guns blazing. My point still stands, however, just not against you.
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HayashiTakara 20 hours ago#33
FF7Re isn't coming out for several years, they're not even sure if KH3 is coming out holiday 2018. there's so much time for more announcements its not even funny anymore
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neji721 20 hours ago#34
Who is to say it wont? We have other ps4x1 titles. If sales ramp up before it gets too far in developement there is a chance.
HayashiTakara 20 hours ago#35
ssgoku831 posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Starwars4J posted...
By the time FFVII comes out it will be on the Switch's successor. Either way it's probably coming to a Nintendo system. Remember it isn't Sony exclusive, it's just a timed exclusive.

I know it's timed exclusive which means the Switch is not precluded from getting the game, but we also don't know for a fact it's happening.

Ehh I don't think it's going to come on the Switch. SE loves Sony systems. I would think if they would port FFXV first to how it runs on the Switch.


No because FF7 Re is running on Unreal, FFXV is running on the Luminous, completely different engine. The Switches API is equipped to run Unreal out of the box. And since luminous is a customer engine built by Square they'd have to do a s*** load more recoding.
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DrProfessor posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Link01588 posted...
Like FFVIIR is actually coming out anytime soon. That game will be in development hell for a long time.

Umm. So?

This topic is about when or if it is coming to Nintendo's console
It's not.

/thread

And even if it did we have no idea how long the exclusivity deal is for the ps4.
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Ljynk84 20 hours ago#37
JustABox posted...
Ljynk84 posted...
By the time KH3 and FF7R comes out we would already be halfway into PS7's lifecycle and even that's being generous and speaking of remakes we need one for Super Mario RPG

Square Enix said 2018 for KH3 recently.


Oh I must have missed it then the game better be a masterpiece we've been waiting a long time so Square doesn't have any excuses at least I'm a bit relieved knowing this game isn't far off thanks for telling me I appreciate it
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ssgoku831 20 hours ago#38
Hayas***akara posted...
ssgoku831 posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Starwars4J posted...
By the time FFVII comes out it will be on the Switch's successor. Either way it's probably coming to a Nintendo system. Remember it isn't Sony exclusive, it's just a timed exclusive.

I know it's timed exclusive which means the Switch is not precluded from getting the game, but we also don't know for a fact it's happening.

Ehh I don't think it's going to come on the Switch. SE loves Sony systems. I would think if they would port FFXV first to how it runs on the Switch.


No because FF7 Re is running on Unreal, FFXV is running on the Luminous, completely different engine. The Switches API is equipped to run Unreal out of the box. And since luminous is a customer engine built by Square they'd have to do a s*** load more recoding.

I see.
Torgo 20 hours ago#39
I have the original PS1 compact discs of FF7 and a working PS1.

I'm good.
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gafemaqs 20 hours ago#40
Torgo posted...
I have the original PS1 compact discs of FF7 and a working PS1.

I'm good.

That's fine and all but AV cables are hard to go back to.
ssgoku831 20 hours ago#41
gafemaqs posted...
Torgo posted...
I have the original PS1 compact discs of FF7 and a working PS1.

I'm good.

That's fine and all but AV cables are hard to go back to.

lol
Torgo 20 hours ago#42
gafemaqs posted...
Torgo posted...
I have the original PS1 compact discs of FF7 and a working PS1.

I'm good.

That's fine and all but AV cables are hard to go back to.


I have an S-video out, but I'd like to get a component out like I have for my GameCube.
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jjgator 20 hours ago#43
Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.
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metroidman18 20 hours ago#44
jjgator posted...
Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.
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DiscostewSM 20 hours ago#45
jjgator posted...
Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.

That doesn't seem to stop DQXI, which happens to run on UE4 too.
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gafemaqs 20 hours ago#46
Torgo posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Torgo posted...
I have the original PS1 compact discs of FF7 and a working PS1.

I'm good.

That's fine and all but AV cables are hard to go back to.


I have an S-video out, but I'd like to get a component out like I have for my GameCube.

All inferior in the eyes of the HDMI. Which you could have if FF7 were on Switch.
JustABox 20 hours ago#47
Ljynk84 posted...
JustABox posted...
Ljynk84 posted...
By the time KH3 and FF7R comes out we would already be halfway into PS7's lifecycle and even that's being generous and speaking of remakes we need one for Super Mario RPG

Square Enix said 2018 for KH3 recently.


Oh I must have missed it then the game better be a masterpiece we've been waiting a long time so Square doesn't have any excuses at least I'm a bit relieved knowing this game isn't far off thanks for telling me I appreciate it

Yeah they announced it at the D23 expo in Japan. I can understand why you didn't hear that because I had no idea that this thing called D23 existed until I heard about it. And my friend was the one who told me. It was on the internet of course but it kinda flew under the radar for some people.
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jjgator 20 hours ago#48
gafemaqs posted...
Torgo posted...
I have the original PS1 compact discs of FF7 and a working PS1.

I'm good.

That's fine and all but AV cables are hard to go back to.

You can get the PS1 off the shop for PS3/PSP/Vita or the PC version for PS4.
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gafemaqs 20 hours ago#49
jjgator posted...
gafemaqs posted...
Torgo posted...
I have the original PS1 compact discs of FF7 and a working PS1.

I'm good.

That's fine and all but AV cables are hard to go back to.

You can get the PS1 off the shop for PS3/PSP/Vita or the PC version for PS4.

But that guy's saying he plays it on his original PS1.
jjgator 20 hours ago#50
DiscostewSM posted...
jjgator posted...
Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.

That doesn't seem to stop DQXI, which happens to run on UE4 too.

Just because two different games run on the same engine doesn't mean they require the same horsepower to run.
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    DiscostewSM 20 hours ago#51
    jjgator posted...
    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.

    That doesn't seem to stop DQXI, which happens to run on UE4 too.

    Just because two different games run on the same engine doesn't mean they require the same horsepower to run.

    Yet DQXI only hits 900p @ 30fps on PS4. If you're suggesting that FFVIIR is going to require more, then is that an assumption that it will only hit something like 720p @ 30fps on PS4?
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    Mr_Big_Boss 20 hours ago#52
    doutforharambe posted...
    It never really made sense to put cloud in smash. He made more sense in ps all stars. At least with snake there was that twin snakes game on gamecube.


    They did it to settle the age old debate of Cloud vs Link
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    Solis 20 hours ago#53
    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.

    That doesn't seem to stop DQXI, which happens to run on UE4 too.

    Just because two different games run on the same engine doesn't mean they require the same horsepower to run.

    Yet DQXI only hits 900p @ 30fps on PS4.

    And how does it run on the Switch, especially undocked?

    If you're suggesting that FFVIIR is going to require more, then is that an assumption that it will only hit something like 720p @ 30fps on PS4?

    There are aspects to the game aside from resolution. RAM usage, CPU usage, all can play into the potential for a game running on certain hardware, and how much it needs to be downgraded to run on lesser hardware. Halo 4 most assuredly required more resources than Halo 3, yet it also ran at a higher resolution (and often framerate) on the same hardware. It's entirely possible, and very probable, that Final Fantasy 7 Remake will require more resources than Dragon Quest XI, but run at the same resolution and framerate on the PS4..
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    DiscostewSM 19 hours ago#54
    Solis posted...
    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.

    That doesn't seem to stop DQXI, which happens to run on UE4 too.

    Just because two different games run on the same engine doesn't mean they require the same horsepower to run.

    Yet DQXI only hits 900p @ 30fps on PS4.

    And how does it run on the Switch, especially undocked?

    If you're suggesting that FFVIIR is going to require more, then is that an assumption that it will only hit something like 720p @ 30fps on PS4?

    There are aspects to the game aside from resolution. RAM usage, CPU usage, all can play into the potential for a game running on certain hardware, and how much it needs to be downgraded to run on lesser hardware. Halo 4 most assuredly required more resources than Halo 3, yet it also ran at a higher resolution (and often framerate) on the same hardware. It's entirely possible, and very probable, that Final Fantasy 7 Remake will require more resources than Dragon Quest XI, but run at the same resolution and framerate on the PS4..

    My point is that it's not accurate to claim that SE doesn't want to dumb down games for Switch when it already appears that games are being dumbed down via downgrading for it from them.
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    HayashiTakara 19 hours ago#55
    Solis posted...
    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.

    That doesn't seem to stop DQXI, which happens to run on UE4 too.

    Just because two different games run on the same engine doesn't mean they require the same horsepower to run.

    Yet DQXI only hits 900p @ 30fps on PS4.

    And how does it run on the Switch, especially undocked?

    If you're suggesting that FFVIIR is going to require more, then is that an assumption that it will only hit something like 720p @ 30fps on PS4?

    There are aspects to the game aside from resolution. RAM usage, CPU usage, all can play into the potential for a game running on certain hardware, and how much it needs to be downgraded to run on lesser hardware. Halo 4 most assuredly required more resources than Halo 3, yet it also ran at a higher resolution (and often framerate) on the same hardware. It's entirely possible, and very probable, that Final Fantasy 7 Remake will require more resources than Dragon Quest XI, but run at the same resolution and framerate on the PS4..


    It's called optimization, the more experience the developer has with the system, the more optimized they can get with coding for it, making for a more pleasant experience.
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    NeoMonk 19 hours ago#56
    Let me know when they actually decide what studio is going to make this abomination before i start to pretend to give a s***.
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    HayashiTakara 19 hours ago#57
    NeoMonk posted...
    Let me know when they actually decide what studio is going to make this abomination before i start to pretend to give a s***.


    we'll know in 2 yrs lol
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    Solis 19 hours ago#58
    DiscostewSM posted...
    My point is that it's not accurate to claim that SE doesn't want to dumb down games for Switch when it already appears that games are being dumbed down via downgrading for it from them.

    I don't see what that has to do with the Switch. The studio making Dragon Quest games is obviously not the studio making Final Fantasy games, so how does that relate to the possibility of downgrading an in-development game for lesser hardware? It's not like Final Fantasy XV, ANY of the Kingdom Hearts games or their remasters, or Final Fantasy XII Zodiac Age were released on Switch, after all.

    Especially when the Final Fantasy 7 remake hasn't even been announced for the Xbox One yet, so assuming anything about their intentions with the game (particularly regarding a system like the Swtich) seems like a pretty big stretch.


    HayashiTakara posted...
    It's called optimization, the more experience the developer has with the system, the more optimized they can get with coding for it, making for a more pleasant experience.

    Absolutely. So what should we expect from the developers working on the Final Fantasy games if they were suddenly required to make them for the Switch when they have no experience working with the hardware, after having 4+ years of working on the Xbox One/PS4?
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    HayashiTakara 19 hours ago#59
    Solis posted...
    DiscostewSM posted...
    My point is that it's not accurate to claim that SE doesn't want to dumb down games for Switch when it already appears that games are being dumbed down via downgrading for it from them.

    I don't see what that has to do with the Switch. The studio making Dragon Quest games is obviously not the studio making Final Fantasy games, so how does that relate to the possibility of downgrading an in-development game for lesser hardware? It's not like Final Fantasy XV, ANY of the Kingdom Hearts games or their remasters, or Final Fantasy XII Zodiac Age were released on Switch, after all.

    Especially when the Final Fantasy 7 remake hasn't even been announced for the Xbox One yet, so assuming anything about their intentions with the game (particularly regarding a system like the Swtich) seems like a pretty big stretch.


    HayashiTakara posted...
    It's called optimization, the more experience the developer has with the system, the more optimized they can get with coding for it, making for a more pleasant experience.

    Absolutely. So what should we expect from the developers working on the Final Fantasy games if they were suddenly required to make them for the Switch when they have no experience working with the hardware, after having 4+ years of working on the Xbox One/PS4?


    easy, they'll bring in people from the dragon quest team to assist, as they're getting a ton of experience with the switch with how many DQ games is coming out for it. it's not like the teams are inclusive.
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    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.

    That doesn't seem to stop DQXI, which happens to run on UE4 too.


    Just because the Switch can run UE4 it doesn't mean it can run all games using UE4. DQXI on PS4 is in no way a technically impressive title. Unless Square-Enix is trying to make Switch consoles explode worldwide, FF7R isn't coming. It's a garbage remake that doesn't respect the original anyway, so it doesn't matter.
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    It'll be released in time for Switch 3.

    Maybe.
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    Lelouch71 15 hours ago#62
    It's coming to Playstation first. Whether that means it will get a PC or Xbox port later is a different story.

    Besides it isn't even guaranteed to be coming to the PS4. The game will be broken into parts presumably 3 since Kitase/Nomura stated it will be full games in the same sense as the FFXIII trilogy. Part 1 isn't coming out no earlier than 2019 and that's being optimistic. The PS5 will probably be launching roughly late 2019. Part 2 and Part 3 will definitely be long after the PS5 got release. So it's highly plausible they might just dump the PS4 in favor of the PS5 just like what they did with Versus/XV when it went from the PS3 to the PS4. Even if part 1 is releasing only on the PS4 at first it will be coming to the PS5 within a few months to a year. 

    Either way they would have to do a massive downgrade of an AAA PS4 and/or possibly PS5 game like FFVII-R. FFX/X-2 HD, Type 0 HD, FFXII TZA, FFXIII trilogy, and even FFXIV are more likely to be ported than FFVII-R (and parts) and even FFXV.
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    BadDecisions 15 hours ago#63
    Square seems to be pretty concerned with pushing the best graphics they possibly can at all times for their main titles, so I doubt they'd want to put in the work to make what they'd see as an inferior version.
    Katon 13 hours ago#64
    Putting Cloud in Smash was not a "favor" to Square Enix. It's called a business deal.
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    Megaman Omega 13 hours ago#65
    gafemaqs posted...
    This topic is about when or if it is coming to Nintendo's console


    Really?
    *looks at topic title*
    *sees a different statement*

    So either you're a liar, or you fail at logic.
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    Catluver17 13 hours ago#66
    Switch is far from a dog turd to have that overrated garbage.

    inb4 salty fanboy sheep crying
    Sonic 3 and Knuckles is still and always will be the best game of all time.
    The Cat is always right. You have yet to understand the feline language.
    gafemaqs 13 hours ago#67
    Catluver17 posted...
    Switch is far from a dog turd to have that overrated garbage.

    inb4 salty fanboy sheep crying

    I agree. But why?
    gafemaqs 12 hours ago#68
    Katon posted...
    Putting Cloud in Smash was not a "favor" to Square Enix. It's called a business deal.

    I don't think you know what "favor" means.

    fa·vor
    noun
    1. approval, support, or liking for someone or something.
    "the legislation is viewed with favor"
    synonyms:approval, approbation, goodwill, kindness, benevolence
    Mr_Big_Boss 12 hours ago#69
    Hayas***akara posted...
    Solis posted...
    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    DiscostewSM posted...
    jjgator posted...
    Square doesn't want to dumb it down to run on Switch.

    That doesn't seem to stop DQXI, which happens to run on UE4 too.

    Just because two different games run on the same engine doesn't mean they require the same horsepower to run.

    Yet DQXI only hits 900p @ 30fps on PS4.

    And how does it run on the Switch, especially undocked?

    If you're suggesting that FFVIIR is going to require more, then is that an assumption that it will only hit something like 720p @ 30fps on PS4?

    There are aspects to the game aside from resolution. RAM usage, CPU usage, all can play into the potential for a game running on certain hardware, and how much it needs to be downgraded to run on lesser hardware. Halo 4 most assuredly required more resources than Halo 3, yet it also ran at a higher resolution (and often framerate) on the same hardware. It's entirely possible, and very probable, that Final Fantasy 7 Remake will require more resources than Dragon Quest XI, but run at the same resolution and framerate on the PS4..


    It's called optimization, the more experience the developer has with the system, the more optimized they can get with coding for it, making for a more pleasant experience.


    You can optimize as much as you want but if the hardware is a piece of s*** then it will still run like s***.
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    zado19 10 hours ago#70
    gafemaqs posted...
    Even after Nintendo did square the favor of putting Cloud in Smash, they're not bringing FF7 Remake to Switch?

    !

    Sakurai putting Cloud into Smash Bros didnt do ANYBODY any favours...
    "Besides the multiplatforms and exclusives, what else was there on PS4?" - Karmic Dragon2003
    Kyoshiro12345 10 hours ago#71
    Mr_Big_Boss posted...
    doutforharambe posted...
    It never really made sense to put cloud in smash. He made more sense in ps all stars. At least with snake there was that twin snakes game on gamecube.


    They did it to settle the age old debate of Cloud vs Link

    Link has been on Soulcalibur, where has Cloud been?
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    6-19-7 9 hours ago#72
    gafemaqs posted...
    doutforharambe posted...
    It never really made sense to put cloud in smash. He made more sense in ps all stars. At least with snake there was that twin snakes game on gamecube.

    I agree. Final Fantasy, despite being on NES originally, is typically associated with Sony.

    Not this stubborn mentality again.
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    emagdnE 9 hours ago#73
    Why the f*** do you want Final Fantasy 7 to be a stain on the Switch's library?
    I've never seen anything this beautiful in the entire galaxy... All right, give me the bomb. -Ultra Magnus
    Placiibo 9 hours ago#74
    Sony moneyhatted timed exclusivity for one. Switch probably can't run it. Won't be ready for a couple years, so likely PS5 title. Save your port begging for Switch 2.
    Warning: the post you just read may contain satire, hyperbole, or deadpan. Reader digression is advised.
    Technickal1 9 hours ago#75
    Smash or not, it's still a Sony game through and through. I can't see it coming over anytime soon.
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    RockrrGirrl19 9 hours ago#76
    Cause it sucks, even ffx is better.

    people are still hyped about that 90's game?
    Pharsti01 9 hours ago#77
    gafemaqs posted...
    This topic is about when or if it is coming to Nintendo's console


    Well, its not... so not really sure what else you want people to tell you.
    amerk 8 hours ago#78
    Avocado posted...
    Given that Final Fantasy 15 isn't coming to the Switch due to technical restraints and Final Fantasy 7 Remake is based off the same engine, I highly doubt the remake will come to the Switch.


    FFXV was made on their own Luminous Engine. FFVII and KH3 is being made with Unreal Engine 4.
    singhellotaku 8 hours ago#79
    because the switch wouldn't have a hope in hell of running it?
    Just shut the hell up and talk about games, im so tired of the politics of gaming...
    Blitz_kid_ 7 hours ago#80
    You do know it's a PS4 timed exclusive lmao
    Final Fantasy XV is a terrible game with awful characters
    6-19-7 6 hours ago#81
    Technickal1 posted...
    Smash or not, it's still a Sony game through and through. I can't see it coming over anytime soon.

    A Sony game which also came out on PC.

    Try again.
    Not a native english speaker - Post-ALBW Zelda detractor - If you're not a Metroid fan and don't give any form of support to it, you are my enemy
    Thrasher7170 posted...
    Link01588 posted...
    Like FFVIIR is actually coming out anytime soon. That game will be in development hell for a long time.

    This. By the time it drops, it'll be a PS5 title.
    FC: 1977 - 0616 - 0040
    Gallant was here
    RockrrGirrl19 6 hours ago#83
    Blitz_kid_ posted...
    You do know it's a PS4 timed exclusive lmao


    Will it EVER release though? 

    The game might be good, although several other entries in the FF series is MUCH better imho.

    That release of FF 12 or XII, was great, that game was actually good. I don't see why part 7 has such an audience tbh, since it's so bad compared to other entries in the series.

    FF6 is much better for example.
    GooberSD 5 hours ago#84
    You're delusional if you think the Switch can run that
    Nordini 5 hours ago#85
    There was never any chance that FF7R was coming to Switch. It was always 0. Just like it was 0 for Wii U.
    RockrrGirrl19 5 hours ago#86
    Nordini posted...
    There was never any chance that FF7R was coming to Switch. It was always 0. Just like it was 0 for Wii U.


    That negativity could be bad for your heart.
    RockrrGirrl19 5 hours ago#87
    GooberSD posted...
    You're delusional if you think the Switch can run that


    But it actually could.

    it's a matter of battery life.
    amerk 5 hours ago#88
    It really boils down to whatever "timed exclusivity" means for PS4, and whether or not the developer has any interest in porting it over to the Switch after the fact.

    Heck, we may be on Switch 2 before this game releases, so bickering back and forth about it will it / won't it is just pointless. It doesn't matter what we think, it matters what the developers think.
    I don't care if it comes out on Switch or not because there's no way I'm going to buy a Switch version over a PS4 one. The reason why is simple: the PS4 Pro will play the game at a much higher resolution and frame rate. I really don't see why I'd favor the Switch for multiplatform games when I have a 65" 2160p OLED HDTV.
    I'm French speaking.
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    king_madden 5 hours ago#90
    RockrrGirrl19 posted...
    Blitz_kid_ posted...
    You do know it's a PS4 timed exclusive lmao


    Will it EVER release though? 

    The game might be good, although several other entries in the FF series is MUCH better imho.

    That release of FF 12 or XII, was great, that game was actually good. I don't see why part 7 has such an audience tbh, since it's so bad compared to other entries in the series.

    FF6 is much better for example.


    Um OK thanks for your feedback
    finally a new .Hack game! its been too long old friend.
    king_madden 5 hours ago#91
    6-19-7 posted...
    Technickal1 posted...
    Smash or not, it's still a Sony game through and through. I can't see it coming over anytime soon.

    A Sony game which also came out on PC.

    Try again.


    Wouldn't be the first Sony game on PC. Sony has published games on PC before
    finally a new .Hack game! its been too long old friend.
    bigjclassic 5 hours ago#92
    YellowThunder posted...
    It's never coming to any system.
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    RockrrGirrl19 5 hours ago#93
    king_madden posted...
    RockrrGirrl19 posted...
    Blitz_kid_ posted...
    You do know it's a PS4 timed exclusive lmao


    Will it EVER release though? 

    The game might be good, although several other entries in the FF series is MUCH better imho.

    That release of FF 12 or XII, was great, that game was actually good. I don't see why part 7 has such an audience tbh, since it's so bad compared to other entries in the series.

    FF6 is much better for example.


    Um OK thanks for your feedback


    No argument against what I just said?
    scorpio man 4 hours ago#94
    gafemaqs posted...
    Kaeporo posted...
    Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

    I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


    Bwahahahahaha

    Troll confirmed
    I got 99 problems but a Switch aint one!
    GooberSD 4 hours ago#95
    RockrrGirrl19 posted...
    GooberSD posted...
    You're delusional if you think the Switch can run that


    But it actually could.

    it's a matter of battery life.

    How does battery life affect this? Hahahaha

    The Switch cannot run it. It has half the power (At best) that the PS4 has: http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/nintendo-switch-vs-ps4-and-xbox-one-2949935
    gafemaqs 3 hours ago#96
    scorpio man posted...
    gafemaqs posted...
    Kaeporo posted...
    Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

    I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


    Bwahahahahaha

    Troll confirmed


    I know your fanboy mentality makes you delusional, but did you read more than the topic title before you posted?

    Actually, I know you didn't.
    Kyoshiro12345 3 hours ago#97
    why the EFF dont you own both systems like 90% of 3DS/switch owners?
    Demon EYES Kyo
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    gafemaqs 3 hours ago#98
    Kyoshiro12345 posted...
    why the EFF dont you own both systems like 90% of 3DS/switch owners?

    I do?

    I already said I don't like the game so I'm not getting it no matter what.

    Why are you so presumptuous? Why do you only read the topic title before posting?
    GooberSD 3 hours ago#99
    gafemaqs posted...
    scorpio man posted...
    gafemaqs posted...
    Kaeporo posted...
    Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

    I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


    Bwahahahahaha

    Troll confirmed


    I know your fanboy mentality makes you delusional, but did you read more than the topic title before you posted?

    Actually, I know you didn't.

    How could he have not read more than the topic title if he quoted a post???
    zado19 3 hours ago#100
    GooberSD posted...
    gafemaqs posted...
    scorpio man posted...
    gafemaqs posted...
    Kaeporo posted...
    Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

    I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


    Bwahahahahaha

    Troll confirmed


    I know your fanboy mentality makes you delusional, but did you read more than the topic title before you posted?

    Actually, I know you didn't.

    How could he have not read more than the topic title if he quoted a post???

    you new here?
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    1. Boards
    2. Nintendo Switch
    3. Why the f*** is Final Fantasy 7 not coming to Switch?
      1. Boards
      2. Nintendo Switch
      3. Why the f*** is Final Fantasy 7 not coming to Switch?
      zado19 posted...
      GooberSD posted...
      gafemaqs posted...
      scorpio man posted...
      gafemaqs posted...
      Kaeporo posted...
      Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

      I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


      Bwahahahahaha

      Troll confirmed


      I know your fanboy mentality makes you delusional, but did you read more than the topic title before you posted?

      Actually, I know you didn't.

      How could he have not read more than the topic title if he quoted a post???

      you new here?

      so we need to read 100 posts to answer the TCs original question?
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      Kyoshiro Mibu
      Kuksenkov 2 hours ago#102
      It isn't coming to PS4 either, if that makes you feel better.

      Regarding Cloud being in Smash: 

      Nintendo said that they were looking into characters that were POSSIBLE to add to the roster (No Kratos, No Master Chief, etc) due to the FAN DEMAND. There was demand for Cloud, that's it.
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      PS4Warrior 2 hours ago#103
      Kuksenkov posted...
      It isn't coming to PS4 either, if that makes you feel better.

      Regarding Cloud being in Smash: 

      Nintendo said that they were looking into characters that were POSSIBLE to add to the roster (No Kratos, No Master Chief, etc) due to the FAN DEMAND. There was demand for Cloud, that's it.


      You're going to eat those words in 2030 once it releases for the PS4!
      PS4 - Because it was the next gen console i was the most interested in.
      Warrior - Because i usually pick the Warrior class in MMORPGs when i played them.
      The game is too advanced for the Switch hardware and third parties avoid Nintendo due to low projected sales.
      6-19-7 posted...
      Technickal1 posted...
      Smash or not, it's still a Sony game through and through. I can't see it coming over anytime soon.

      A Sony game which also came out on PC.

      Try again.

      and what about FF3-6, Famicom.super famicom games were also released on PS1, so theres no exclusivity for SE, where the money is where the go.
      Demon EYES Kyo
      Kyoshiro Mibu
      king_madden 2 hours ago#106
      RockrrGirrl19 posted...
      no argument against what I just said?


      lol what is there to argue? its nothing more than your opinion. obviously other people feel differently. if thats how you feel about the game then ok, doesnt really have anything to do with the topic, so not sure why we would argue it.
      finally a new .Hack game! its been too long old friend.
      PS4Warrior posted...
      Kuksenkov posted...
      It isn't coming to PS4 either, if that makes you feel better.

      Regarding Cloud being in Smash: 

      Nintendo said that they were looking into characters that were POSSIBLE to add to the roster (No Kratos, No Master Chief, etc) due to the FAN DEMAND. There was demand for Cloud, that's it.



      You're going to eat those words in 2030 once it releases for the PS4!



      I died x'D
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      Gallant was here
      (edited 1 hour ago)reportquote
      PS4Warrior posted...
      Kuksenkov posted...
      It isn't coming to PS4 either, if that makes you feel better.

      Regarding Cloud being in Smash: 

      Nintendo said that they were looking into characters that were POSSIBLE to add to the roster (No Kratos, No Master Chief, etc) due to the FAN DEMAND. There was demand for Cloud, that's it.


      You're going to eat those words in 2030 once it releases for the PS14!

      FTFY :P
      "When you've got no argument, say something bad about <x>."
      Perfectly explains why the Nintendo boards are toxic and are full of trolls/haters.
      Ulk 1 hour ago#109
      I suppose it's more hassle than it's worth to downgrade this game until the Switch can run it.
      "Such potential they bring to our minds. And yet a lock stopped you from all of that. How... lazy." - Whiterose
      gafemaqs posted...
      Even after Nintendo did square the favor of putting Cloud in Smash

      !


      lol

      other way around.
      ElectricMole posted...
      gafemaqs posted...
      Even after Nintendo did square the favor of putting Cloud in Smash

      !


      lol

      other way around.

      putting cloud is not a favor, neither would have been squal, or zidane, cant imagine worst characters, now if you say Warrior of light, onion knight, Cecil, bartz, frion, or Locke/Tina, then another story would be told.
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      Kyoshiro Mibu
      (edited 1 hour ago)reportquote
      PS4Warrior 1 hour ago#112
      GallantChaddymn posted...
      PS4Warrior posted...
      Kuksenkov posted...
      It isn't coming to PS4 either, if that makes you feel better.

      Regarding Cloud being in Smash: 

      Nintendo said that they were looking into characters that were POSSIBLE to add to the roster (No Kratos, No Master Chief, etc) due to the FAN DEMAND. There was demand for Cloud, that's it.



      You're going to eat those words in 2030 once it releases for the PS4!



      I died x'D

      I'm sorry :(.

      DiscostewSM posted...
      PS4Warrior posted...
      Kuksenkov posted...
      It isn't coming to PS4 either, if that makes you feel better.

      Regarding Cloud being in Smash: 

      Nintendo said that they were looking into characters that were POSSIBLE to add to the roster (No Kratos, No Master Chief, etc) due to the FAN DEMAND. There was demand for Cloud, that's it.


      You're going to eat those words in 2030 once it releases for the PS14!

      FTFY :P


      It has 4 in it so it could still be a version of the PS4!
      PS4 - Because it was the next gen console i was the most interested in.
      Warrior - Because i usually pick the Warrior class in MMORPGs when i played them.
      Possibly the most unnecessary remake ever. FF7 is great as is. They're just going to screw it up and take too long to release it. It will be a Christmas miracle if it comes out before 2020. SE should be focusing on making a great, new FF game, perhaps with some elements from ff7, instead of chasing the past. 

      FF15 is okay. It could have been much better.
      El_Zaggy 31 minutes ago#114
      gafemaqs posted...
      Even after Nintendo did square the favor of putting Cloud in Smash, they're not bringing FF7 Remake to Switch?

      !

      nintendo paid a vast amount of money to square enix to use cloud. Square enix dont need nintendo. on the other hand nintneod needs t show some 3rd party support in their games.
      (edited 30 minutes ago)reportquote
      Alkeez 22 minutes ago#115
      I actually want the ps1 versions of the FF games on my Switch! Never got a VITA, but i imagine these games are amazing on the go! 

      I think Sqenix will butcher FF7Remake -.-
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      gafemaqs 21 minutes ago#116
      El_Zaggy posted...
      gafemaqs posted...
      Even after Nintendo did square the favor of putting Cloud in Smash, they're not bringing FF7 Remake to Switch?

      !

      nintendo paid a vast amount of money to square enix to use cloud. Square enix dont need nintendo. on the other hand nintneod needs t show some 3rd party support in their games.

      Let me make this positively clear for you:

      8VUZ5ab
      (edited 21 minutes ago)reportquote
      Alkeez 14 minutes ago#117
      gafemaqs posted...
      El_Zaggy posted...
      gafemaqs posted...
      Even after Nintendo did square the favor of putting Cloud in Smash, they're not bringing FF7 Remake to Switch?

      !

      nintendo paid a vast amount of money to square enix to use cloud. Square enix dont need nintendo. on the other hand nintneod needs t show some 3rd party support in their games.

      Let me make this positively clear for you:

      8VUZ5ab


      I might read this wrong, but it looks like him saying: Its square that did Nintendo a favor?
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      Kyoshiro12345 11 minutes ago#118
      El_Zaggy posted...
      gafemaqs posted...
      Even after Nintendo did square the favor of putting Cloud in Smash, they're not bringing FF7 Remake to Switch?

      !

      nintendo paid a vast amount of money to square enix to use cloud. Square enix dont need nintendo. on the other hand nintneod needs t show some 3rd party support in their games.

      well a link would be needed in this case.
      Demon EYES Kyo
      Kyoshiro Mibu
      Usabell 8 minutes ago#119
      Thrasher7170 posted...
      DarthSloth5555 posted...
      Kyoshiro12345 posted...
      DarthSloth5555 posted...
      gafemaqs posted...
      Kaeporo posted...
      Switch isn't strong enough for the remake of that mediocre game.

      I agree the game is pretty lame, but Switch could run it if they make it a less demanding game to run


      FFVII ...a mediocre game? Wtf!?

      we are not talking about advent children or dirge of Cerberus, we are talking about the ps1 game, correct, is mediocre to bad.


      Okay... I disagree with this very, very strongly.

      Question: Did any of you play it when it was new?

      I'm betting the answer is no...

      This is legitimately the worst argument on the world. When something is new and flashy, of course it seems good. But if it doesn't hold up, then is it really that good? FF7 is one example, a game that I wouldn't continue to play because of poor graphics and s***ty controls. OoT is another.

      This.
      Consoles shouldn't be about 480p, 720p, 1080p or the prettiest slideshow.
      They're about a magical box that outputs wonderful streams of 60 images per second.
      Usabell 1 minute ago#120
      PS4Warrior posted...
      GallantChaddymn posted...
      PS4Warrior posted...
      Kuksenkov posted...
      It isn't coming to PS4 either, if that makes you feel better.

      Regarding Cloud being in Smash: 

      Nintendo said that they were looking into characters that were POSSIBLE to add to the roster (No Kratos, No Master Chief, etc) due to the FAN DEMAND. There was demand for Cloud, that's it.



      You're going to eat those words in 2030 once it releases for the PS4!



      I died x'D

      I'm sorry :(.

      DiscostewSM posted...
      PS4Warrior posted...
      Kuksenkov posted...
      It isn't coming to PS4 either, if that makes you feel better.

      Regarding Cloud being in Smash: 

      Nintendo said that they were looking into characters that were POSSIBLE to add to the roster (No Kratos, No Master Chief, etc) due to the FAN DEMAND. There was demand for Cloud, that's it.


      You're going to eat those words in 2030 once it releases for the PS14!

      FTFY :P


      It has 4 in it so it could still be a version of the PS4!

      It's more likely to be the Super PS4 Pro Ultra Mk V Turbo Deluxe.
      You know, that mid-gen upgrade that still runs original PS4 games and is held back by it, but runs in 16K resolution at 30 FPS.
      Consoles shouldn't be about 480p, 720p, 1080p or the prettiest slideshow.
      They're about a magical box that outputs wonderful streams of 60 images per second.
      (edited 38 seconds ago)reportquote
      1. Boards
      2. Nintendo Switch 
      3. is Final Fantasy 7 not coming to Switch?

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