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Most people here would be absolutely fine with 8gb so why is 16 gb always pushed for builds?
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We don't pretend.
We have money.
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MasterFeeler posted...
We don't pretend. I have money why haven't I added more ram?
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Video capture, live streaming, work, editing software, etc...
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Because 16GB is more flexable and a better value per GB than 8GB, even if it isn't needed.
I didn't really need 16GB in my new build, but I got it anyways because it was a better value. Better to have too much than not enough for not much of a higher price. (This was before prices got higher, though) That being said, for gaming, 8GB is enough in 99.99% of situations and people who say otherwise are wrong 99.99% of the time.
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Because it will be the new standard soon. Just look at Mass Effect Andromeda. I had frame drops all over the place, then I upgraded to 16gb of RAM, no more frame drops. There are other games too that recommend 12gb of RAM. Sure, it may be because the devs are too lazy to properly optimize their games for PC, but that's irrelevant. Games are requiring more RAM, so you need more RAM. 8gb just isn't enough anymore. So if you're building a new PC, why would you not get at least 16gb?
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MASKOAAA posted...
MasterFeeler posted...We don't pretend. Because $5 isn't enuf to buy a ram stick.
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We have $$ and want more RAM
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You don't need it for gaming, I need it for work.
Geforce GTX whatever, i7 something or rather, some sticks of ram, an SSD and a Hard Drive with stuff on it.
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Because 8GB isn't enough when you have open world games pushing 6-7GB.
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The game I'm running uses about 7 to 9 GBs of ram, then I have my OS running, my media player, my network/chats, my steam in home streaming to my TV which wants some ram etc.
8GB was what you should have had for Windows Vista, I can't see how people still think that it's enough these days.
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I can realistically see the need for 12GB for gaming. Anyone saying 16GB is a requirement is probably just reassuring himself.
People who use their PCs for more than just gaming and do streams, video editing etc probably make good use of the 16GBs but if we're talking just gaming, it's a waste.
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MASKOAAA posted...
MasterFeeler posted...We don't pretend. Because you are a cheapskate.
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Some people are irresponsible.
I'm currently using 8GB of my RAM, and I'm not doing anything tasking (just browsing and watching videos). Some of us like having 50-60 tabs open in Chrome without encountering any issues.
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because 64gb isn't enough for all the photoshop and 3d rendering crap I need to do
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He's not a cheapskate for not buying something he literally doesn't need. Why do people have to reassure themselves in every RAM topic? You wasted money, whoop-dee-f***ing-doo. I've wasted money before too, it's not the end of the world, no need to lie to yourself thinking you made a good purchase.
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Because losers love bragging about useless things
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Firefox routinely uses 3-4GB on my system, and when I use Chrome/Google for VOIP phone service that inevitably gets up to another 1-2GB no matter what I (don't) do with it. The last time I played Blizzard's Diablo game it hit something like 4-4.5GB VRAM and 5GB system RAM usage, and Path of Exile routinely hits 4GB or more after a few hours of play. Then there's the utility software I often have running when playing Path of Exile such as Procurement (560MB), PoE Skill Tree (200MB), and some of my own stuff (another 300MB or so).
And let's not forget the launchers to launch launchers for the launching of launcher launchers such as Steam and Glyph which collectively eat up another 250MB or so. Origin, uPlay, Battle.net, and GOG Galaxy would add another 1.25GB or so if I felt compelled to keep them running at all times. Personally, I don't pretend to "need" more than 8GB of RAM. The more RAM I have the more I can relax and enjoy using my PC instead of stressing out over developers poorly designing their software and making it use more RAM than necessary or not properly fixing memory leaks, both the sort where the RAM footprint for the program in question bloats up and the sort where available RAM keeps dropping but a clearly visible culprit can't be found. I dunno about anyone else, but minimizing hassle and maximizing enjoyment of things that I enjoy is rather much a need.
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zxxcman posted...
Some people are irresponsible. Why do you want 60 tabs open? Personally i cant stand clutter, i close everything i dont need.
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King_Gheedorah posted...
Video capture, live streaming, work, editing software, etc... Esp if you're working in 4K I guess. I have 2 gig on this laptop and it gets me playing, but I have to stick to older stuff, e.g. yes to Temple of Elemental Evil no to Pillars of Eternity. That's a shame but not a shame I'm going to purchase to overcome.
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Because reassurance. Worst part is when the RAM eats away at their GPU budget. :/
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Because games RIGHT NOW use 6-8 GB RAM...for example Hellblade to name a more recent example. There are alot of games which use 4-5GB. Each year new releases use more and more RAM. So if the follow the trajectory of RAMusage, then in ~2 years most open wiorld games will use 8-12 gb RAM
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Because the amount of RAM used by software is rapidly increasing. Having a few launchers open, a webbrowser with a few tabs and playing a game that uses a lot of RAM you can can get close to 8GB with regular use. Spend a little more (getting 16 GB compared to getting 8 GB isn't an expensive upgrade at all) and you basically never have to worry about it.
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Maybe for gaming and gaming alone.
Me? I ran out of my 16GB RAM during the first week of this build over five years ago. Needless to say, it has been a struggle which I don't want to repeat with my 2018 PC build.
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Are they pretending?
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Because the whole system uses ram.
So I always want it to have enough To always run efficiently.
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Not even running a game. Nearly 7GB used in W7. Even a source game would put that over 8GB.
Sure, you can run 8GB and mostly be fine I guess, but for how long? May as well get 16GB now and not have to worry about it, and then upgrade to 32 next time RAM is cheap. I mean, I did. 's great. Hardly ever use even half my RAM, and if I go for a long session with a lot of high resolution reference material and tons of layers, that extra RAM will be handy.
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I sweated over over whether to go with 8 or 16GB when I put this PC together six years ago. In the end I went with 8 to keep costs down (2 x 4GB, motherboard only has two RAM slots). In retrospect I don't think it would have made any difference if I had gone with 16.
If I was building a PC now (no plans to do so) I would go with 16GB, though. EDIT Not even running a game. Nearly 7GB used in W7. Task Manager shows I'm currently using 2.1GB of system RAM. Most of my gaming time is spent on M & B Warband, which only uses about 1GB.
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I used to use 6 GB on back on X58. The issue start of when you quit a game & run another games afterward. It take a hit on the media storage device. It's not so bad if you have a SSD, but quite noticeable with a HDD.
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I had problems running Andromeda and Mankind Divided on 8gb. Upgraded to 16gb and they ran so much better.
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Damaged7 posted...
I had problems running Andromeda and Mankind Divided on 8gb. Upgraded to 16gb and they ran so much better. Actually, that reminds me, back in 2010 or so, there were some games(APB comes to mind) that would stutter if you had 8GB, but with 12 or more, they ran smooth. Exceptions to the rule and all, but still, that far back, some games were just memory hogs.
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Some of the games require more than 8. 16 is the recommended.
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Because I don't want to close my browser every time I open an another program.
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What?
 I'm using 9GB of Memory right now.
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When you grow up and use programs that require large amounts of RAM, maybe then we'll hear the pop of your head being pulled out of your ass.
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Multiboxing eats RAM.
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As someone who plays a little bit of everything, and still occasionally gets into the odd new release graphical powerhouses....Nope, 8GB is not enough.
When I've frequently seen games hit 4/6/8GB for just the game itself, 8GB total is not going to cut it. Better to have plenty of wiggle room for overhead than to be sweating having to close every web browser and kill tasks just to run a damn game properly. Hell even with 16GB I've contemplated wanting 32GB instead if it wasn't another $120+ to get it.
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I pretend to need 32GB of RAM. Never have used that much, but I'm glad I got it back over a year ago when it was as much as 16GB is now.
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Future proof.
Pubg can hit 10gb ram usage You can't afford it
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I am upping my ram from 16 to 32 next year. This way I can just have everything open and not have to worry about anything. I routinely have 20-30 tabs open on chrome.
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Judgmenl posted...
What? What the hell do you have opened?
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Fade2black001 posted...
What the hell do you have opened? 
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Judgmenl posted...
Fade2black001 posted...What the hell do you have opened? Is that it? I have like 40 tabs of chrome opened among other things and only have 5GB of RAM usage
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Only 6 tabs right now.
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I multitask. I use over 8gb of ram every single day.
8gb was safe 5 years ago, 16 is safe now, 32 will be safe in probably 4 years.
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Fade2black001 posted...
Is that it? I have like 40 tabs of chrome opened among other things and only have 5GB of RAM usage Did you miss the fact he's literally running PUBG (Tslgame.exe) AND streaming (OBS.exe) at the same time, when that screenshot was posted? That's 6GB of his RAM right there. Hell when I run PUBG it can and has hit 6GB of RAM on it's own.
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cody4783 posted...
Fade2black001 posted...Is that it? I have like 40 tabs of chrome opened among other things and only have 5GB of RAM usage Sounds like bad optimization
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95_Eclipse posted...
I multitask. I use over 8gb of ram every single day. 8GB is still safe
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Fade2black001 posted...
Sounds like bad optimization Sounds like it's a good game. Have YOU played it?
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Judgmenl posted...
Fade2black001 posted...Sounds like bad optimization Have absolutely no interest in playing a Hunger Games game
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- Why do a lot of people pretend they need more than 8gb of RAM?
Then don't say s*** about it.
There's a reason why it's #3 on Steam by concurrent players despite not being an esports game (And that the company is desperately trying to make it one).Judge, Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. | http://hwbot.org/user/secretdragoon/
You're a regular Jack Kerouac(edited 3 days ago)Why do a lot of people pretend to know what total strangers need?Judgmenl posted...Then don't say s*** about it.
There's a reason why it's #3 on Steam by concurrent players despite not being an esports game.
I'm not saying s*** about it...Put on a smile cause Jesus loves youYou said it was unoptimized.Judge, Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. | http://hwbot.org/user/secretdragoon/
You're a regular Jack KerouacJudgmenl posted...You said it was unoptimized.
still not talking s***...Put on a smile cause Jesus loves youJudgmenl posted...You said it was unoptimized.
But it is poorly optimized. Good game, but poorly optimized. It'll get better, that's why it's in early access.for most people, it doesn't go pass 8gb.
not everybody streams and video edits.I'm at 6GB average just opening tabs and watching videos on a daily basis, so with 16 GB I don't have to close tabs just to play a game.Fade2black001 posted...cody4783 posted...
Fade2black001 posted...
Is that it? I have like 40 tabs of chrome opened among other things and only have 5GB of RAM usage
Did you miss the fact he's literally running PUBG (Tslgame.exe) AND streaming (OBS.exe) at the same time, when that screenshot was posted? That's 6GB of his RAM right there.
Hell when I run PUBG it can and has hit 6GB of RAM on it's own.
Sounds like bad optimization
A rare post where Fade is correct. Also lol at Judgmenl's post. That guy gets super triggered whenever anyone makes any criticism about a game he likes. PUBG being a good game or not has no relevance to the fact that it is an unoptimized pile.
Also the more RAM you have, the more the system is gonna use. So saying "I have Win7 using 8GB alone now!!!" means absolutely nothing. I have Win7 right now with 30 chrome tabs open and a video game running and I'm not even using 5GBs.Bolsonaro 2018
Fizz Buzz for lifeEast West posted...not everybody streams and video edits.
Folks don't need to do either much less both of those tasks to go over 8GB either. I hit 87% RAM usage yesterday after having the Path of Exile client up for 6 or 7 hours and not having restarted Firefox in a day or so.
Tyranius2 posted...Also the more RAM you have, the more the system is gonna use. So saying "I have Win7 using 8GB alone now!!!" means absolutely nothing. I have Win7 right now with 30 chrome tabs open and a video game running and I'm not even using 5GBs.
And I'm using Windows 7 with no games up, and I'm sitting at 7434MB or so used. Just four Firefox windows with maybe 20-25 loaded tabs and another 40-50 unloaded tabs using up 1.6GB, and my normal assortment of "always on" software. Visual Studio, Outlook, Notepad++, Glyph, Excel, etc.
Hell, my PC's up time is up to 18 days, 17 hours so I'm sure that has some effect on things
All sorts of things out there make the "oh you only need" argument a bigger crock of crap than when Peter Pan took a dump in Hook's nemesis' taxidermied corpse.Logic is the antithesis of faith, else why is it that faith defies logic while logic denies faith?Dont "need" it but it never hurts to have. If you multitask, do video and/or picture editing or other large programs that can benefit then you may need it, for game not so much but hey better to have and not need then to need and not have.Son, you ask "Why should I get 32GB of RAM?" I have just one word for you. Monorail...
no wait, I mean, ThunderCougarFalconBird...
No wait I mean, RAMDISK.
Seriously, you could probably still squeak by on 4GB of RAM if you wanted to.... doesn't mean everyone should do it.
Also, I only just started up my computer a few minutes ago so my RAM usage is really low:
BUT It keeps stuff cached so that if I need to load it again later I get a bit of extra speed there as well.
I'm sure if I check back later I'll probably have closer to 12GB used (I don't need 472 tabs open so I'll never see the massive usage some of you get)http://steamsignature.com/profile/english/76561197969913402.png http://i.imgur.com/VHKOxqN.png
FC: 3325-5440-8407 Dream Code:5E00-0013-7C61(edited 2 days ago)Marikhen posted...And I'm using Windows 7 with no games up, and I'm sitting at 7434MB or so used. Just four Firefox windows with maybe 20-25 loaded tabs and another 40-50 unloaded tabs using up 1.6GB, and my normal assortment of "always on" software. Visual Studio, Outlook, Notepad++, Glyph, Excel, etc.
Hell, my PC's up time is up to 18 days, 17 hours so I'm sure that has some effect on things
All sorts of things out there make the "oh you only need" argument a bigger crock of crap than when Peter Pan took a dump in Hook's nemesis' taxidermied corpse.
Goes with what I said, the more RAM you have, the more your system is gonna use. Until we get confirmed reports of someone's windows using 7GB RAM out of 8GBs, your account means nothing. I could run the exact same programs you're running and I bet I would have a lot lower RAM usage. Notice how all the "my system is using 10GBs while idling!!!" posts are made by people who have upwards of 16+ of RAM?Bolsonaro 2018
Fizz Buzz for lifeI've seen games use more than 8GB of ram and it's cheap as f***Titan X Pascal WC 2067mhz | 5820K 4.6ghz | 64GB DDR4 | 950 Pro 512GB | Samsung 4KI probably don't need it for gaming, but I was thinking of upgrading to 32 just for oculus medium alone, some larger high res sculpts take up alot. I get by with 16 but I do on occasion feel the limitations.How slow is your internet that you need that many tabs open that's illogical websites load instantly for me hence why I use book marks and how can you even be interested in that many sites????D3 Armory Profile - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MASKOAA-1251/LB3 posted...Dont "need" it but it never hurts to have. If you multitask, do video and/or picture editing or other large programs that can benefit then you may need it, for game not so much but hey better to have and not need then to need and not have.
Actually it's better to not have it and need it bc if you have it and don't need it you wasted money.D3 Armory Profile - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MASKOAA-1251/MASKOAAA posted...it's better to not have it and need it
Uh... what?
MASKOAAA posted...if you have it and don't need it you wasted money
If you have it and don't need it you can come up with ways to use it. If you don't have it and need it, then it's much harder to come up with ways around it. I mean, yeah you can use the page file.... but ugh. I bought it because at the time, RAM was cheap.
how about this: If buying RAM is such a big deal that you're going to stay awake at night thinking about if you need it or not, or should you buy it or not, then maybe you should save your money. If you have money to spare, it's not that big of an expense and it's not like it expires or something.
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FC: 3325-5440-8407 Dream Code:5E00-0013-7C61I use over 8GB of RAM all the time. Any game that uses over 4GB of RAM will be really uncomfortable to play with 8GB of RAM.MASKOAAA posted...LB3 posted...
Dont "need" it but it never hurts to have. If you multitask, do video and/or picture editing or other large programs that can benefit then you may need it, for game not so much but hey better to have and not need then to need and not have.
Actually it's better to not have it and need it bc if you have it and don't need it you wasted money.
I rather waste money than be put in a position where I need something but don't have because I'm too cheap to get it. In the end, if I really needed it, I would eventually buy it anyways.For gaming, 8 GB is all you really need. I dont think DDR4 is even standard yet.
Only reason I really bothered to get 16 GB is the 8 x 2 16 GB set was $80 when I was ordering my stuff. And only about $20-30 more than the 8 GB set.
But I also render videos occasionally, and trying to learn how to use applications like Blender. Which can be a nightmare if you dont have enough ram or a powerful enough CPU to keep up with tasks. This goes for other things like photo and video editing. You really cant have enough RAM. But the only thing it really does is make more efficient.EVGA GTX 970 SC | i5-6600k | Corsair 8 x 2 DDR4 | ASUS Z170A | NZXT Phantom 410MASKOAAA posted...How slow is your internet that you need that many tabs open that's illogical websites load instantly for me hence why I use book marks and how can you even be interested in that many sites????
Keeping tabs available is faster and easier than using bookmarks, especially as the number of bookmarks you use increases.
Some sites, like YouTube, also have a tendency to provide dynamic lists of links in response to your actions, and there are times when "daisy chaining" pages in new tabs is a far smarter approach than opening up pages in the same tab and risking "losing" interesting links when you Back up to them an hour or five later.
Then there are sites like poe.trade which monitor items for sale in Path of Exile and allow real time tracking of information so that having multiple tabs open for multiple items makes sense, and pathofexile.gamepedia.com has several pages full of useful information that take a while to load no matter how fast your connection is. I've got COX's 150Mbps package, and the affix lists hosted on the site can take a minute or two, no exaggeration, to load up, more if the site's under heavy strain at the time.
I don't see the point in trying to function with just one window and 3 tabs if your computer can support more.
Since my computer can support a more-than-minimum number I will enjoy having the current anime I'm watching up on Crunchyroll while having the complete listing of episodes open in another tab. Likewise I'll enjoy having one tab apiece open for Path of Exile's Normal, Cruel, and Merciless Layouts rather than reloading the same pages over and over again every 10 minutes or 10 hours when I go back in. I'll keep a dozen different YouTube pages in tabs, though not necessarily loaded, so that when I want to listen to this song or that song until I burn out on it and close the tab, never needing to bookmark the page because I'll likely never listen to the song again, I can do so before switching to another tab to have a talking head yammer away while I play Path of Exile.
Might as well ask why I keep Procurement and POESkillTree, two Path of Exile specific programs, up and running alongside Visual Studio and an item management program I'm tinkering around with, also for Path of Exile, at pretty much all times even when I'm playing other games like Fallout 4 or Reassembly.
The resources are there to be used, and not using them when doing so can make my life easier would be silly.
MASKOAAA posted...
Actually it's better to not have it and need it bc if you have it and don't need it you wasted money.
I'll take not having low memory messages unless a program's bugged over a program bugging out because I'm low on memory any day of the week.Logic is the antithesis of faith, else why is it that faith defies logic while logic denies faith?(edited 2 days ago)I had to close all other programs to run W3 on 1080p with 8gigs. I finally upgraded because I couldn't play Mankind Divided at 1080p with 8gigs at all. Not saying its a requirement at all but if you intend to game (which most people here do), paying a little extra for 16gigs makes sense. The people with 24 or 32 though, thats excessive outside of very specific tasks."Rest of league playing checkers, Chargers playing E-Sports." Drug_Smoker.Teen Girl Squad posted...The people with 24 or 32 though, thats excessive outside of very specific tasks.
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FC: 3325-5440-8407 Dream Code:5E00-0013-7C61(edited 2 days ago)As a consumer, if I had only 8GB then I would have had to go back to the days when I had to close everything just to play a game. Now that I have 16, I can multitask as much as I need, as well as keep Chrome open for a really long time without having to worry about RAM usage. If I were a content creator, I definitely would have considered 32 though.I don't need the whole 16GB yet, but has certainly pushed past the 8GB mark more than a few times.It's simple really. If a game/app stops having issues with more RAM, it makes sense to just keep the RAM.Just let it go, alright.Tyranius2 posted...I can realistically see the need for 12GB for gaming. Anyone saying 16GB is a requirement is probably just reassuring himself.
People who use their PCs for more than just gaming and do streams, video editing etc probably make good use of the 16GBs but if we're talking just gaming, it's a waste.
nobody is going to waste their time going for 12 gb of ram
what are they gonna do, buy an 8 gig and a 4 gig stick? maybe run two 4gb sticks in dual channel and run another 4 gb stick?
people will go 16 gb in dual or quad channel because its the only feasible step up from 8gb if youre not looking to sacrifice performance. i only game in 1080p and theres only a couple games that ever use over 8 gb of ram. still i had to go for two more sticks because nothing else made sense at the time.
i agree with your comment though, most games these days arent gonna use much more than 8 gb of ram and 12 on the safe side, but going from 8 to 12 gb isnt really much of an upgrade path which is why people will tend to just fill the other two slots on their motherboard when they go to upgrade their ram.
pretty much if youre a performance snob going from 8 to 16 gb pretty much is a requirement. i dont necessarilly see it that way but yeah you dont really see too many pc's these days running 12 gbs of ram outside of a laptop or a prebuilt. it just doesnt really make a whole lot of sense, even though 12 gb should be enough for pretty much anything these days outside of hardcore video editing, it would still run faster on a dual or quad channel setup. though outside of gaming, i dont think it would make much of any difference at all. especially if you step away from your pc while its doing all the rendering and converting and whatnot. when it all comes down to it, youre probably not going to notice that extra couple minutes you saved encoding that video anyways. but gaming is a bit different, especially when youre trying to squeeze in all the frames you can
imho i think devs are just getting lazy with optimization. all of a sudden games are calling for tonnes of ram when their games pretty much run and look the same as their last ones, even using the same engines. id like to believe they focus less of their time trying to optimize their games for the pc platform and focus more of their time on how to implement more dlc and microtransactions. thats just my tin foil hat theory thoughI cant afford a good vacation, so i'm just going to drink until i dont know where i am.(edited 2 days ago)because some people actually need it......See The Game Collection
http://people.ign.com/nights_team2k7/gamesTeen Girl Squad posted...I had to close all other programs to run W3 on 1080p with 8gigs. I finally upgraded because I couldn't play Mankind Divided at 1080p with 8gigs at all. Not saying its a requirement at all but if you intend to game (which most people here do), paying a little extra for 16gigs makes sense. The people with 24 or 32 though, thats excessive outside of very specific tasks.
RAM + VRAM.Daisy amiibo sass!
Switch FC - 5067-3358-4023bikeblaster posted...I use over 8GB of RAM all the time. Any game that uses over 4GB of RAM will be really uncomfortable to play with 8GB of RAM.
Name all the games you have played that physically take up 4GB or more of RAM themselves.Put on a smile cause Jesus loves youFade2black001 posted...bikeblaster posted...
I use over 8GB of RAM all the time. Any game that uses over 4GB of RAM will be really uncomfortable to play with 8GB of RAM.
Name all the games you have played that physically take up 4GB or more of RAM themselves.
Fallout 4, Witcher 3, (modded) Skyrim, GTA V, seems like most open-world games are RAM hogs. Usually happens when you have a game on for long periods of time.The most WItcher 3 and GTA V took up for me was maybe 3.5GB but it averaged to be more like 3.2Put on a smile cause Jesus loves youlmao I'm on my latop right now and already 64% of memory is taken up (5 gigs and some change out of 8).
My simple browsing habits alone take up 5 gigs of ram (i have 21 chrome tabs open+skype+ steam) If I opened up a game right now I'd most likely see major performance hits while on my desktop with 32 gb of ram I'd be good to go.i7 6900k | 2x GTX 1080ti FE (SLI) |MSI x99 Gaming PRO | 1tb 960 PRO EVO M.2 SSD| DDR4 32 gig 3200 RAM | EVGA P2 1200W
Bench: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21395525(edited 2 days ago)Ratchetrockon posted...lmao I'm on my latop right now and already 64% of memory is taken up (5 gigs and some change out of 8).
My simple browsing habits alone take up 5 gigs of ram (i have 21 chrome tabs open+skype+ steam) If I opened up a game right now I'd most likely see major performance hits while on my desktop with 32 gb of ram I'd be good to go.
I have 45 chrome tabs opened and steam and only using 4GBPut on a smile cause Jesus loves you8gb is for like a livingroom media center PC.Fade2black001 posted...Ratchetrockon posted...
lmao I'm on my latop right now and already 64% of memory is taken up (5 gigs and some change out of 8).
My simple browsing habits alone take up 5 gigs of ram (i have 21 chrome tabs open+skype+ steam) If I opened up a game right now I'd most likely see major performance hits while on my desktop with 32 gb of ram I'd be good to go.
I have 45 chrome tabs opened and steam and only using 4GBi7 6900k | 2x GTX 1080ti FE (SLI) |MSI x99 Gaming PRO | 1tb 960 PRO EVO M.2 SSD| DDR4 32 gig 3200 RAM | EVGA P2 1200W
Bench: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21395525SweetieBelle462 posted...8gb is for like a livingroom media center PC.
I do all my my gaming just fine on 8GB of ram. 4GB is more than fine for a media center PCPut on a smile cause Jesus loves youRatchetrockon posted...Fade2black001 posted...
Ratchetrockon posted...
lmao I'm on my latop right now and already 64% of memory is taken up (5 gigs and some change out of 8).
My simple browsing habits alone take up 5 gigs of ram (i have 21 chrome tabs open+skype+ steam) If I opened up a game right now I'd most likely see major performance hits while on my desktop with 32 gb of ram I'd be good to go.
I have 45 chrome tabs opened and steam and only using 4GB
OK...Put on a smile cause Jesus loves youInteresting. Here's mine with Firefox and Steam running....for me, 8GB is definitely not enough for me. I only had 1 tab up and a few programs running in the background. And when Black Ops III came out, 16GB was not enough so I maxed my board just in case.See The Game Collection
http://people.ign.com/nights_team2k7/gamesBecause if a game needs 8GB of RAM, I'm not going to have just 8GB of RAM, I like wiggle room. This is why 16GB should be considered the norm, imo.Rig: R5 1600X @ 3.9Ghz | MSI B350M Bazooka | EVGA GTX 1080 | 16GB 3200mhz DDR4
Headset: Philips SHP9500 + V-MODA BoomProMy only concern is how much RAM Mount and Blade 2 Bannerlord will require to run well. If it doesn't need that much I'll be making do with my current components for a long time.mariopaper posted...Fade2black001 posted...
bikeblaster posted...
I use over 8GB of RAM all the time. Any game that uses over 4GB of RAM will be really uncomfortable to play with 8GB of RAM.
Name all the games you have played that physically take up 4GB or more of RAM themselves.
Fallout 4, Witcher 3, (modded) Skyrim, GTA V, seems like most open-world games are RAM hogs. Usually happens when you have a game on for long periods of time.
Played Witcher 3 quite comfortably with my 8GBs.Bolsonaro 2018
Fizz Buzz for life6.3GB/7.9GB used currently.
I have at least 10 Chrome tabs open, 2 instances of Visual Studio, git bash, Sublime Text, and SQL Management Studio.
Notice there is not a single game listed there. 8GB is not enough.
This is a work development box. My home computer has 32GB.(edited 2 days ago)When I got my PC I maxed out the RAM to 32GB.
It is still not enough.
Editing a SINGLE PHOTO (50 megapixels) completely destroys the buffer. I always expect that when I hit Process, it will create a dump file, crash Lightroom to Desktop but it saves the edit data, and then I re-boot Lightroom, and hit process.
Even with 32GB, If I make 10-15 tweaks to a RAW photo, and then try to export it, I always run out of Memory. I have even used thumbdrives to try to boost the Cache, but it doesn't help.
God forbid I have a SCANNED Portrait that was hanging on someone's refrigerator for 20 years, and they need it cleaned up. That sort of project ends up in the 120 Megapixel territory, and I am usually in Photoshop for that. Which means I have to save EVERY 5 MINUTES, just in case I fix too large of an area, and it crashes the whole computer... not just photoshop.If what I said doesn't makes sense... it's because you don't want it to make sense.Idk why ppl recommend 16gb, future proof is my guess since most of the ppl i know want the same pc for years and next windows will probably be a b****. Either way, there are some ppl that need more, usually streamers, ppl who use heavy audio video software or, in my case, i need to setup multiple vms. I'd still recommend 8gb for the majority of ppl interested in games.
Lienhart posted...I have at least 10 Chrome tabs open, 2 instances of Visual Studio, git bash, Sublime Text, and SQL Management Studio.
git bash doesnt consume much run and neither does sublime text (altho that varies on how many projects you have opened). Not too sure why you'd open two visual studio instances... at least eclipse is capable of accomodating multiple projects in the same instance. Either way, i think the keyword there is what general ppl need since he mentioned recommendations.... most ppl would probably close all those IDEs while gaming. SQL Server run a lot of those update statistics/indexes on background (which is often IO bound), even with 32 gb ram its in your best interest to close that thing as well as stop the service if its on your local machine.(edited 2 days ago)I had 16GB of RAM. It was the perfect amount of RAM for gaming/general computing, nothing I did used it all. Sadly, one of my two 8GB RAM sticks I ordered was defective upon arrival, which I didn't notice until waaaaaay after I finally installed Windows 7 and upgraded to Windows 10 (which was obviously a few weeks of "fun" with bad RAM).
Now with only 8GB of RAM, I'd say it's about the bare minimum anybody should go for when gaming. Most new games don't use too much, but some open world and/or graphically demanding games eat up RAM like a fat kid in a candy store. If I had to recommend getting 8GB of RAM, I'd instead recommend getting 2x 8GB.| Windows 10 | i5 4590 | GTX 950 | 8GB RAM |
"What is bravery, without a dash of recklessness!" -Hawkeye Gough(edited 2 days ago)More RAM is always good. I am just about to buy another 8 GB stick to have 16 and dual channel. Because of this I have been playing older titles, I really need more RAM for games like Nier Automata to keep a steady 60 FPS at Max...i3 6100, GIGABYTE Radeon Rx 480 8GB WINDFORCE, Corsair Vengeance 8 GB RAM Red LED, EVGA 600w White PSU, Toshiba 500 GB HD, Riotoro CR 480, GIGABYTE Intel H110Lienhart posted...Notice there is not a single game listed there. 8GB is not enough.
So if you bloat your OS leaving stuff open that means 8GB is not enough? Then we can go as high as technology allows it. I'll open 20 chrome tabs, 4 instances of visual studio and 2 instances of SQL Management studio. There, now I can say 16GBs is not enough.
Then I can go and double those program's instances and keep bloating the OS and say 128GBs is not enough. Your argument sounds stupid when we look at it this way. For gaming 8GBs is enough, period. It doesn't matter that you're the snowflake that needs to have a bunch of bloat running.Bolsonaro 2018
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batinoari posted...Idk why ppl recommend 16gb, future proof is my guess since most of the ppl i know want the same pc for years and next windows will probably be a b****. Either way, there are some ppl that need more, usually streamers, ppl who use heavy audio video software or, in my case, i need to setup multiple vms. I'd still recommend 8gb for the majority of ppl interested in games.
Lienhart posted...I have at least 10 Chrome tabs open, 2 instances of Visual Studio, git bash, Sublime Text, and SQL Management Studio.
git bash doesnt consume much run and neither does sublime text (altho that varies on how many projects you have opened). Not too sure why you'd open two visual studio instances... at least eclipse is capable of accomodating multiple projects in the same instance. Either way, i think the keyword there is what general ppl need since he mentioned recommendations.... most ppl would probably close all those IDEs while gaming. SQL Server run a lot of those update statistics/indexes on background (which is often IO bound), even with 32 gb ram its in your best interest to close that thing as well as stop the service if its on your local machine.
Only mentioned what I mentioned because it's on my screen right now.
You can have multiple projects open in the same IDE instance in VS; I prefer having two so I know exactly which one I'm working on (just a me thing really). Also I said SQL Management Studio NOT SQL Server.
On my 32GB machine I've had Black Desert Online open to run AFK stuff, Visual Studio running (swear not hax! ;] ) YouTube going, and sometimes another game open. No lag. Heck, sometimes I forget to close a game and end up with 3-4 games going with still no lag.Lienhart posted...
On my 32GB machine I've had Black Desert Online open to run AFK stuff, Visual Studio running (swear not hax! ;] ) YouTube going, and sometimes another game open. No lag. Heck, sometimes I forget to close a game and end up with 3-4 games going with still no lag.
lmao yeah 32 gb problems. I often times have more than one game running without noticing on my desktop.
On my laptop with only 8 gigs of ram I notice slowdowns in games when i have youtube running and gaming at the same time.i7 6900k | 2x GTX 1080ti FE (SLI) |MSI x99 Gaming PRO | 1tb 960 PRO EVO M.2 SSD| DDR4 32 gig 3200 RAM | EVGA P2 1200W
Bench: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21395525(edited 2 days ago)JohnTidor posted...Because 8GB isn't enough when you have open world games pushing 6-7GB.
This. I have at least 5 games that have a minimum requirement of 8gb. That's min. So these games certainly take advantage of 16gb. If you are happy with 8gb that's great but many games will take advantage of 16gb if it is there, even if 8 isn't the minimum.i7 6700k @ 4.6GHz | CRYORIG H7 | XFX GTR RX-480 8GB | 16GB DDR4 @ 3200 | MSI Z270 | SSD x2 | SSHD 2TB
http://gamercards.exophase.com/128564.png8 gig is more than enough today, but it wont last too much. In 1 or at most two years from now we will be seeing games that wont run at all without 10+ Gb (games that need 8 minimum are already a reality) So if you were to buy a new rig today, or you did the last couple of years, buying 16 already is almost mandatory, even more considering RAM is very cheap.
But if you are a designer or architect you do need 16, 20 if you buy a new rig today I would say. I've been using 16 Gb for the last 12 years because I need that much. Revit for architecture recommends 16 since 2008, and that's the minimum for collaborative projects (32 recommended). 3ds Max for huge projects also has issues with less than 16. I created a proyect in 2010 that needed 14,5 Gb to render. There were no coworkers of mine back in that day that already had 16 like me, not even the professional computers the studio had where I was working.Bu!toyota posted...Most people here would be absolutely fine with 8gb so why is 16 gb always pushed for builds?
Yesterday I had my Oculus Rift up, Steam, 2 tabs in firefox, and a video on youtube to help me configure something.
This is why.3DS FC: 2251-4994-6116 IGN: Jason, X-Box One Tag: D1Tremere, Steam ID: D1Tremere, My Event Pokemon List http://goo.gl/tS8hwCThe f***, how do you accidentally leave three or four games open.Ooo eee, oo ah ah, ting tang, walla walla bing bang.Digital Storm posted...The f***, how do you accidentally leave three or four games open.
One example I can think of:
I have it set so that my windows explorer bar is not shown unless I put the mouse cursor to the bottom.I tend to control+alt+delete to minimize my games(I also tend to quit my games through task manager) and start browsing the internet and I forget I already had a game running. I put my computer to sleep and several hours later I get back on and open up another game. Repeat 1 more time and that is when I notice I have like 3 games running and only because I saw the CPU usage was higher than normal through OSD.
Granted majority of the games I play aren't that demanding but It still takes up ram. I have 32 gb which isn't even that excessive but is still a huge improvement over 8 gigs.
But yeah I think I had Witcher 3 running while also having DMC 3 and Kingdom's of Amular running at the same time. My fps was slightly gimped as well (running in the low 100s at 1440p).i7 6900k | 2x GTX 1080ti FE (SLI) |MSI x99 Gaming PRO | 1tb 960 PRO EVO M.2 SSD| DDR4 32 gig 3200 RAM | EVGA P2 1200W
Bench: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21395525(edited 2 days ago)Digital Storm posted...The f***, how do you accidentally leave three or four games open.
Here's an example from yesterday:
Open TrackMania Stadium2, has a 500MB update and Trackmania servers are slow as hell.
Alt tab, open StarCraft 2, play a game with the intention to go back to TMS2 when it's done. Alt tab because of Facebook message, long conversation ensues. Oven is finally done, go do oven stuff and eat.
Feel like playing Blade and Soul, open BnS.
And there you go, 3 games open. Forgot about #1, forgot about StarCraft 2.(edited 2 days ago)So what you're saying is that you have the attention span of a flea.Ooo eee, oo ah ah, ting tang, walla walla bing bang.Ratchetrockon posted...I tend to control+alt+delete to minimize my games
Just out of curiosity... Why??
Ratchetrockon posted...(I also tend to quit my games through task manager)
Why???
Ratchetrockon posted...Kingdom's of Amular
Amalur, actually.VERY curious cat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlD0e5DUp28
My Steam profile: https://steamcommunity.com/id/marcsm2008MarceloSampaio posted...Ratchetrockon posted...
I tend to control+alt+delete to minimize my games
Just out of curiosity... Why??
Ratchetrockon posted...(I also tend to quit my games through task manager)
Why???
Ratchetrockon posted...Kingdom's of Amular
Amalur, actually.
thank you I knew the word looked weird.
Because DMC 3 is my favorite game of all time and the only way to quit the game is through control alt delete and stopping the application through task manager because its a bad port (used mods to make the game run well). Its just auto pilot for me now since I've been playing DMC 3 on PC for the past 2 years. Also hate going through extra menus to quit games.i7 6900k | 2x GTX 1080ti FE (SLI) |MSI x99 Gaming PRO | 1tb 960 PRO EVO M.2 SSD| DDR4 32 gig 3200 RAM | EVGA P2 1200W
Bench: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21395525(edited 2 days ago)Digital Storm posted...So what you're saying is that you have the attention span of a flea.
Or I can do whatever I want on my day off ;)On the leaving multiple games open thing, some games make it so that you sometimes really don't want to close them. Soldak Entertainment and Grinding Gear Games provide two big examples of this.
Path of Exile has the Raise Spectre skill which lets you turn most NPCs corpses into an ethereal blue copy of the white/normal version of that NPC type. If you try to raise a really cool yellow/rare spider you get a normal/white "trash mob" version of it instead, but you still get a minion from the appropriate (sub)family which can be important since, for example, there are giant bears that curse enemies on hit and other giant bears with a DoT aura.
Soldak Entertainment has many games with a "Raise Dead" skill which is virtually identical to Path of Exile's Raise Spectre except that you get the exact NPC you raised so that a powerful rare/yellow quality minion keeps all of its properties.
In both games good minions can be a pain to acquire. Path of Exile often locks them down by area, and because spectres will lose but not gain levels when you go to different zones you can't just go grab a level 5 variant of your favorite minions to do level 70 maps. Soldak's games, such as Zombasite and Din's Curse, also tend to segregate enemies by zone, but zones are generally easier to move between while the randomized nature of "world" maps makes it a bit easier still. Unfortunately since you get exact copies of former enemies this means that you really want to find good minions to use; at one point I had a summoner using a scorpion that had 1.4k life to her 200 and massive defenses, and thanks to the game "deleting" minions on exit I ended up keeping Zombasite running for something like 2-3 days straight.
Soldak's games make the whole "alt-tab when not playing instead of shut down" thing easier than Path of Exile does though. When you play Zombasite in full screen and alt-tab out, all GPU and CPU activity stops and RAM usage is never all that great to begin with. Path of Exile reverts to a windowed mode when you alt-tab out of it while it's in full screen, and CPU and GPU activity remain high while RAM usage can often go up to around 4GB after extended sessions.
Path of Exile has a skill that lets you convert most enemy types into minions, and some enemy types are harder to acquire than others. If getting minions that you like requires a good bit of effort then you're not going to want to shut the game down for things like a half hour meal break because when you log out you lose your spectres.
Soldak Entertainment does the exact same thing except that when you turn aLogic is the antithesis of faith, else why is it that faith defies logic while logic denies faith?Lienhart posted...Digital Storm posted...
So what you're saying is that you have the attention span of a flea.
Or I can do whatever I want on my day off ;)
You can but try not to make fraudulent claims. You need more than 8GBs because of your attention span. Don't try to say people need more than that.Bolsonaro 2018
Fizz Buzz for lifeTyranius2 posted...Lienhart posted...
Digital Storm posted...
So what you're saying is that you have the attention span of a flea.
Or I can do whatever I want on my day off ;)
You can but try not to make fraudulent claims. You need more than 8GBs because of your attention span. Don't try to say people need more than that.
really, what does "proving him wrong" do for you?See The Game Collection
http://people.ign.com/nights_team2k7/gamesTyranius2 posted...Lienhart posted...
Digital Storm posted...
So what you're saying is that you have the attention span of a flea.
Or I can do whatever I want on my day off ;)
You can but try not to make fraudulent claims. You need more than 8GBs because of your attention span. Don't try to say people need more than that.
So if you've admitted that he needs it because of his attention span, why even challenge him on it? Why not take on actual legit reasons like some games don't function properly for people if they have 8GB?FC: 1221-0777-4703Damaged7 posted...Tyranius2 posted...
Lienhart posted...
Digital Storm posted...
So what you're saying is that you have the attention span of a flea.
Or I can do whatever I want on my day off ;)
You can but try not to make fraudulent claims. You need more than 8GBs because of your attention span. Don't try to say people need more than that.
So if you've admitted that he needs it because of his attention span, why even challenge him on it? Why not take on actual legit reasons like some games don't function properly for people if they have 8GB?
There are a couple of games that recommend 16 gb like Quantum Break.
I think going 8gb at this point is stupid since games are only going to become more demanding. Just a few years ago 4gb was the standard but only a dumb dumb would stick with that.
I mean my laptop has 8 gb and it can run games still but even just opening one youtube video can slow down certain games which is a big no no.i7 6900k | 2x GTX 1080ti FE (SLI) |MSI x99 Gaming PRO | 1tb 960 PRO EVO M.2 SSD| DDR4 32 gig 3200 RAM | EVGA P2 1200W
Bench: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21395525Can someone give me an example of a game that isn't badly optimized that performs bad with only 8GB of RAM?
Saying a game is using a lot of RAM isn't the same thing. Things that are optimized well will try and use all the RAM they can, it doesn't mean if you had 8GB, they'd perform badly. (GTA V, one people keep saying, for example, runs absolutely fine on 8GB. Witcher 3, too)
I think people aren't understanding things here. 16GB is better, but 8GB isn't a deal breaker.
No one should be buying 8GB with new systems now (not because you need 16GB, but because 8GB is a worse value), but if you already have 8GB, upgrading to 16GB isn't something you have to do.Now Playing
Zelda BOTW Master Mode (Switch), Tales of Berseria (PC), Witcher 3 (PC)(edited 1 day ago)Yes, a PC being built now should definitely go with 16GBs. People who have 8GB PCs now are fine though.Bolsonaro 2018
Fizz Buzz for lifeSpaced92 posted...You don't need it for gaming, I need it for work.
sonicteam2k1 posted...Tyranius2 posted...
Lienhart posted...
Digital Storm posted...
So what you're saying is that you have the attention span of a flea.
Or I can do whatever I want on my day off ;)
You can but try not to make fraudulent claims. You need more than 8GBs because of your attention span. Don't try to say people need more than that.
really, what does "proving him wrong" do for you?
I think both of these posters missed the fact that I mentioned what happens at work when trying to develop software.
It's okay though. They're both on my ignore list now lolFade2black001 posted...bikeblaster posted...
I use over 8GB of RAM all the time. Any game that uses over 4GB of RAM will be really uncomfortable to play with 8GB of RAM.
Name all the games you have played that physically take up 4GB or more of RAM themselves.
Batman Arkham Knight
Witcher 3
PUBG
GTA V
7 Days to Die
Space Engineers
Arma 3
Company of Heroes 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
COD BLOPS3
And prob way more, these are the only ones I can think of right now.
Edit: I can also tell you from experience that 6 of the games from the list are unplayable with 8GB of RAM.(edited 1 day ago)bikeblaster posted...Fade2black001 posted...
bikeblaster posted...
I use over 8GB of RAM all the time. Any game that uses over 4GB of RAM will be really uncomfortable to play with 8GB of RAM.
Name all the games you have played that physically take up 4GB or more of RAM themselves.
Batman Arkham Knight
Witcher 3
PUBG
GTA V
7 Days to Die
Space Engineers
Arma 3
Company of Heroes 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
COD BLOPS3
And prob way more, these are the only ones I can think of right now.
All of tose games ran great on 8gb of ram for meD3 Armory Profile - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MASKOAA-1251/MASKOAAA posted...bikeblaster posted...
Fade2black001 posted...
bikeblaster posted...
I use over 8GB of RAM all the time. Any game that uses over 4GB of RAM will be really uncomfortable to play with 8GB of RAM.
Name all the games you have played that physically take up 4GB or more of RAM themselves.
Batman Arkham Knight
Witcher 3
PUBG
GTA V
7 Days to Die
Space Engineers
Arma 3
Company of Heroes 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
COD BLOPS3
And prob way more, these are the only ones I can think of right now.
All of tose games ran great on 8gb of ram for me
bulls***. Black Ops 3 had a MASSIVE memory leak. The game would float and sputter. I monitored the ram usage and it would easily hit 11-12GB and sometimes moreSee The Game Collection
http://people.ign.com/nights_team2k7/gamesMASKOAAA posted...bikeblaster posted...
Fade2black001 posted...
bikeblaster posted...
I use over 8GB of RAM all the time. Any game that uses over 4GB of RAM will be really uncomfortable to play with 8GB of RAM.
Name all the games you have played that physically take up 4GB or more of RAM themselves.
Batman Arkham Knight
Witcher 3
PUBG
GTA V
7 Days to Die
Space Engineers
Arma 3
Company of Heroes 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
COD BLOPS3
And prob way more, these are the only ones I can think of right now.
All of tose games ran great on 8gb of ram for me
Yeah right, I don't believe it. Maybe you played on the lowest settings, or at least textures on low.
Space Engineers maxed out without mods uses 10GB alone when loading the prebuilt stations.
GTA V is nearly unplayable. You have to pretty much close everything in the background.
Black Ops 3 is 100% unplayable with 8GB of RAM if you intend to max out the game.bikeblaster posted...Fade2black001 posted...
bikeblaster posted...
I use over 8GB of RAM all the time. Any game that uses over 4GB of RAM will be really uncomfortable to play with 8GB of RAM.
Name all the games you have played that physically take up 4GB or more of RAM themselves.
Batman Arkham Knight
Witcher 3
PUBG
GTA V
7 Days to Die
Space Engineers
Arma 3
Company of Heroes 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
COD BLOPS3
And prob way more, these are the only ones I can think of right now.
Edit: I can also tell you from experience that 6 of the games from the list are unplayable with 8GB of RAM.
Of those, I played:
Batman Arkham Knight
Witcher 3
GTA V
Arma 3
Company of Heroes 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
COD BLOPS3
just fine on my old GTX 970/8GB of RAM system (I have a GTX 1080/16 GB now)
Actually, BLOPS3 had issues and I think I more or less had to run it on medium high. But that is because it's an unoptimized mess.Now Playing
Zelda BOTW Master Mode (Switch), Tales of Berseria (PC), Witcher 3 (PC)(edited 1 day ago)Lol at 8GB being enough, I've got 13 GB or RAM in use right now with a game not even runningProverbs 3:5 & Galatians 2:20 & John 14:6
http://i.imgur.com/heRqmfH.jpgsonicteam2k1 posted...for me, 8GB is definitely not enough for me. I only had 1 tab up and a few programs running in the background. And when Black Ops III came out, 16GB was not enough so I maxed my board just in case.
You fell for the bugPut on a smile cause Jesus loves youPfff. Because we can easily download RAM.i7 7700k / GTX 1080ti / Asrock Z270 Extreme4 / 16gb DDR4 3200 / 1TB SSD / 6TB HD / BenQ XL2420T 120hz /x2 Chimei 24EH 60hz/ NZXT Phantom / Noctua NH-D14Different programs require different amounts of memory. If you tried Wii U emulation, by default and with a large amount of shaders, games can use up all 16 GB of your RAM and then start pulling from your page file. Some cases, 16GB is not even enough.
PC games at maximum can use 6-7GB of RAM on it's own such as Rise of the Tomb Raider or Mafia 3 at maximum settings. If you plan on having anything open while playing games, you might feel a bit of a stutter.i7-6700K | Team Vulcan 16GB 3000Mhz | MSI z170a SLI PLUS | EVGA 650W G2 | Zotac 8GB GTX 1080 Mini | EA232WMI
e7470 | i5-6300U | 8GB DDR4 | 256GB SSD | HD520I don't pretend to need anything, that went out the door the day I ordered a 1080ti, but 16GB of 3200 was cheap enough and I'm not likely to change my ram out for higher capacity DIMMS since I have an ITX board/system with only 2 DIMM slots.
And I don't plan on upgrading for a while anyways, if I build something new I'll buy another slower set of 8GB sticks. And repurpose this motherboard/cpu/case for an HTPC/1080p gaming system in my living room.Meh posting brought to you by SBL inc. Makers of The Only Ink that Stinks!toyota posted...Most people here would be absolutely fine with 8gb so why is 16 gb always pushed for builds?
I would buy a Corolla GTS 1986 because its fun to own. Don't tell me its different from PC gaming. Both are hobbies for different types of people. End of story.Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. - Hannibal(edited 1 day ago)Knighted Dragon posted...Lol at 8GB being enough, I've got 13 GB or RAM in use right now with a game not even running
Something seems wrong on your endPut on a smile cause Jesus loves you^ indeed. According to that screenshot he has 32 GB of RAM and FF utilises the highest amount at 1.3 GB, while the second highest is 0.1 GB. In fact, if you sum up all the shown processes it comes up to just about 2 GB of RAM and while the list does seem long according to the scroll bar, I doubt the rest would add up to 11 GB, considering they are all under 20 MB each. Even if they were 20 MB each (and they wouldn't be) you need roughly another 550 processes to fill up that amount of memory.
It is likely something hidden that uses the RAM. I did have a friend of mine who had a similar problem with Windows 10 - it was due to a driver leaking memory and it wasn't shown in the task manager - he had to use a process explorer or something to actually see where the issue was and then update the driver to fix it. I would hazard a guess that something similar is happening there - Windows doesn't usually have phantom memory missing. You could sort of encounter that in Linux but it's usually if you're running VMs and then the memory wouldn't be listed in what the application is using but it would be under shared memory, so if you sort processes by RAM usage you might not see that you have a VM using some significant portion of it.We do what we must / because we can. / For the good of all of us. / Except the ones who are dead.Doublesouba posted...Because it will be the new standard soon. Just look at Mass Effect Andromeda. I had frame drops all over the place, then I upgraded to 16gb of RAM, no more frame drops. There are other games too that recommend 12gb of RAM. Sure, it may be because the devs are too lazy to properly optimize their games for PC, but that's irrelevant. Games are requiring more RAM, so you need more RAM. 8gb just isn't enough anymore. So if you're building a new PC, why would you not get at least 16gb?
That just proves that Andromeda is horribly optimized.XboX GT/Steam/Wii-U - NazanirNazanir posted...Doublesouba posted...
Because it will be the new standard soon. Just look at Mass Effect Andromeda. I had frame drops all over the place, then I upgraded to 16gb of RAM, no more frame drops. There are other games too that recommend 12gb of RAM. Sure, it may be because the devs are too lazy to properly optimize their games for PC, but that's irrelevant. Games are requiring more RAM, so you need more RAM. 8gb just isn't enough anymore. So if you're building a new PC, why would you not get at least 16gb?
That just proves that Andromeda is horribly optimized.
regardless, the RAM was still "needed"
there have been so many examples of different games and instances where more than 8GB of RAM is needed and so many people in denial about it. It is what it is. No one is trying to "show off", there are many instances where it's a requirement and or necessity.See The Game Collection
http://people.ign.com/nights_team2k7/gamesvlado_e posted...^ indeed. According to that screenshot he has 32 GB of RAM and FF utilises the highest amount at 1.3 GB, while the second highest is 0.1 GB. In fact, if you sum up all the shown processes it comes up to just about 2 GB of RAM and while the list does seem long according to the scroll bar, I doubt the rest would add up to 11 GB, considering they are all under 20 MB each. Even if they were 20 MB each (and they wouldn't be) you need roughly another 550 processes to fill up that amount of memory.
. . .That's a good point actually, I should probably investigate wtf is going onProverbs 3:5 & Galatians 2:20 & John 14:6
http://i.imgur.com/heRqmfH.jpgcody4783 posted...As someone who plays a little bit of everything, and still occasionally gets into the odd new release graphical powerhouses....Nope, 8GB is not enough.
When I've frequently seen games hit 4/6/8GB for just the game itself, 8GB total is not going to cut it. Better to have plenty of wiggle room for overhead than to be sweating having to close every web browser and kill tasks just to run a damn game properly.
I haven't personally run into a game where my 8GB of RAM was a hindrance, but then I don't typically run a browser full of open tabs in the background, as even if I had the RAM, it seems silly to eat up CPU cycles that could be used to run the game. That being said, it's definitely useful to have 16+ GB of RAM, but at the moment it's not an absolute necessity.Asus P8Z68-V LE | Core i7 2600K | 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 | EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
PS3 | PS2 | PSP| Wii-U | 3DS | DS | X-Box 360 | X-Box | NESJKatarn posted...cody4783 posted...
As someone who plays a little bit of everything, and still occasionally gets into the odd new release graphical powerhouses....Nope, 8GB is not enough.
When I've frequently seen games hit 4/6/8GB for just the game itself, 8GB total is not going to cut it. Better to have plenty of wiggle room for overhead than to be sweating having to close every web browser and kill tasks just to run a damn game properly.
I haven't personally run into a game where my 8GB of RAM was a hindrance, but then I don't typically run a browser full of open tabs in the background, as even if I had the RAM, it seems silly to eat up CPU cycles that could be used to run the game. That being said, it's definitely useful to have 16+ GB of RAM, but at the moment it's not an absolute necessity.
If you're GPU bound, the CPU is sitting idle anyway, and even if not, often times, you'll be thread bound and have free cycles somewhere to eat. Especially on i7, those extra threads are exactly for that kind of scenario.a quad core i7 was just a rebranded celeron -Pengu1n
Anything that has 3p fps or better is fine with me -mucloudmariopaper posted...Fallout 4, Witcher 3, (modded) Skyrim, GTA V, seems like most open-world games are RAM hogs.
I honestly can't recall having seen Fallout 4 go over a 3.6GB RAM footprint. Path of Exile has gone up to a bit over 4GB, and World of Diablocraft (a.k.a. "Diablo 3") has gone up to something like 5GB. It should be noted that RAM usage in Blizzard's Diablo game is more a function of tilesets loaded than time spent playing; if you rush through all of the bounties in every act the game will quickly swell up in RAM, but if you farm the same act repeatedly then the footprint will remain smaller even after 4-5 hours of farming.
sonicteam2k1 posted...Nazanir posted...
Doublesouba posted...
Because it will be the new standard soon. Just look at Mass Effect Andromeda. I had frame drops all over the place, then I upgraded to 16gb of RAM, no more frame drops. There are other games too that recommend 12gb of RAM. Sure, it may be because the devs are too lazy to properly optimize their games for PC, but that's irrelevant. Games are requiring more RAM, so you need more RAM. 8gb just isn't enough anymore. So if you're building a new PC, why would you not get at least 16gb?
That just proves that Andromeda is horribly optimized.
regardless, the RAM was still "needed"
there have been so many examples of different games and instances where more than 8GB of RAM is needed and so many people in denial about it. It is what it is. No one is trying to "show off", there are many instances where it's a requirement and or necessity.
Yeah, the whole, "It's not needed until it's needed, and then because it's needed it's for the wrong reasons and doesn't count" argument is a tad bit silly.Logic is the antithesis of faith, else why is it that faith defies logic while logic denies faith?toyota posted...Why do a lot of people pretend they need more than 8gb of RAM?
Because a fresh install of Windows 10 can happily idle using 12.Hillary For Prison 2017(edited 17 hours ago)16GB RAM is overkill for most peoples' needs.
Professional media editing and running several operating systems at once can benefit from 16GB but gaming is not RAM intensive.tzuyd posted...toyota posted...
Why do a lot of people pretend they need more than 8gb of RAM?
Because a fresh install of Windows 10 can happily idle using 12.
Really? My Windows 10 installation is over a year old
- current uptime is 9 days, since I had to restart for some updates last week
- memory usage is 5.5 gig
- that's with 157 processes running at the moment
It's nowhere near 12 GB. It seems that something is wrong if you have such severe memory issues.We do what we must / because we can. / For the good of all of us. / Except the ones who are dead.(edited 13 hours ago)I'm currently using 6.9/31.9GB (22%) and I'm not playing any games, but I am listening to spotify, and downloading, Steam is running in the background, and firefox is caching Ads non-stop.
When I boot up Dark Souls 3, I won't have all that stuff running. Though it will still probably peak through the 8GB mark.If what I said doesn't makes sense... it's because you don't want it to make sense.why does my uptime say 5 days if I do a full shutdown every since day in fact this PC hasn't been booted up in 4 days....D3 Armory Profile - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MASKOAA-1251/I feel like it may have been said several times already, but I'm going to say it: Don't use the amount of RAM windows is using as an example of anything. Windows uses more RAM the more total ram you have. It's how modern Windows works.
Someone with 8GB of RAM, someone with 12GB, someone with 32GB, and someone with 64GB, all doing the exact same thing in windows would be using very different amounts of RAM.
Been that way since Windows 7.Now Playing
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A PC is used for much much more than just playing computer games......ThePandaForest / Premature Tyrant is don_sfWelcome to 2012.
Modded Skyrim will easily push me past 8gb without chrome tabs up, wallpaper engine running, and music playing in the background. That's just as one window and not in eyefinity.
It's like people don't realize that computers do more than one thing at a time."I refuse to prove that I exist" says God. "For proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing..."You're the reason why people thought that was okay in just cause 3... They really thought gliding across the map in high or max settings at super speed wasn't going to make the game chop.
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