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The PS4 and Xbox One have huge internal hard drives which are the size of the Switch itself! Plus, the Switch was designed for docking/undocking so external hard drives are out of the question. Micro SD cards are getting larger and cheaper, so it made sense to opt for NAND storage and an SD card port to extend storage.
Plus, the Blu Ray discs are so slow that the game has to be installed on the hard drive, taking up storage space in almost no time if you want to build a physical game collection. With Switch, physical games take almost no hard drive space (unless you are Minecraft) Developers also fail to compress their assets on PS4 and Xbox One...remember Titanfall's uncompressed audio taking up a ton of space? This is not a problem at all on Switch. The NBA 2K18 developers are at fault here.
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memoryman3 posted...
The PS4 and Xbox One have huge internal hard drives which are the size of the Switch itself! You've never seen a hard drive before have you?
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It’s most certainly possible. Just not cost effective.
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Greggbird33 posted...
memoryman3 posted...The PS4 and Xbox One have huge internal hard drives which are the size of the Switch itself! Looking them up confirms that they won't fit on Switch. Look at this. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-L200-500GB-5400RPM-HDWJ105UZSVA/dp/B0151KM1WS/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1504357754&sr=1-1&th=1 They have moving parts.
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This is a repeat of the Wii U situation.
They could have either expanded the internal storage or outfitted the Switch with MicroSD cards (if that's the medium of choice) instead of offloading the cost to their consumers.
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Fauch posted...
This is a repeat of the Wii U situation. I think 32GB of internal memory is fine. Nearly all games on Switch are 10GB or less, lots of them being under 5GB even. If you play physical then it's almost nothing at all. It helps that good micro SD cards are very cheap too.
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Putting moving parts into a handheld device for kids?
Sure they can just add in a 500gb SSD in there, but those costs about $150. Yes, thats market cost, but you have to expect the Switch price to increase by about another $100.
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Village Idiot posted...
Putting moving parts into a handheld device for kids? Well technically the fan is a moving part. But it has anti vibration padding.
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first off, i got a 125 or whatever micro sd in my system which was Resonably Priced and I Have Not Even Hardly Touched with all the games i have, all digital.
why anyone would need an overpriced 250 is beyond me, let alone 500. second, its future upgradeable. so no matter how crazy a card size they make; if you want it you can add it. its way easier and better than adding harddrives to ps4 and xbox just so you can install Physical Games.
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memoryman3 posted...
I think 32GB of internal memory is fine. It's clearly not, considering what's happening right now. You could have made an argument that it's "fine" if the option to go all physical had been there. It's not though. Several games are not getting physical releases and now it has been revealed that physical games may potentially require external storage. The decision for 32GB internal storage was as reasonable as the 8 GB Wii U model back in 2012.
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They could fit a HDD in a portable system... Just not the Switch (profile is too thin). The real reason they didn't include one has less to do with cost or space, but the viability of a HDD(with moving parts) in a system you'll be playing and moving around a lot.
This is week one stuff people. We went over this COUNTLESS times before the Switch even launched. Why is it coming back now?
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Lol its HDD. Its 2017 this is what i have in my PC. https://www.windowscentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/larger_wm_brb/public/field/image/2016/12/samsung-ssd-960-evo.jpg?itok=sKjvPI1w
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asmodai48 posted...
Lol its HDD. Its 2017 this is what i have in my PC. https://www.windowscentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/larger_wm_brb/public/field/image/2016/12/samsung-ssd-960-evo.jpg?itok=sKjvPI1w That's not cheap at all.
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GaryAtEastern posted...
first off, i got a 125 or whatever micro sd in my system which was Resonably Priced and I Have Not Even Hardly Touched with all the games i have, all digital. That new NBA game and Dragon Quest Heroes already takes up 25gb. This is going to increase over time as there may be mandatory downloads/installs for future games even if you go physical as devs aren't going to want to use 16gb+ cards. Over the lifetime of the Switch you will easily fill up that 250gb unless you mainly buy first party games. asmodai48 posted... Lol its HDD. Its 2017 this is what i have in my PC. https://www.windowscentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/larger_wm_brb/public/field/image/2016/12/samsung-ssd-960-evo.jpg?itok=sKjvPI1w LOL thats about $300 at the moment. You want the Switch to go up another $200 or so?
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memoryman3 posted...
I think 32GB of internal memory is fine. Nearly all games on Switch are 10GB or less, lots of them being under 5GB even. If you play physical then it's almost nothing at all. Agreed.
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Switch really needed 64 GB of internal memory and higher capacity game cards at launch. Well, maybe with the New Nintendo Switch-i Advance.
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Why would they need to use a hardrive? You can fit flash storage of nearly any size in the Switch. It's incredibly tiny. Like the microsd cards that actually do fit in the Switch.
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Nobody was realistically expecting the Switch to have a hard drive. Since the old 1.5-inch PATA drives are no longer in large-scale production, and since hard drives with moving parts aren't ideal for a handheld anyway, they weren't an alternative to using NAND memory.
The alternatives were to include more on-board memory or to include a MicroSD card with the console. That would increase the cost (to Nintendo, maybe not to consumers), but if the argument is that MicroSD cards are cheap enough to be a required purchase, then they're also cheap enough to have been included with the device. memoryman3 posted... I think 32GB of internal memory is fine. It's like when people thought 20GB was fine for the Xbox 360 and PS3. If there are any indications, no matter how early, that console storage isn't sufficient in the first year or so of the console's life, then it will definitely be insufficient by the end of the console's life. 32GB might seem okay to you now after a few months when you've bought a few Nintendo games and some eShop stuff. If you plan to keep buying Switch games regularly, by 2021 32GB is going to seem woefully inadequate, and I imagine by then almost all Switch owners will be using a lot more space - either via MicroSD cards or because newer revisions of console will have higher internal capacities. |
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Istolla posted...
Switch can support up to 2 terabyte micro SD cards. The question is if micro SDs will even get that high before another micro storage format is created.
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memoryman3 posted...
Fauch posted...This is a repeat of the Wii U situation. 32GB is pathetic for a moderns game console but it does suit the switch. A system that stands no chance with 3rd party so yeah it doesn't matter if the switch has only 32GB. |
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Village Idiot posted...
GaryAtEastern posted...first off, i got a 125 or whatever micro sd in my system which was Resonably Priced and I Have Not Even Hardly Touched with all the games i have, all digital. If they don't opt to use 32GB cards, they are cheapskates.
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SanDisk just got 400gb into a SD card, so who knows about getting storage into future Switch hardware revisions? Just to add, it won't necessarily be HDD since it can be eMMC memory or something that works in concert with portable hardware. HDD might work in laptops, but UFS and eMMC are methods to get big memory sizes into smaller devices. I believe Apple will be getting 512gb into its iPhone 8 highest model from what rumors are saying.
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Since the Wii Nintendo was capable of allowing you to transfer games and data across the system memory, SD cards and since the Wii U also HDDs, and none of that took longer than a few seconds...
Making HDD dock-only wouldn't be 1/10 as convoluted as some users here who like to damage control for Nintendo claim.
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SearchmanV16 posted...
SanDisk just got 400gb into a SD card https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-SDXC-UHS-I-SDSDXPA-512G-G46/dp/B00NP699ZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504368700&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+512+gb ??? This thing has been around since before Switch's launch.
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Anyone could have predicted that the pathetic 32gb in the Switch wasn't going to be enough. It's common sense.
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EternalWaltz posted...
Anyone could have predicted that the pathetic 32gb in the Switch wasn't going to be enough. It's common sense. To be fair no console this gen has good internal memory at launch. My ps4 was filled in 6 months as games install themselves same with the Xbox one I had (sold as didn't like Xbox one but if others do that's cool)
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Sure they could SSD's are tiny.
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ssjmole posted...
EternalWaltz posted...Anyone could have predicted that the pathetic 32gb in the Switch wasn't going to be enough. It's common sense. another person getting confused between memory (ram) and storage space (HDD)
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IloveElite posted...
ssjmole posted...EternalWaltz posted...Anyone could have predicted that the pathetic 32gb in the Switch wasn't going to be enough. It's common sense. If you mean me I assumed he was talking hardrive as that's what topic is about. I'm not sure how much memory it had built in as Day one I popped in a card incase as I download games too
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ssjmole posted...
EternalWaltz posted...Anyone could have predicted that the pathetic 32gb in the Switch wasn't going to be enough. It's common sense. Yeah, even the 500gb-1tb that PS4s have is on the low side these days because of game sizes and patch sizes etc. Storage solutions aren't becoming cheap enough to match the rate at which games are growing in size.
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Village Idiot posted...
GaryAtEastern posted...first off, i got a 125 or whatever micro sd in my system which was Resonably Priced and I Have Not Even Hardly Touched with all the games i have, all digital. For quality? Yes. Nintendo is cheap and doesn't sell systems at a loss, sony and Microsoft do and it pays off.
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Bahamut_10th posted...
Since the Wii Nintendo was capable of allowing you to transfer games and data across the system memory, SD cards and since the Wii U also HDDs, and none of that took longer than a few seconds... Yes it would. When you undock the system it could be damaging.
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ssjmole posted...
IloveElite posted...ssjmole posted...EternalWaltz posted...Anyone could have predicted that the pathetic 32gb in the Switch wasn't going to be enough. It's common sense. Their point is that if you are talking about a harddrive (HDD) then you are not talking about memory but rather you are talking about storage space. They are two different things.
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MWXIII posted...
Village Idiot posted...GaryAtEastern posted...first off, i got a 125 or whatever micro sd in my system which was Resonably Priced and I Have Not Even Hardly Touched with all the games i have, all digital. ... You realize Nintendo sold the Wii U at a loss, right? And that Nintendo doesn't have a dozen other things to fall back on in case their gaming division does poorly?
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memoryman3 posted...
Looking them up confirms that they won't fit on Switch. Look at this. He HAS to be trolling at this point.... That, or this is why people who have no idea how computers and technology work shouldn't argue about it...
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Cyber Akuma Zero posted...
memoryman3 posted...Looking them up confirms that they won't fit on Switch. Look at this. In this specific case, the posted drive is 1" thick. The Switch is just over half an inch thick. Explain how he's wrong saying that specific drive won't fit - cause that's not related to computers or techs. That's physics.
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freedumbdclxvi posted...
In this specific case, the posted drive is 1" thick. The Switch is just over half an inch thick. Explain how he's wrong saying that specific drive won't fit - cause that's not related to computers or techs. That's physics. Nice try, but fail. In the topic title, he said "a", not that specific drive. And in that post, he said "they", referring to all 500GB drives, not "this drive". Really pathetic attempt to defend someone who knows jack-all about tech by attempting to argue semantics just because they are also defending Nintendo when we BOTH know what was wrong with his argument.
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First off hard drives can be small. Second, they should have made the DOCK more than just a pass through waste of space and had it with a hard drive in it and other parts to make it much more stable for tv use. And then you could transfer back and forth to use games from your hard drive in portable mode. Also, if they were to use a SSD it would be even better, due to fast transfers.
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guesswho33 posted...
First off hard drives can be small. Second, they should have made the DOCK more than just a pass through waste of space and had it with a hard drive in it and other parts to make it much more stable for tv use. And then you could transfer back and forth to use games from your hard drive in portable mode. Also, if they were to use a SSD it would be even better, due to fast transfers. That would make the whole concept of a Switch really f***ing complex
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guesswho33 posted...
First off hard drives can be small. Second, they should have made the DOCK more than just a pass through waste of space and had it with a hard drive in it and other parts to make it much more stable for tv use. And then you could transfer back and forth to use games from your hard drive in portable mode. Also, if they were to use a SSD it would be even better, due to fast transfers. An HDD in the dock would not work, because the Switch needs to be able to keep running the game with virtually no interruption when you unplug it from the dock. You can't do that if a game is running off of that HDD.
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guesswho33 posted...First off hard drives can be small. Second, they should have made the DOCK more than just a pass through waste of space and had it with a hard drive in it and other parts to make it much more stable for tv use. And then you could transfer back and forth to use games from your hard drive in portable mode. Also, if they were to use a SSD it would be even better, due to fast transfers. I think the bigger issue is the inevitable port strike
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EternalWaltz posted...
Baha05 posted...guesswho33 posted...First off hard drives can be small. Second, they should have made the DOCK more than just a pass through waste of space and had it with a hard drive in it and other parts to make it much more stable for tv use. And then you could transfer back and forth to use games from your hard drive in portable mode. Also, if they were to use a SSD it would be even better, due to fast transfers. Or you know you can cut the bulls*** jokes aside and look at the actual problem. One of the key selling points is the ability to switch between modes quickly. If you add a HDD to the Dock you are pretty much limiting the system to TV only, becasue in order for it to work would mean pausing any game you are playign that's on the Docks HDD over to the systems memory.
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Fauch posted...
This is a repeat of the Wii U situation. So you think they'd give us a portable console with 256 GB for 300? What they should've done is had a few size options at different price points. |
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Garrafan posted...
Fauch posted...This is a repeat of the Wii U situation. I never said anything about $300. I just hate deception and buying a system where accessories are pretty much mandatory doesn't sit well with me. I'd wager the majority would agree with me, hence Nintendo quickly pulling the 8GB Wii U model from the shelves. I would have preferred a $400 model with 64GB/128GB, yes.
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Cyber Akuma Zero posted...
freedumbdclxvi posted...In this specific case, the posted drive is 1" thick. The Switch is just over half an inch thick. Explain how he's wrong saying that specific drive won't fit - cause that's not related to computers or techs. That's physics. I guess you're still into failing to read, considering I made explicitly sure to confine the conversation to that drive.
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freedumbdclxvi posted...
Cyber Akuma Zero posted...freedumbdclxvi posted...In this specific case, the posted drive is 1" thick. The Switch is just over half an inch thick. Explain how he's wrong saying that specific drive won't fit - cause that's not related to computers or techs. That's physics. So, I thoughly explain how the conversation was NOT confined to that drive, not even in the post about that drive, and then you fail to read all this and insist the conversation was confined to that drive? Yeah, you're trolling at this point. Nobody can be THAT ignorant.
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- Do you really think they can fit a 500GB hard drive in a portable system?
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- Nintendo Switch
- Do you really think they can fit a 500GB hard drive in a portable system?
Cyber Akuma Zero posted...freedumbdclxvi posted...
Cyber Akuma Zero posted...
freedumbdclxvi posted...
In this specific case, the posted drive is 1" thick. The Switch is just over half an inch thick. Explain how he's wrong saying that specific drive won't fit - cause that's not related to computers or techs. That's physics.
Nice try, but fail.
In the topic title, he said "a", not that specific drive.
And in that post, he said "they", referring to all 500GB drives, not "this drive".
Really pathetic attempt to defend someone who knows jack-all about tech by attempting to argue semantics just because they are also defending Nintendo when we BOTH know what was wrong with his argument.
I guess you're still into failing to read, considering I made explicitly sure to confine the conversation to that drive.
So, I thoughly explain how the conversation was NOT confined to that drive, not even in the post about that drive, and then you fail to read all this and insist the conversation was confined to that drive?
Yeah, you're trolling at this point. Nobody can be THAT ignorant.
Where did I say the conversation was about just that drive? I was talking about *my* post.
Jebus, sometimes you come across as intentionally obtuse.3DS FC: 0490-7858-5102/NS FC: SW-6739-0520-9699/PSN: freedumbdclxvi(edited 5 days ago)quoteSo you are going to be stubborn and insist on this nonsense when I already explained how even in the post with that drive the TC was talking about HDDs in general?"A train station is where a train stops. A bus station is where a bus stops. On my desk I have a workstation." - William Faulkner
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memoryman3 posted...
The PS4 and Xbox One have huge internal hard drives which are the size of the Switch itself!
You've never seen a hard drive before have you?
Looking them up confirms that they won't fit on Switch. Look at this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-L200-500GB-5400RPM-HDWJ105UZSVA/dp/B0151KM1WS/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1504357754&sr=1-1&th=1
They have moving parts.
Dude there are 500GB SD cards and the 1TB is about to be also easily affordable.Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro MibuJust recently the record was broken for the most space on an SD card, and that is 400GB. It's most certainly possible in a few years, but it will be very expensive.Xenoblade Chronicles is legitimately the best game I've ever played.Fauch posted...Garrafan posted...
Fauch posted...
This is a repeat of the Wii U situation.
They could have either expanded the internal storage or outfitted the Switch with MicroSD cards (if that's the medium of choice) instead of offloading the cost to their consumers.
So you think they'd give us a portable console with 256 GB for 300? What they should've done is had a few size options at different price points.
I never said anything about $300. I just hate deception and buying a system where accessories are pretty much mandatory doesn't sit well with me. I'd wager the majority would agree with me, hence Nintendo quickly pulling the 8GB Wii U model from the shelves.
I would have preferred a $400 model with 64GB/128GB, yes.
What about the people who don't need all that storage? Nobody would buy a portable for double the cost of a 3ds. Why would you pay 100 more when you can buy a micro sd for that price or cheaper anyway? The price point of 300 with no card gives players more options. I buy all physical when possible, and right now have 4 digital titles. I'm not even half way through the memory yet. Once the 64 GB cards roll out and can be made cheaply, I don't think this situation will be an issue anymore.Garrafan posted...Fauch posted...
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Fauch posted...
This is a repeat of the Wii U situation.
They could have either expanded the internal storage or outfitted the Switch with MicroSD cards (if that's the medium of choice) instead of offloading the cost to their consumers.
So you think they'd give us a portable console with 256 GB for 300? What they should've done is had a few size options at different price points.
I never said anything about $300. I just hate deception and buying a system where accessories are pretty much mandatory doesn't sit well with me. I'd wager the majority would agree with me, hence Nintendo quickly pulling the 8GB Wii U model from the shelves.
I would have preferred a $400 model with 64GB/128GB, yes.
What about the people who don't need all that storage? Nobody would buy a portable for double the cost of a 3ds. Why would you pay 100 more when you can buy a micro sd for that price or cheaper anyway? The price point of 300 with no card gives players more options. I buy all physical when possible, and right now have 4 digital titles. I'm not even half way through the memory yet. Once the 64 GB cards roll out and can be made cheaply, I don't think this situation will be an issue anymore.
For the same reason most everyone bought a 32GB WiiU. Because 32GB is not enough for the vast majority of people. It's basically tacked on to the price point anyway. You just need to buy it separately so Nintendo could reach that magic "$300" mark.Komm suesser TodBaha05 posted...EternalWaltz posted...
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guesswho33 posted...
First off hard drives can be small. Second, they should have made the DOCK more than just a pass through waste of space and had it with a hard drive in it and other parts to make it much more stable for tv use. And then you could transfer back and forth to use games from your hard drive in portable mode. Also, if they were to use a SSD it would be even better, due to fast transfers.
That would make the whole concept of a Switch really f***ing complex
I think the bigger issue is the inevitable port strike
Or you know you can cut the bulls*** jokes aside and look at the actual problem.
One of the key selling points is the ability to switch between modes quickly. If you add a HDD to the Dock you are pretty much limiting the system to TV only, becasue in order for it to work would mean pausing any game you are playign that's on the Docks HDD over to the systems memory.
As worst Nintendo would have to design a good, intuitive UI to allow gamers to easily move data back and forth between the Dock and the Switch (which is WAY better than forcing gamers to constantly delete and redownload games from the internet as they're forced to do now, especially if they've gone all-digital). I fully believe they would be capable of doing this.Fauch posted...now it has been revealed that physical games may potentially require external storage
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guesswho33 posted...
First off hard drives can be small. Second, they should have made the DOCK more than just a pass through waste of space and had it with a hard drive in it and other parts to make it much more stable for tv use. And then you could transfer back and forth to use games from your hard drive in portable mode. Also, if they were to use a SSD it would be even better, due to fast transfers.
That would make the whole concept of a Switch really f***ing complex
I think the bigger issue is the inevitable port strike
Or you know you can cut the bulls*** jokes aside and look at the actual problem.
One of the key selling points is the ability to switch between modes quickly. If you add a HDD to the Dock you are pretty much limiting the system to TV only, becasue in order for it to work would mean pausing any game you are playign that's on the Docks HDD over to the systems memory.
As worst Nintendo would have to design a good, intuitive UI to allow gamers to easily move data back and forth between the Dock and the Switch (which is WAY better than forcing gamers to constantly delete and redownload games from the internet as they're forced to do now, especially if they've gone all-digital). I fully believe they would be capable of doing this.
What if someone accidentally undocks the system?Daisy amiibo sass!
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it would have been quite a bit more then $79...
SD card prices are no where near the same prices as the chips they use for the memory...AstralFrost: What part is unique about the Wii U thats actually positive? The underpowered console? The direct ipad ripoff controller? The slew of platformers?Greggbird33 posted...memoryman3 posted...
The PS4 and Xbox One have huge internal hard drives which are the size of the Switch itself!
You've never seen a hard drive before have you?
Condescension isn't really warranted here.
I have seen a hard drive before and to say it was a similar size as the Switch would not be an inaccurate claim. But those were not flash drives. If something as small as a micro SD card can eventually hold up to 2 TB of storage, then a 400 GB drive on the Switch itself is certainly a possibility. Whether the cost would justify it or not is a different matter.GameFAQs, you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and vulgarity. We must be cautious.memoryman3 posted...NewMoonShadow posted...
Baha05 posted...
EternalWaltz posted...
Baha05 posted...
guesswho33 posted...
First off hard drives can be small. Second, they should have made the DOCK more than just a pass through waste of space and had it with a hard drive in it and other parts to make it much more stable for tv use. And then you could transfer back and forth to use games from your hard drive in portable mode. Also, if they were to use a SSD it would be even better, due to fast transfers.
That would make the whole concept of a Switch really f***ing complex
I think the bigger issue is the inevitable port strike
Or you know you can cut the bulls*** jokes aside and look at the actual problem.
One of the key selling points is the ability to switch between modes quickly. If you add a HDD to the Dock you are pretty much limiting the system to TV only, becasue in order for it to work would mean pausing any game you are playign that's on the Docks HDD over to the systems memory.
As worst Nintendo would have to design a good, intuitive UI to allow gamers to easily move data back and forth between the Dock and the Switch (which is WAY better than forcing gamers to constantly delete and redownload games from the internet as they're forced to do now, especially if they've gone all-digital). I fully believe they would be capable of doing this.
What if someone accidentally undocks the system?
That's the equivalent of accidentally hitting the power button while a game is saving.
Don't do that.Baha05 posted...guesswho33 posted...
First off hard drives can be small. Second, they should have made the DOCK more than just a pass through waste of space and had it with a hard drive in it and other parts to make it much more stable for tv use. And then you could transfer back and forth to use games from your hard drive in portable mode. Also, if they were to use a SSD it would be even better, due to fast transfers.
That would make the whole concept of a Switch really f***ing complex
Nope. How is moving games from a dock HDD more complex than having no space to transfer them from at all?Guess who I am.Basically you people who say it's oh so important to be able to switch modes quickly are saying you'd rather have inferior gaming just to keep a gimmick. In the real world, not many people are going to keep switching modes and IMEMDIATELY need to keep playing in the new mode.Guess who I am.memoryman3 posted...The PS4 and Xbox One have huge internal hard drives which are the size of the Switch itself!
Jesus, are you really stupid enough to think that? A 2.5" HDD is literally 1/6th of the Switch's size, if not less.Plus, the Switch was designed for docking/undocking so external hard drives are out of the question.
And also has nothing to do with the INTERAL storage used.Micro SD cards are getting larger and cheaper
Cheaper? For the cost of 200GB of flash-based storage, you could buy a 2TB harddrive and still have change left over. Flash-based storage will get nowhere near the capacity and cost of HDDs in our lifetimes, and certainly nowhere within the lifetime of the platform in question?Developers also fail to compress their assets on PS4 and Xbox One...remember Titanfall's uncompressed audio taking up a ton of space?
You mean how Titanfall only uncompressed it's audio on the PC? Which has NOTHING to do with the Xbox One release, where the audio files WERE compressed?"Walking tanks must exist somewhere for there to be such attention to detail like this in mech sim." - IGN Steel Battalion reviewIs this a troll topic?
Memory is tiny now.
Nintendo is just passing on the cost to the consumer so they don't have to pay for it themselves.
Arguably, while the base memory in the Switch should still be larger, it's not terrible that the Switch's price is flexible based on how much memory you want, but keep in mind that microSD cards are pretty expensive compared to other forms of memory, and the Switch's price encroaches the price of the PS4 and Xbone for similar memory with microSD cards.YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT!(edited 3 days ago)quoteBahamut_10th posted...SearchmanV16 posted...
SanDisk just got 400gb into a SD card
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-SDXC-UHS-I-SDSDXPA-512G-G46/dp/B00NP699ZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504368700&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+512+gb
???
This thing has been around since before Switch's launch.
sd =/= MICRO sd.
and that poster was obviously talking about micro sd/this news from a few days ago:
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3221361/mobile-wireless/new-sandisk-microsd-card-enables-an-app-speed-boost-for-android-users.html"at least be grateful Nintendo isn't charging you right now." -Unknown
Lesson to be learned: Be grateful for mediocrity.TBH, this is just another reason for 3rd parties to be hesitant with their more current games, which isn't anything new for Nintendo home consoles. The 32 GB of internal storage in the system was an early sign of what kind of software you could expect with a Switch. It's not necessarily an awful thing, but it's hard to understand why anyone would have expected large AAA games.
The Switch is going to get good games, but AAA 3rd party games aren't going to factor into it much. IMO, 1st party games, and its portability is going to be its driving force.Ever since I started working, every day has been worse than the last, so every time you see me it's the worst day of my life. - Office SpaceI hope nvidia will come up with something to let you stream your pc games to the Switch like it can with the Switch. Rainway sounds promising but I'd rather have nvidia do it.
It could open up a world of possibilities if you could connect your dock to your pc via usb C allowing any nvidia gpu pc to emulate the Switch on your pc with superior hardware, the usb connection is simply a way for your pc to access the game files legitimately.Village Idiot posted...Putting moving parts into a handheld device for kids?
Sure they can just add in a 500gb SSD in there, but those costs about $150. Yes, thats market cost, but you have to expect the Switch price to increase by about another $100.
Kids? 90% of Nintendo fans who bought the switch are Adult MenWe need a new Final Fantasy TacticsThe main reason game sizes increase so dramatically is because of 4k graphics. If the developers would downscale their pictures from 4k to 1080p the needed size drastically decreases. But most are too lazy to do anything like this these days.
Plus, NBA 2k17 is only 22GB big, but they use a 16 GB card to save money.NicknameMy posted...Plus, NBA 2k17 is only 22GB big, but they use a 16 GB card to save money.
This. It was a common "cheat" on Vita, so don't be surprised.
The SSD on switch is a discrete daughter board, so a future SKU with a bigger internal memory is quite possible, as is an eventual hardware mod.nah but we got 400GB micro sd cards that can fit thoughLess is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need.The_LuXx posted...I hope nvidia will come up with something to let you stream your pc games to the Switch like it can with the Switch.
Not Nvidia's choice, it's Nintendo that controls the platform. Obviously Nvidia already has the technology to stream to portable devices with Shadowplay, it's purely a limitation that Nintendo implemented. Hell, even Steam can do streaming, so it's clearly not a technical problem.
Still, the Switch would be a poor choice for streaming overall given its 720p screen. There are plenty of portable devices out there which would allow for proper 1080p rendering and displaying."Walking tanks must exist somewhere for there to be such attention to detail like this in mech sim." - IGN Steel Battalion reviewAs of today, a reasonably sized m.2 ssd on the Switch would rise its price well above US$300.
Perhaps 5-6 years from now it, I'd say.memoryman3 posted...Greggbird33 posted...
memoryman3 posted...
The PS4 and Xbox One have huge internal hard drives which are the size of the Switch itself!
You've never seen a hard drive before have you?
Looking them up confirms that they won't fit on Switch. Look at this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-L200-500GB-5400RPM-HDWJ105UZSVA/dp/B0151KM1WS/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1504357754&sr=1-1&th=1
They have moving parts.
theirs ton of hard drives out their ... not all same how do you think thin laptops have hard drives in them to...
they come in all shapes and sizes
the ones ps4 and xbox use are infact about wallet size (maybe bit longer but hands down switches battery is bit bigger then smallest hard drives out their
but yeah they have room to fit a slim hard drive in switch nice listing a bulky one tho points how it even says "bulky"
not to point out how their are 3rd partys that make add ons so say ps4 can take one them 4tb+ hard drives
not like people wouldnt be willing to plug something like that into back of their switchtrolling
apparently unpopular opinion if reported as trolling is trolling on gamefaqsNintendo screwed up just like last time. Why would anyone buy the inferior third party games on the Switch that also require a high capacity sd card?SD cards will now have up to 2TB of memory, what else do you want?
why would anyone complain about memory when we're gonna have those in the future anyway?Can it be done? Yes.
Can it be done at Nintendo's level of price budgeting for their systems? No.
I don't mind needing a microSD card, but they should have been more transparent about it from the beginning.GoIrish80 posted...
I don't mind needing a microSD card, but they should have been more transparent about it from the beginning.
seemed pretty clear what else did you want them to say?
they pretty much said there was expandable memory via an microsd slot"at least be grateful Nintendo isn't charging you right now." -Unknown
Lesson to be learned: Be grateful for mediocrity.IrateGameFAQer posted...GoIrish80 posted...
I don't mind needing a microSD card, but they should have been more transparent about it from the beginning.
seemed pretty clear what else did you want them to say?
they pretty much said there was expandable memory via an microsd slot
Pretty much, not even like getting a good size one is all that expensive either"He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!"memoryman3 posted...Bahamut_10th posted...
Since the Wii Nintendo was capable of allowing you to transfer games and data across the system memory, SD cards and since the Wii U also HDDs, and none of that took longer than a few seconds...
Making HDD dock-only wouldn't be 1/10 as convoluted as some users here who like to damage control for Nintendo claim.
Yes it would. When you undock the system it could be damaging.
Not really if the game is on your SD.
It's ridiculously simple. Games on the SD can be played on and off the dock, games on the HDD can't.
User sorts which games they want to keep on the SD to play anywhere, and which they want to stick to the dock.
It's not rocket science."Deadpool is just as formulaic the Avengers films it so relentlessly strives not to be."(edited 2 days ago)quoteFauch posted...This is a repeat of the Wii U situation.
They could have either expanded the internal storage or outfitted the Switch with MicroSD cards (if that's the medium of choice) instead of offloading the cost to their consumers.
Giving more storage would increase the price regardless SD cards are fairly cheap most people won't care3DS FC: 2063-0061-2915
``if the system is easy to develop for then that just confirms how weak it is" shaunme - 2014Bahamut_10th posted...
Not really if the game is on your SD.
It's ridiculously simple. Games on the SD can be played on and off the dock, games on the HDD can't.
User sorts which games they want to keep on the SD to play anywhere, and which they want to stick to the dock.
It's not rocket science.
There's already the "you can't play this game now" icon for absent carts. Adding one for a HDD would be fairly trivial.Lm03 posted...SD cards will now have up to 2TB of memory, what else do you want?
Price of a:
128GB MicroSD Card - $45
256GB MicroSD Card - $80
1TB Laptop HDD - $45
2TB Laptop HDD - $75
THAT's why. Card's won't "now" have up to 2TB of memory, the 2TB limit was defined when SHDC, which tops out at 32GB, became too small and the SDXC format was created, they are nowhere near even hitting 1TB yet, much less 2TB.
The first 2TB MicroSD cards will cost hundreds, just like current 512GB SD (not even MicroSD) cards cost over $300 now, and by the time they come out, laptop drives will be at least 10TB for the same price as 1TB drives are now. And the Switch, PS4 and Xbox One will be long obsolete by the time they come out. Don't forget, the Wii originally only supported 2GB cards, SDHC cards that hit 4GB were a new thing back then. By the time 32GB cards were affordable the Wii was long since obsolete.
And games keep increasing in size, not shrinking."A train station is where a train stops. A bus station is where a bus stops. On my desk I have a workstation." - William Faulkner
Gamertag in profile(edited 2 days ago)quoteQuestionmarktarius posted...Cyber Akuma Zero posted...
256GB MicroSD Card - $80
URL, please.
My bad, that was a 200GB card, the 256GB cards seem to be around $130... which honestly, just further helps my point."A train station is where a train stops. A bus station is where a bus stops. On my desk I have a workstation." - William Faulkner
Gamertag in profile1 TB SSD installed out of the box plzkthx. :PTechincally, it's possible. It's just not practical or smart design. Unless it's a laptop PC (which, even they are starting to move away from them), hard-drives and mobile devices do not go well together, and the Switch is no exception. Besides, microSD is far more reliable, and is very cheap these days.
As for why the Switch only has 32 GB, that's due to both costs of including NAND flash memory, and a difference in philosophy. Sony and Microsoft go in with the assumption that their audience will be downloading as many games as possible, so they include as much storage as they possibly can. Nintendo meanwhile primarily targets casual gamers, so they prefer to start them off small, and give them a convenient option to upgrade if they choose to. Both have their pros and cons, but those expecting 128 GB or a TB of space on the Switch out of the box are likely the same people who think you can get PS4 level power out of a mobile processor for a reasonable price.The internal SSD is on a daughterboard, so it's pretty much a given that a future SKU will likely have more storage.
Possibly also less, if Nintendo wants to cut costs on a Pokemon Edition or something.(edited 1 day ago)quoteCyber Akuma Zero posted...Price of a:
128GB MicroSD Card - $45
256GB MicroSD Card - $80
don't wanna sound skeptical, but where are you looking for that info?
in my country i literally went to an electronic store and got a 128GB one for $30 + taxes, and usually everything electronic-related costs more here than in the U.S.TheMisterManGuy posted...Techincally, it's possible. It's just not practical or smart design. Unless it's a laptop PC (which, even they are starting to move away from them), hard-drives and mobile devices do not go well together, and the Switch is no exception. Besides, microSD is far more reliable, and is very cheap these days.
As for why the Switch only has 32 GB, that's due to both costs of including NAND flash memory, and a difference in philosophy. Sony and Microsoft go in with the assumption that their audience will be downloading as many games as possible, so they include as much storage as they possibly can. Nintendo meanwhile primarily targets casual gamers, so they prefer to start them off small, and give them a convenient option to upgrade if they choose to. Both have their pros and cons, but those expecting 128 GB or a TB of space on the Switch out of the box are likely the same people who think you can get PS4 level power out of a mobile processor for a reasonable price.
that's the problem. people are looking at the switch in general as a home console when the hardware itself says otherwise. its physically and literally a handheld, no matter how they market it, no matter if we think otherwise, and like you said, for a handheld, a Hard Drive is not convenient at all. its just too big for any mobile or handheld device.Lm03 posted...Cyber Akuma Zero posted...
Price of a:
128GB MicroSD Card - $45
256GB MicroSD Card - $80
don't wanna sound skeptical, but where are you looking for that info?
in my country i literally went to an electronic store and got a 128GB one for $30 + taxes, and usually everything electronic-related costs more here than in the U.S.
I literally spent about 10 seconds for each of those on Amazon"A train station is where a train stops. A bus station is where a bus stops. On my desk I have a workstation." - William Faulkner
Gamertag in profileFauch posted...This is a repeat of the Wii U situation.
They could have either expanded the internal storage or outfitted the Switch with MicroSD cards (if that's the medium of choice) instead of offloading the cost to their consumers.
Having to buy sd cards is still offloading the cost to consumers. And it's a more mandatory cost than the 500gb hdds. If you can pay $70 more for a 128gb SD card, why do you act like paying only $100 more for a more powerful console with over 4 times the storage is so cost restrictive?The Internet allows us to make more mistakes faster than any invention in history. With the possible exceptions of Handguns and Tequila!SSJ4CHRIS posted...Having to buy sd cards is still offloading the cost to consumers. And it's a more mandatory cost than the 500gb hdds. If you can pay $70 more for a 128gb SD card, why do you act like paying only $100 more for a more powerful console with over 4 times the storage is so cost restrictive?
Because it pretty much is going to be restricted in the Switches case. They wanted to go hybrid this gen so adding more storage would have driven the cost up. Where as an SD card you can still buy for far cheaper on top of constant sales that go on for them."He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!"I don't get it? I have a 128 GB SD Card installed. And most larger Nintendo games are about 10 to 15 GBs. Storage will never be a problem for me.Nikra posted...I don't get it? I have a 128 GB SD Card installed. And most larger Nintendo games are about 10 to 15 GBs. Storage will never be a problem for me.
It's b****ing for the sake of it."He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!"- Boards
- Nintendo Switch
- Do you really think they can fit a 500GB hard drive in a portable system?
- Boards
- Nintendo Switch
- Do you really think they can fit a 500GB hard drive in a portable system?
Nikra posted...Storage will never be a problem for me.
Famous last words of many before their storage ran out"A train station is where a train stops. A bus station is where a bus stops. On my desk I have a workstation." - William Faulkner
Gamertag in profileCyber Akuma Zero posted...Nikra posted...
Storage will never be a problem for me.
Famous last words of many before their storage ran out
but i never run out of storage lol.
i have like 4 128GB micro SD cards with one of em full and the other one for my 3DS.
and believe me, this is way better than the Wii U, which you needed to buy a specific type of hard drive for it to work properly on the Wii U without it losing data or stopped working.I wouldn't expect 500g on the Switch since the game sizes are smaller than other systems, but I certainly want more than 32g.
256g would have been perfectly acceptable.Seacliff217 posted...I wouldn't expect 500g on the Switch since the game sizes are smaller than other systems, but I certainly want more than 32g.
256g would have been perfectly acceptable.
the switch price will then rise to like, 50$ or more.I remember there was a mod for the original psp to swap out the UMD drive for a 20 gig HDD, didn't increase size iirc, and cost about $100 back in 2005/6.... They definitely could have included more memory(and even faster) on the Switch. But Nintendo cheaped out and went with small memory to cut cost and increase profits.Taylor Swift is my Patronus.
http://wp.me/1EBnQLm03 posted...and believe me, this is way better than the Wii U, which you needed to buy a specific type of hard drive for it to work properly on the Wii U without it losing data or stopped working.
Incorrect, many flash and hdd type drives worked."A train station is where a train stops. A bus station is where a bus stops. On my desk I have a workstation." - William Faulkner
Gamertag in profileIt's a s***ty situation but I think getting the cost down to $299 is more important long term. People already thought that was expensive. Different SKU's at launch generally don't work out too well either. People just go for the most expensive one. If you buy games retail you likely won't have much of an issue.
Perhaps they can release a Switch Pro down the line with more storage long after the Switch has been established. But this is always going to be an issue until SSD prices come down and that will benefit every single console on the market. At least it's ready for any improvements made for micro SD cards.Kind Regards,
DarmikPersonally, on the note of storage, I don't have too big of a problem with the storage situation as you don't have to install most physical games, games are smaller on Switch then they are on other platforms, and I got a 200GB micro SD card for $60 which should hold me off for a long time because I go physical for most games and Switch isn't my primary gaming platform.
With that said, 32GB is way too little. Personally, I think they should have bit the bullet and went with a M.2 drive that's at least 256GB, preferably 500GB. If they just had to go with NAND storage though, they should have put in 128GB. Even considering that you're not forced to install games and the fact that game files are smaller on Switch, 32GB is still way too little for a dedicated gaming device.Yay gamingJust buy a 400Gb micro Sd cardPSN - Wingo_84
Wii U NNID - Wingo84 ----- 3DS FC - 2122-7025-1013kislev posted...Village Idiot posted...
Putting moving parts into a handheld device for kids?
Sure they can just add in a 500gb SSD in there, but those costs about $150. Yes, thats market cost, but you have to expect the Switch price to increase by about another $100.
Kids? 90% of Nintendo fans who bought the switch are Adult Men
I don't know what this convo is about, but his username does say he's the village idiot...Guess who I am.Fauch posted...memoryman3 posted...
I think 32GB of internal memory is fine.
It's clearly not, considering what's happening right now. You could have made an argument that it's "fine" if the option to go all physical had been there.
It's not though. Several games are not getting physical releases and now it has been revealed that physical games may potentially require external storage.
The decision for 32GB internal storage was as reasonable as the 8 GB Wii U model back in 2012.
No its not I downloaded NBA it took up 9 gb phones start at 6gb nowadaysmemoryman3 posted...The PS4 and Xbox One have huge internal hard drives which are the size of the Switch itself! Plus, the Switch was designed for docking/undocking so external hard drives are out of the question. Micro SD cards are getting larger and cheaper, so it made sense to opt for NAND storage and an SD card port to extend storage.
Plus, the Blu Ray discs are so slow that the game has to be installed on the hard drive, taking up storage space in almost no time if you want to build a physical game collection. With Switch, physical games take almost no hard drive space (unless you are Minecraft)
Developers also fail to compress their assets on PS4 and Xbox One...remember Titanfall's uncompressed audio taking up a ton of space? This is not a problem at all on Switch.
The NBA 2K18 developers are at fault here.
If it requires external storage, which even some physical games may require, I don't see why not?
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/305124/Nintendo_Switch_games_may_require_external_storage.php
However, the company expects that all physical copies of Switch games sold at retail will be playable in some form on a Switch that lacks any extra storage; speaking to IGN, a company representative stated that anyone who buys a Switch game cartridge "will be able to play a portion of the game right out of the box (for example, specific levels or modes)."- Boards
- Nintendo Switch
- Do you really think they can fit a 500GB hard drive in a portable system?
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