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I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure.
Apparently due to announcing MH: World, no1 is buying XX. Easy for Capcom to say Switch isn't worth it and ditch it. It sickens me. Looks like no western localization. I have a powerful PC to play World but honestly I'm not even interested in supporting a company that does this.
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Yeah, it's sad. :(
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Yup. That's it for Monster Hunter for me. Sad that I put more than 500 hrs in MHGen and won't have the opportunity to transfer my save data to my Switch or N3DS. But it is what it is tons of other games to play.
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Pretty sure it is the fact that Monster Hunter XX is from an old game rather then them sabotaging the sales or because of Worlds.
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Capcom is such a s***ty company for making the sales of rehashed games decide their future support of the Switch.
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ikki5 posted...
Pretty sure it is the fact that Monster Hunter XX is from an old game rather then them sabotaging the sales or because of Worlds. MH4 didn't prevent people from buying MH4U and it was basically the same game with G-rank. The issue is that Crapcom strategically announced MHWorlds around the same time MHXX was announced and therefore is basically using it as a reason not to bring it to the west. The low sales will also allow them to justify not bringing it to the west because MH is popular in Japan and isn't selling well they will say it won't be profitable to bring it to the west. They basically intentionally killed MHXX with MHWorlds. Oh and Sony paid them to not bring any main series MH titles or Worlds to West.
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It's not like the switch can even run MHW in the first place and if it could it wouldn't matter because MHW should be far into development and they don't have time to make gimped version along side the other version. Switch fans should be grateful about getting a monster hunter game at all. Capcom isn't owned by Nintendo and as business they go wherever the money is. If they decide the switch isn't going to make them money then that's that too bad.
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Good. now they can really focus on Worlds and not feel guilty about it
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That wasn't entirely unexpected. After all people already bought well over 1.5 million copies of the same game on 3DS.
I thought it would do slightly better, but I'm not surprised it didn't.
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Andros-2K7 posted...
ikki5 posted... That is some massive conspiracy type s*** right there just like Sony buying people off to not develop for Nintendo. |
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I might get it on the Xbox One X. They sold a lot of the game on the 3DS in Japan and for many there where 3DS seems to be in most gamers hands, there wasn't a point in buying it again.
Capcom already said they had great sales for their other Switch games and this still was on top of the charts with the amount of Switch consoles sold so far. I'm sure Capcom is aware that the high sales of the 3DS version released just a few months earlier had an effect. I don't think they're sabotaging anything. They're still gaging on porting a game many already had in Japan and they seem happy with previous sales on Switch. They're releasing Resident Evil Revilations 1 & 2 soon and said they'll be releasing more. Not sure exactly what sickens you. |
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Andros-2K7 posted...
ikki5 posted... You're also looking at a ~1 million install base compared to a ~23 million install base.
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Not sure what they really expected. They released the game, then released an enhanced version a little over a year later, then a HD release less than a year after that. On top of that, they announce, and are heavily promoting, MHW before the re-rerelease. Not really surprised it didn't sell well.
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You all act like capcom is a company. That place is run like a child was assigned a project in middle school and didn't want to do it until the last min.
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It hasn't even been 6 months since the original debut, I'm pretty sure they knew they'd score low for the series.
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Ouch. Sounds like Capcom made a wise move with the series' return to Playstation.
Finally you will come to understand the extent of Nintendo's greed and Sony's love of gamers.
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Xano1234 posted...
I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure. I don't know how that would make sense. It's in their best interest for XX to do well because it means more money for them. The reason why XX isn't doing well is because Japan already bought X for 3DS, then bought XX, which was an expansion of X sold as a full game, and are now expected to buy it for a 3rd time on a brand new console. It makes sense that it isn't doing that well. MHXX was the most lackluster selling 3DS MH title in the first place. I think everyone is just too paranoid. MH for Switch is inevitable, it just needs time. |
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There's a list of reasons for those sales:
- Switch userbase is not even 1/10th of 3DS - Anual series burning out fanbase - Game is just a visual upgrade of a enhaced version of a game they have been playing either/both version for 2 years - High cost for those who aren't interested in the rest of Switch library Announcing MHW does affect sales since many would buy it now if they were expecting the next MH games going to the system eventually. This isn't sabotage though, MHW just have a much higher priority than XX, not mention it would be quite scumbag-ish to make loyal fans buy a new system and only later reveal the new game isn't coming to it. |
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ikki5 posted...
Pretty sure it is the fact that Monster Hunter XX is from an old game rather then them sabotaging the sales or because of Worlds. I keep hearing this and I dont get why. Do you people who keep spouting "Its an old game" not understand how Capcom has distributed MH games for the past 10 years? Main game comes out, ie Monster Hunter 3, Monster Hunter 4 and Monster Hunter Generations (or MHX). And then the "Ultimate" version comes out, which is a crap ton of added content, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate. Monster Hunter Doublecross is basically Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate. Stop saying its a rehash of an old game or that this is why it didn't sell well. THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE!! Except they didn't localize MHXX (or Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate). |
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I just want my G rank localized so I can transfer my file and keep going. Don't care if it's Switch or 3DS.
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Maybe people are just burned out on MH. It's basically the same game over and over with every release. They need to hit the drawing board and reboot this series into something fresh. MH stories is a nice change of pace for example.
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If Capcom wants to shoot themselves in the foot, why should I do anything but laugh at their self-inflicted pain?
I've been done with Capcom since the PS2 days, and it doesn't look like that's going to change any time soon.
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>port of an old game
>a game that most people who want it already have it >on a console with a smaller install base in japan.Where people are even having trouble finding them. This actually isn't a surprise at all.
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You people are so weird. You think capcom doesn't want money? You think xx flopped because of monster Hunter world?
Capcom knew xx wouldn't sell a lot, it's just an update to a game that isn't even old and if it wasn't on 3ds all the changes could of been done by a patch or cheap dlc. The game sold out on Amazon and was shipped with low expectations to begin with. The lack of business understanding and self hate on this board is brutal
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freedumbdclxvi posted...
I just want my G rank localized so I can transfer my file and keep going. Don't care if it's Switch or 3DS. Same.
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MWXIII posted...
You people are so weird. You think capcom doesn't want money? You think xx flopped because of monster Hunter world? Then why did they make it?
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I don't see what is news worthy about this. The Japanese already bought this game on 3DS. There really isn't enough of a change to warrant re-buying the game again on a portable system when you already have owned it for months on a portable system. Hell, I bet a good portion of those sales are from people outside Japan importing the game like I did.
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The mental gymnastics Nintendo fanboys have to do to blame Sony are incredible, maybe they didn't see a point in localizing when there's no region lock and Worlds simply couldn't run on the Switch.
It's a good thing that Monster Hunter is finally being moved to an enviroment where it can grow and flourish instead of being stuck as a portable PS2 game for a decade. Worlds looks better than anything MH in the last 10 years because it's finally leaving behind many of the archaic s*** flaws that some of the fans praised as positives.
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LimboStudios posted...
maybe they didn't see a point in localizing when there's no region lock There is on 3DS, which means there's no ability to transfer saves from Generations to either version of XX.
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freedumbdclxvi posted...
LimboStudios posted... That IS dumb, it'd be cool if they made an online transfer app without region lock.
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And World looks beautiful and is a Day One buy for me. It still doesn't change the fact that I don't have access to G Rank in Generations.
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LimboStudios posted...
freedumbdclxvi posted... That would absolutely satisfy my complaining.
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If Capcom doesn't want to support the Switch, all they have to do is make no games. Zero. They are not obligated to support the Switch.
The idea that they're purposefully sabotaging their own game is ludicrous.
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Fauch posted...
If Capcom doesn't want to support the Switch, all they have to do is make no games. Zero. They are not obligated to support the Switch. Well they'd probably sabotage any relationship with Nintendo in the future if they did that. Remember nintendo only put more RAM in the switch because capcom specifically requested it for their RE engine. So if they had nintendo do that then not make any games they'd probably never be able to come back and partner with nintendo for anything. They are pretending to try so nintendo can't hold them responsible |
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If the game sells about 300k-400k then it's fine over the next 2 months, I like how people are freaking out over 1 week's worth of sales.
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A port of a port failed to sell well I wonder why
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freedumbdclxvi posted...
LimboStudios posted... It'd take companies admitting that their products are international and that their users have some degree of intelligence, and that's unfortunately a big no for Japanese companies :/ for some reason. I'll just wait for World because Gens had the same problem as 4U, Low Rank was amazing, G-Rank was amazing but High Rank was really lacking. I don't want to go through Gens' High Rank again.
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genesis145 posted...
If they really tried to intentionally sabotage the Switch at this stage, they wouldn't support Nintendo ever again anyway. genesis145 posted... Remember nintendo only put more RAM in the switch because capcom specifically requested it for their RE engine. I seriously doubt that was the only factor. genesis145 posted... So if they had nintendo do that then not make any games they'd probably never be able to come back and partner with nintendo for anything. They are pretending to try so nintendo can't hold them responsible Oh so Nintendo can't see through this charade, but a few fan(boy)s on message boards can? Meanwhile, Capcom's shareholders are completely fine with them sabotaging their own game? Or all of them are just that easily fooled? Seriously, the idea that a company is ruining their own game on purpose is just silly.
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Fauch posted...
genesis145 posted... Didn't say Nintendo can't see through it I said Nintendo can't hold them responsible. Two different things. |
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genesis145 posted...
Nintendo couldn't hold them responsible for making no games either.
Komm suesser Tod
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LimboStudios posted...
freedumbdclxvi posted... True. I don't understand the mindset. I'll probably end up doing the same as far as XX goes - I've enough of a backlog to where replaying a large portion of what I've done in Generations doesn't make sense. Oh well.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't the sales numbers for the Switch version of MH XX actually really good?
MH XX Switch 1st week sales of 84,277 with a Switch install base of 1,527,962 = 5.5% MH XX 3DS 1st week sales of 848,467 with a 3DS install base of 22,520,464 = 3.8% Isn't the Switch version proportionately selling much better than the 3DS version? |
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Ljynk84 posted...
A port of a port failed to sell well I wonder why Its NOT a port of a port!!! Its NOT a port of a 1 year old game!! Its a port of a 6 MONTH old game!! Man! Why are people so stupid! |
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Andros-2K7 posted... It's quite sad people sit and think these thoughts and then post them... Like capcom needs to do this in order to NOT support switch? If they didn't want to support it, they simple wouldn't do it in the first place. Some people have very weird views on companies... Fauch posted... genesis145 posted... It wasn't. Many other developers requested the same thing... so we can only guess how little ram they intended to ship with in the first place :S |
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gbatt posted...
Ljynk84 posted... That's even worse tbh. Everyone who wanted the game just bought it then if it came out 6 months ago. So who's really trying to buy it again. Ports sell usually because of nostalgia. If the game isn't even a year old there's no nostalgia to be a selling factor...so what is there to push the sells for the game? |
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TC do you have a source? I'm surprised this title is doing badly in Japan. I understand it's a port of a recently released game, but from what I understand, Japan is game hungry on the Switch.
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gbatt posted...
Ljynk84 posted... The game came out on the 3DS in 2015 this year an extended version of that game came out on the 3DS and 6 months later a Switch version was released we already got the game twice the only stupid person here is you and stop being dramatic I don't want your s***
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Allmytee posted...
Not sure what they really expected. They released the game, then released an enhanced version a little over a year later, then a HD release less than a year after that. On top of that, they announce, and are heavily promoting, MHW before the re-rerelease. Not really surprised it didn't sell well.
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MasterZhul posted...
Maybe people are just burned out on MH. It's basically the same game over and over with every release. They need to hit the drawing board and reboot this series into something fresh. MH stories is a nice change of pace for example. They are doing this with MH Worlds...
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Going to put in so many hours in World and will double dip on the PC version most likely. Enjoy counting the pixels.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't the sales numbers for the Switch version of MH XX actually really good?
MH XX Switch 1st week sales of 84,277 with a Switch install base of 1,527,962 = 5.5%
MH XX 3DS 1st week sales of 848,467 with a 3DS install base of 22,520,464 = 3.8%
Isn't the Switch version proportionately selling much better than the 3DS version?
The thing I heard was it was sold out at retailers meaning the actually under produced physical copies of the game. I'm not even sure digital copies are tracked, they didn't use to for Nintendo, I don't know why Switch would suddenly have them when Wii, DSi, 3DS, & WiiU didn't. From the sounds of it, it can't sell better, because of lack of Switch units and lack of MHXX physical copies to be counted.
It means day 1/weak 1 sales are less important than many other games. Plus it was already a 3DS, and this is the late release like so many 3rd parties do between Nintendo and other Systems, not themselves. Naturally the 6 months late port has less day 1 sales.Why would people buy f***ing HD port of same game they own when you can get Monster hunter world in just couple of months?however MH switch ver rooms are full of ppl and tons of rooms that is.
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quickposter posted... Numbers indicate nothing.XX came out in Japan on March of this year.
The people who wanted to play it has already put in hundreds and thousands of hours on the other portable device, so it's pretty stupid to think the same people will buy it again.
Also a lot of people who would want to buy it again are probably busy standing in line waiting on the raffle minigame made by Nintendo.Next week Wednesday, it should sell another 45k ~ 50k
So I predict a total of 134k, overtaking the Wii U's MH port.
PC + Handheld = Perfection.People who give the install base as a reason why it sold poorly are ridiculous.
3DS also had a poor install base when MH3G was released, yet it sold 500k the first week and like 2m lifetime. MH is a system seller in Japan, thanks to 3G (and some other games) the 3DS was saved...
The real reason it sold poorly is because it's a port of a game where the install base doesn't care at all about graphics enhancement and anyone who wanted the game pretty much got it... Heck, they probably prefer to play it on 3DS because of the convenient 2nd screen and it being more portable.
Also to the people who think it sold as expected because out of stock at retailer X and Y, according to Famitsu it sold only 40-60% units from the initial shipment.(edited 4 days ago)quotedunnyrega posted...
however MH switch ver rooms are full of ppl and tons of rooms that is.
Glad to hear that, i wish they localized this game a.s.a.p. Really love the graphic, remind me of ps2 era (my 1st mh on console)
Gth to Nazi and Hitler descendants.It's a 3DS game with a sad PS2 graphic level. lol.
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MasterZhul posted...
Maybe people are just burned out on MH. It's basically the same game over and over with every release. They need to hit the drawing board and reboot this series into something fresh. MH stories is a nice change of pace for example.
They are doing this with MH Worlds...
If you've seen the gameplay, you'd realize it's pretty much more of the same with some tweaks (which I'm totally fine with).
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MWXIII posted...
You people are so weird. You think capcom doesn't want money? You think xx flopped because of monster Hunter world?
Capcom knew xx wouldn't sell a lot, it's just an update to a game that isn't even old and if it wasn't on 3ds all the changes could of been done by a patch or cheap dlc. The game sold out on Amazon and was shipped with low expectations to begin with.
The lack of business understanding and self hate on this board is brutal
Then why did they make it?
They always have a main game and an update in the MH series, and they had a few ideas they wanted to implement before the spin-off (X series isn't "canon" to the series) series ended, instead of just shelving them without trying them out. They basically did it for the fans.The sales may have been low, but Capcom isn't as dramatic as these posts.
What's this fish doing in my ear?Xano1234 posted...
I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure.
Apparently due to announcing MH: World, no1 is buying XX. Easy for Capcom to say Switch isn't worth it and ditch it. It sickens me.
Looks like no western localization.
I have a powerful PC to play World but honestly I'm not even interested in supporting a company that does this.
Yes, companies love to spend time and money to not make money, great thinking there @Xano1234
I can't believe people think crap like this up
I got 99 problems but a Switch aint one!saduff posted...
The sales may have been low, but Capcom isn't as dramatic as these posts.
You have to understand that the Super Nintendo Defense Force Fans are butt hurt because certain Monster Hunter games aren't coming to the Switch because for some reason they had it in their heads that Monster Hunter was some franchise that could only be on a Nintendo console.
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Xano1234 posted...
I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure.
Apparently due to announcing MH: World, no1 is buying XX. Easy for Capcom to say Switch isn't worth it and ditch it. It sickens me.
Looks like no western localization.
I have a powerful PC to play World but honestly I'm not even interested in supporting a company that does this.
Yes, companies love to spend time and money to not make money, great thinking there @Xano1234
I can't believe people think crap like this up
No doubt Capcom is responsible for XX doing poorly, but it's probably because they are just so dumb.
Those conspiracy theories that Capcom did it on purpose are ridiculous, why would they not want to earn money? The Switch is likely the only portable system of this/next gen, and they made a s***-ton from the 3DS. Plus it would be less expensive to develop for than the PS4/X1/PC I would assume.(edited 2 days ago)quotesomething316 posted...
scorpio man posted...
Xano1234 posted...
I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure.
Apparently due to announcing MH: World, no1 is buying XX. Easy for Capcom to say Switch isn't worth it and ditch it. It sickens me.
Looks like no western localization.
I have a powerful PC to play World but honestly I'm not even interested in supporting a company that does this.
Yes, companies love to spend time and money to not make money, great thinking there @Xano1234
I can't believe people think crap like this up
No doubt Capcom is responsible for XX doing poorly, but it's probably because they are just so dumb.
Those conspiracy theories that Capcom did it on purpose are ridiculous, why would they not want to earn money? The Switch is likely the only portable system of this/next gen, and they made a s***-ton from the 3DS. Plus it would be less expensive to develop for than the PS4/X1/PC I would assume.
Both of your theories could be considered insane. A multibillion dollar company is filled with dumb people? How did they get to where they are?
On the other hand, a company deliberately sabotaging their own product, who likes to see money walk out the door?
However, both theories do have credibility. Is it smart to promote a new game in the series if you want to sell copies of your current product? That sounds stupid but is what happened.
Is it not business suicide to deliberately undership physical copies of your product to store shelves? I believe it is. If at 88,000 or so copies Amazon was sold out, then how can you possibly sell more units?
My honest guess is that the game will meet or exceed sales expectations but will do so very quietly. I honestly have no idea what Capcom is thinking right now. Make money off Switch users to possibly fund their next PS4 titles? Maybe they have a plan we are not seeing right now and maybe that plan is so stupid it is brilliant. I doubt it though. Just putting it out there.
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something316 posted...
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Xano1234 posted...
I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure.
Apparently due to announcing MH: World, no1 is buying XX. Easy for Capcom to say Switch isn't worth it and ditch it. It sickens me.
Looks like no western localization.
I have a powerful PC to play World but honestly I'm not even interested in supporting a company that does this.
Yes, companies love to spend time and money to not make money, great thinking there @Xano1234
I can't believe people think crap like this up
No doubt Capcom is responsible for XX doing poorly, but it's probably because they are just so dumb.
Those conspiracy theories that Capcom did it on purpose are ridiculous, why would they not want to earn money? The Switch is likely the only portable system of this/next gen, and they made a s***-ton from the 3DS. Plus it would be less expensive to develop for than the PS4/X1/PC I would assume.
Both of your theories could be considered insane. A multibillion dollar company is filled with dumb people? How did they get to where they are?
On the other hand, a company deliberately sabotaging their own product, who likes to see money walk out the door?
However, both theories do have credibility. Is it smart to promote a new game in the series if you want to sell copies of your current product? That sounds stupid but is what happened.
Is it not business suicide to deliberately undership physical copies of your product to store shelves? I believe it is. If at 88,000 or so copies Amazon was sold out, then how can you possibly sell more units?
My honest guess is that the game will meet or exceed sales expectations but will do so very quietly. I honestly have no idea what Capcom is thinking right now. Make money off Switch users to possibly fund their next PS4 titles? Maybe they have a plan we are not seeing right now and maybe that plan is so stupid it is brilliant. I doubt it though. Just putting it out there.
They didnt undership, Capcom shipped around 200k units, seeing as we know the game sold 40-60% through the stock.something316 posted...
slightlord posted...
something316 posted...
scorpio man posted...
Xano1234 posted...
I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure.
Apparently due to announcing MH: World, no1 is buying XX. Easy for Capcom to say Switch isn't worth it and ditch it. It sickens me.
Looks like no western localization.
I have a powerful PC to play World but honestly I'm not even interested in supporting a company that does this.
Yes, companies love to spend time and money to not make money, great thinking there @Xano1234
I can't believe people think crap like this up
No doubt Capcom is responsible for XX doing poorly, but it's probably because they are just so dumb.
Those conspiracy theories that Capcom did it on purpose are ridiculous, why would they not want to earn money? The Switch is likely the only portable system of this/next gen, and they made a s***-ton from the 3DS. Plus it would be less expensive to develop for than the PS4/X1/PC I would assume.
Both of your theories could be considered insane. A multibillion dollar company is filled with dumb people? How did they get to where they are?
On the other hand, a company deliberately sabotaging their own product, who likes to see money walk out the door?
However, both theories do have credibility. Is it smart to promote a new game in the series if you want to sell copies of your current product? That sounds stupid but is what happened.
Is it not business suicide to deliberately undership physical copies of your product to store shelves? I believe it is. If at 88,000 or so copies Amazon was sold out, then how can you possibly sell more units?
My honest guess is that the game will meet or exceed sales expectations but will do so very quietly. I honestly have no idea what Capcom is thinking right now. Make money off Switch users to possibly fund their next PS4 titles? Maybe they have a plan we are not seeing right now and maybe that plan is so stupid it is brilliant. I doubt it though. Just putting it out there.
They didnt undership, Capcom shipped around 200k units, seeing as we know the game sold 40-60% through the stock.
How do you know they shipped that much? We do know Amazon was sold out... and 60% of 200,000 is most definitely not 88,000 or any number close to that so even then, the numbers would not add up.
I lost my second born daughter. I hope my pain is one you never EVER experience. In loving memory of Iyolah Phaeri Hassan 3-31-2006Capcom is really acting dumb, this year.
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something316 posted...
slightlord posted...
something316 posted...
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Xano1234 posted...
I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure.
Apparently due to announcing MH: World, no1 is buying XX. Easy for Capcom to say Switch isn't worth it and ditch it. It sickens me.
Looks like no western localization.
I have a powerful PC to play World but honestly I'm not even interested in supporting a company that does this.
Yes, companies love to spend time and money to not make money, great thinking there @Xano1234
I can't believe people think crap like this up
No doubt Capcom is responsible for XX doing poorly, but it's probably because they are just so dumb.
Those conspiracy theories that Capcom did it on purpose are ridiculous, why would they not want to earn money? The Switch is likely the only portable system of this/next gen, and they made a s***-ton from the 3DS. Plus it would be less expensive to develop for than the PS4/X1/PC I would assume.
Both of your theories could be considered insane. A multibillion dollar company is filled with dumb people? How did they get to where they are?
On the other hand, a company deliberately sabotaging their own product, who likes to see money walk out the door?
However, both theories do have credibility. Is it smart to promote a new game in the series if you want to sell copies of your current product? That sounds stupid but is what happened.
Is it not business suicide to deliberately undership physical copies of your product to store shelves? I believe it is. If at 88,000 or so copies Amazon was sold out, then how can you possibly sell more units?
My honest guess is that the game will meet or exceed sales expectations but will do so very quietly. I honestly have no idea what Capcom is thinking right now. Make money off Switch users to possibly fund their next PS4 titles? Maybe they have a plan we are not seeing right now and maybe that plan is so stupid it is brilliant. I doubt it though. Just putting it out there.
They didnt undership, Capcom shipped around 200k units, seeing as we know the game sold 40-60% through the stock.
How do you know they shipped that much? We do know Amazon was sold out... and 60% of 200,000 is most definitely not 88,000 or any number close to that so even then, the numbers would not add up.
Look at Famitsu sales...
And they say 40-60% no straight out 60, I just took the average number, so if XX sold totally 95k (according to Famitsu) then the initial shipment was about 200k.
Dont know where you're getting this 88k sold from Amazon figure, according to Media Create sales the game didn't even sell as much lolsomething316 posted...
slightlord posted...
something316 posted...
slightlord posted...
something316 posted...
scorpio man posted...
Xano1234 posted...
I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure.
Apparently due to announcing MH: World, no1 is buying XX. Easy for Capcom to say Switch isn't worth it and ditch it. It sickens me.
Looks like no western localization.
I have a powerful PC to play World but honestly I'm not even interested in supporting a company that does this.
Yes, companies love to spend time and money to not make money, great thinking there @Xano1234
I can't believe people think crap like this up
No doubt Capcom is responsible for XX doing poorly, but it's probably because they are just so dumb.
Those conspiracy theories that Capcom did it on purpose are ridiculous, why would they not want to earn money? The Switch is likely the only portable system of this/next gen, and they made a s***-ton from the 3DS. Plus it would be less expensive to develop for than the PS4/X1/PC I would assume.
Both of your theories could be considered insane. A multibillion dollar company is filled with dumb people? How did they get to where they are?
On the other hand, a company deliberately sabotaging their own product, who likes to see money walk out the door?
However, both theories do have credibility. Is it smart to promote a new game in the series if you want to sell copies of your current product? That sounds stupid but is what happened.
Is it not business suicide to deliberately undership physical copies of your product to store shelves? I believe it is. If at 88,000 or so copies Amazon was sold out, then how can you possibly sell more units?
My honest guess is that the game will meet or exceed sales expectations but will do so very quietly. I honestly have no idea what Capcom is thinking right now. Make money off Switch users to possibly fund their next PS4 titles? Maybe they have a plan we are not seeing right now and maybe that plan is so stupid it is brilliant. I doubt it though. Just putting it out there.
They didnt undership, Capcom shipped around 200k units, seeing as we know the game sold 40-60% through the stock.
How do you know they shipped that much? We do know Amazon was sold out... and 60% of 200,000 is most definitely not 88,000 or any number close to that so even then, the numbers would not add up.
Look at Famitsu sales...
And they say 40-60% no straight out 60, I just took the average number, so if XX sold totally 95k (according to Famitsu) then the initial shipment was about 200k.
Dont know where you're getting this 88k sold from Amazon figure, according to Media Create sales the game didn't even sell as much lol
If you are saying it did not sell 88k but saying it sold 40-60% of 200k, what the hell? Even still, I thought you were going to show me a link or something that says Capcom shipped 200k...
I lost my second born daughter. I hope my pain is one you never EVER experience. In loving memory of Iyolah Phaeri Hassan 3-31-2006(edited 2 days ago)quotegenesis145 posted...
Fauch posted...
If Capcom doesn't want to support the Switch, all they have to do is make no games. Zero. They are not obligated to support the Switch.
The idea that they're purposefully sabotaging their own game is ludicrous.
Well they'd probably sabotage any relationship with Nintendo in the future if they did that. Remember nintendo only put more RAM in the switch because capcom specifically requested it for their RE engine. So if they had nintendo do that then not make any games they'd probably never be able to come back and partner with nintendo for anything. They are pretending to try so nintendo can't hold them responsible
I have to interject here because I don't understand this.
Why would Nintendo only make their system as good as it could be because of a request by a third party over a specific game series?
If they could fit more juice inside he Switch wouldn't they have just done that voluntarily to ensure it had the power to run anything anybody would want to develop, just even as a precaution?slightlord posted...
If you are saying it did not sell 88k but saying it sold 40-60% of 200k, what the hell? Even still, I thought you were going to show me a link or something that says Capcom shipped 200k...
Because different sales figures. Just look at the last Media Create topic and go into the link in the first post...
According to Media Create, XX sold 84,277 out of ~172k (less than half), according to Famitsu it sold 94,973 out of between ~237k to ~158k (40-60%)
Now I'd like to see your source for 88k amazon sales?something316 posted...
slightlord posted...
If you are saying it did not sell 88k but saying it sold 40-60% of 200k, what the hell? Even still, I thought you were going to show me a link or something that says Capcom shipped 200k...
Because different sales figures. Just look at the last Media Create topic and go into the link in the first post...
According to Media Create, XX sold 84,277 out of ~172k (less than half), according to Famitsu it sold 94,973 out of between ~237k to ~158k (40-60%)
Now I'd like to see your source for 88k amazon sales?
So, you do not know how much was shipped. And neither do I? But it was sold out on Amazon because I am still waiting on my copy to get here.
I did not say it sold 88k on Amazon. I said it sold 88k and was sold out on Amazon. Maybe it only sold 84k and was sold out on Amazon. I may have gotten that wrong. Regardless, you showed no source that proved they shipped 200k... just that on the high end they MAYBE but most likely did not ship 200k. Which is all we needed. Especially since I did not initially claim to know how much it shipped, you did. I just claimed Amazon was sold out (while selling 88k) and that does sound fishy...
I lost my second born daughter. I hope my pain is one you never EVER experience. In loving memory of Iyolah Phaeri Hassan 3-31-2006slightlord posted...
something316 posted...
slightlord posted...
If you are saying it did not sell 88k but saying it sold 40-60% of 200k, what the hell? Even still, I thought you were going to show me a link or something that says Capcom shipped 200k...
Because different sales figures. Just look at the last Media Create topic and go into the link in the first post...
According to Media Create, XX sold 84,277 out of ~172k (less than half), according to Famitsu it sold 94,973 out of between ~237k to ~158k (40-60%)
Now I'd like to see your source for 88k amazon sales?
So, you do not know how much was shipped. And neither do I? But it was sold out on Amazon because I am still waiting on my copy to get here.
I did not say it sold 88k on Amazon. I said it sold 88k and was sold out on Amazon. Maybe it only sold 84k and was sold out on Amazon. I may have gotten that wrong. Regardless, you showed no source that proved they shipped 200k... just that on the high end they MAYBE but most likely did not ship 200k. Which is all we needed. Especially since I did not initially claim to know how much it shipped, you did. I just claimed Amazon was sold out (while selling 88k) and that does sound fishy...
Looks like I misunderstood your post regarding Amazon.
I didn't say it sold 200k, I said around, and if we go by Famitsu it is correct. 237k would be the high end, don't round it down.
The average would be 190k, which is still, I quote, "around 200k".
Regardless of the exact amount, they only sold around 50% from the stock, so bottom line - they didn't undership.Being brutally honest, I love XX, but it's just so dated and has too many BS monsters in it still. The series needs an overhaul, and I hope World can provide that successfully.
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Both of your theories could be considered insane. A multibillion dollar company is filled with dumb people? How did they get to where they are?
I have to dispute this, look at Nintendo, Nintendo is 90% braindead, outdated out of touch fossils with no understanding of the real world and they scrape by with pure brand recognition and luck.
Nintendo is proof that a bunch of clueless idiots can actually run a multimillion dollar company if there's a system bad enough to allow it.
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Capcom is such a s***ty company for making the sales of rehashed games decide their future support of the Switch.
True. Still, I'm not buying Worlds either!
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NNID, PSN: wisemiddsWhy would they sabotage the sales of something they invested money at?
XX isn't getting released anywhere else but 3DS and Switch. Some money and effort was invested in making the Switch version HD and compatible with the system's features, porting...
Do you seriously think a company would try to sabotage its own potential profit? Do you know how little sense your topic makes?
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Why would they sabotage the sales of something they invested money at?
XX isn't getting released anywhere else but 3DS and Switch. Some money and effort was invested in making the Switch version HD and compatible with the system's features, porting...
Do you seriously think a company would try to sabotage its own potential profit? Do you know how little sense your topic makes?
They didn't do it on purpose, they are just stupid. They clearly sabotaged it. Saying it's not coming west and announcing Worlds after it, saying Worlds is clearly 5 (implying it). Japan in general doesn't want a console MH if they can avoid it, with Worlds they can't, with XX they clearly could.sandstormflygon posted...
It's not like the switch can even run MHW in the first place and if it could it wouldn't matter because MHW should be far into development and they don't have time to make gimped version along side the other version. Switch fans should be grateful about getting a monster hunter game at all. Capcom isn't owned by Nintendo and as business they go wherever the money is. If they decide the switch isn't going to make them money then that's that too bad.
except that those of us in the west who refuse to waste time translating don't get a monster hunter switch title, I don't think the title should count outside it's region options, I don't care if worlds doesn't come to switch but I'll be pissed if western audiences don't get mhxx for at least one of the 2 devices cause japan got mhxx twice and we may not even get to see it localized
and I'm not importing if capcom can't be bothered to translate it for me they don't need my money I won't support being forced to waste time to translate nor do I have the patience it's a pretty text heavy/reliant game despite have next to no story
and I wish people would stop using the excuse that there's a japanese copy of mhxx to tell western audiences to be happy they have a mh on switch and the people who keep saying just import it if you really want it all importing does is boost japanese sales and as a result lower western sales if a game ever gets localized making the localized version look like it sells less
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Monster Hunter XX Nintendo Switch Version debuted at No.1 in the Japanese charts this week, but the news isn't quite as positive as Capcom might have hoped.
According to sales tracker Media Create, the game sold 84,277 units in its first week - which Siliconera notes is the lowest launch performance for a Monster Hunter game in recent years. The Switch port managed just one tenth of the week one sales by the 3DS version, which shifted 848,467 copies when it launched earlier this year.
Obviously, the Nintendo Switch has a much smaller installbase than the 3DS but it's a disappointing start given the series' historic popularity in Japan.
Slightly more worrying is that Capcom has previously said the performance of Monster Hunter on Switch might dictate how much the publisher supports the new Nintendo console.
Warning: the post you just read may contain satire, hyperbole, or deadpan. Reader digression is advised.Beetleking22 posted...
Why would people buy f***ing HD port of same game they own when you can get Monster hunter world in just couple of months?
They wouldn't. Poor XX sales prove MH fans are not platform loyal. Personally I have been wishing for a Next Gen HD MH for 5+ years. MHW is tracking really well on google trends too.
Warning: the post you just read may contain satire, hyperbole, or deadpan. Reader digression is advised.Xano1234 posted...
I'm honestly thinking Capcom is actively trying to Sabatoge the Switch and set themselves up for failure. .
Do you really believe the people at Capcom spent a few millions to develop Monster Hunter XX for the Switch, and is actively trying to lose money on that investment just to sabotage the Switch? Do you realize how incredibly stupid this sounds?tigerseatrabbit posted...
Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't the sales numbers for the Switch version of MH XX actually really good?
MH XX Switch 1st week sales of 84,277 with a Switch install base of 1,527,962 = 5.5%
MH XX 3DS 1st week sales of 848,467 with a 3DS install base of 22,520,464 = 3.8%
Isn't the Switch version proportionately selling much better than the 3DS version?
problem is people have to stop using install base as proof of anything. % of owners dont really mean much. if you have more systems a lower percentage is expected, if you have fewer then a higher % is expected. nintendo systems will tend to have higher percentages for their exclusives, because they are pretty much the ONLY reason to own their systems, especially with the lack of bigger third party games.
also why do people feel companies are sabotaging these games they spend a lot of money on? they would be better off just not making the game at all. they dont HAVE to make them, or prove anything, or explain themselves, just dont make the game.
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Why would they sabotage the sales of something they invested money at?
Ask EA on Mass Effect 3 on WiiU that questions? As for Capcom its easy when Switch is the cheapest of Nintendo System to port for ever, and they spend little very to clean up the game to HD(this isn't RE Revelations). Bring it to the west would cost more money to make more money, far easier to sabotage sales, to try and force Nintendo to foot the bill than spend anything more there. Also the bulk important sales where made on 3DS, so using World to sabotage it on Switch is unimportant to their bottom line. Heck in their mind getting the western fanbase wound up, then Nintendo foots the translation bill next year, would garner more sales on a system with better user base, plus place more interest in the game in the west. It doesn't mater to them that it would likely launch after Worlds, they just assume sales would drop off on Switch the minute Worlds was a thing the other way around.
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Poor XX sales prove MH fans are not platform loyal.
No it proves that the Japanese aren't going to buy late ports on a new system with slightly better visuals when they could already get the game on a system they own. XX didn't sell better else where it sold better 6 months ago on 3DS. The data only tells us exactly what we've always suspected about 6 month late ports Nintendo consoles have always had, versus the Playstation & Xbox version. It's the 6 months late part not that Nintendo gamers didn't want it. Making it compete with its own system the same way proved it.
BobVance posted...
Third party games not selling on a Nintendo console? Jee what else is new
You can't say that you have to look at 3DS MHXX sales combined with Switch's when looking for sales on a Nintendo platform. Using the generic data isn't going to work. Also being Japan only means data needs to be restricted to Japan. There's also the fact that XX is an update to X/Gen, so its got to be treated to Ultimate numbers versus first version across the board, while also acknowledging its a spin-off not a mainline.
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problem is people have to stop using install base as proof of anything.
Actually its kind of relevant here, Switch is in a state of content sell out. This means it can't have buyers that grappled the system just for that game. So owner to game ratio isn't effect by buyers for that game. It's also an old game already on a system with way more owners, in a place where the later fancier graphic rez upgrades do nothing to sales. So ultimately the number of hold outs for the Switch version are cut to the minimum. This is actually relevant because somehow with these restriction Switch still sold more per system than the defused later life 3DS user base.
Obviously at some point over 10 million install base is worthless, as normal series will never achieve more than 10 million sales. Expecting any game to somehow be the Mario Kart or GTA type sales is loony. We basically know 10 million is the upper limit of sales, yet we also know that 5 million is the respected big sell. This means the important sales need no more than 10 million and gains little flux from adding more users, as the additional users just add to sales of lesser games not the mainstream ones.
Monster Hunter being a 4 million max Japanese centric series, means it need less users to test the install base. This is because its a big series but with a restricted market to location, as it sells more in Japan than the average western 5 million seller, but still isn't big enough in the west to meet its 5 million %. Being that the place for growth with install base is the west, and this game is stuck in Japan, the data is more impressive(or relevant).No it still doesn't mean much having a higher percentage doesn't tell you much when the system count is so different.
finally a new .Hack game! its been too long old friend.- Boards
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