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It's well known that - especially in the early days - it was quite common for games to be censored for controversial stuff when brought over to the west. Things such as religious symbols, blood, etc. It is more relaxed now but there are still games that get censored, such as FE face-touching minigames, Hyper Universe changing the artwork to tone down breast/cleavage, etc. etc.
Even though I am certain most everyone here has the attitude of "Censorship is evil! If you have a problem with it go to hell!" do you think even as unappealing as it may be, those that do choose to censor various aspects of games are taking the most pragmatic approach? Of course, don't get me wrong, I do hate censorship, as do I am sure the vast majority here, but is it a necessary evil? Should those that want their games to succeed in the west really take an approach of "I don't care how many people think it's wrong, nothing will be censored no matter how controversial", or is it just realistically that they are doing what must be done to help sales and thus help them succeed? I think a good example would be when the NES first came to America. Even had Nintendo released awesome games as they did isn't it safe to assume had they not had the censorship policies in place and released every game completely uncensored the amount of pushback they would have gotten would have been huge and very well could have kept it from being as successful as it was and thus hurt the gaming industry? Again, I am against censorship and think people are stupid to get upset over the kind of stuff that does get censored, but realistically and pragmatically it seems to be a necessary evil, which, ironically thinks to the likes of SJWs are getting as bad today as it was in the NES era.
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No.
Would you mind your favorite musicians compromising their work, because of what people may think? How about artists, poets, ect?
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Yes. I censor myself frequently because there's no point in upsetting random people for no reason. Also, I don't approve of the idea of not being able to be entertaining unless you are crude.
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art should not be censored
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Von23 posted...
Would you mind your favorite musicians compromising their work, because of what people may think? pigzig_n1 posted... art should not be censored Are those comparisons really accurate for industrial products like videogames? I mean, videogames could be art, like music, cinema or literature, but, just like them, it also could be just an entertainment product from a business industry. Most content that is changed when games get localized is stuff initially put in the game only to cater to a certain audience. When the audience changes, it is indeed business pragmatism to change this content, adapting the entertainment product to its public. We need to stop considering every thing as art. Muso is not Shakespeare, J. J. Abrams is not Melies, Justin Bieber is not Mozar.
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No, but most of the time when people in gaming communities talk about "censorship," they're talking about decisions the publisher or developer makes, not actual censorship. Actual censorship is like.....the fact that certain depictions of violence in Manhunt 2 had to be removed because of Australia's laws on game violence or whatever.
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Only when it comes to children.
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Old, but watch this and give me your opinions:
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Imo, unless its something that constitutes an A-O rating, it shouldnt be censored. The quality of our entertainment shouldnt be diminished bc a small percentage of fragile people cant handle truths of life.
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Von23 posted...
No. that's what they do when they want money, yes |
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I thought It was pretty good?
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Von23 posted...
No. This. I mean, it wouldn't be acceptable if recording companies only offered "clean" versions of music albums, would it? So why should it be acceptable in games? It's fine to offer that as an alternative (like how a lot of old games would let you toggle off the blood if you want) but don't force it on people.
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In my opinion, do not censor content if it doesn't need it, but censorship may be needed if the content in question was in poor taste, like A Serbian Film.
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t****** and swears for everyone!
Of course games should be censored. It's no different to movies, there are some things that people shouldn't see when they're young. And as much as that should be up to the parents, some people are s***ty parents which is why censorship exists.
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BarbaricAvatar posted...
t****** and swears for everyone! It also boggles my mind when people suggest getting rid of rating systems outright so it can be up to parents to figure out what's suitable for their kids, when the negligence of doing that was basically the reason why rating systems exist in the first place.
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nope, there's no need for censorship when you already have a rating systems, and if you get offended over something then simply don't buy it instead of demanding that your worldview be projected onto everyone else
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things dont get censored because people get offended. they get censored because they want to keep the rating down
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No. Anyone who says yes is a philistine.
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I'm in the camp that there is a difference between censorship and localization, and that sometimes the two can be intertwined depending on the content. Like, the pokemon episode where James had huge inflatable boobs was censored in the west, but that was because it would be a bit of a culture shock over here... so it's also localization...
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it's weird how suddenly every is suddenly pretending to actually care about censorship
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Illuminoius posted...
it's weird how suddenly every is suddenly pretending to actually care about censorship Little of both |
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Illuminoius posted...
it's weird how suddenly every is suddenly pretending to actually care about censorship Lol at the idea of this being some new thing. Like, even if you're too young to remember it, I assumed most gamers at least knew the story about SNES Mortal Kombat, but I guess not. The only thing about this thats even remotely new about any of this is all the folks suddenly coming out to defend this nonsense.
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Zero censorship is necessary.
Games have a rating system (just like movies have). PARENTS are to blame for this. They are lazy, and when their brat of a child cries "I need this popular game or the other kids will make fun of me" the irresponsible parent gives in and lets their 9 year old play a game for those 17 and older. We should have more AO (Adults Only) games on the market (since most people have become adults now and still play games), but we don't since they don't sell well enough. It has now taken this long for people to realize that "R" rated movies CAN make money ("Deadpool," and "It" being examples). Plus you know for a fact that the IRRESPONSIBLE parent will BUY the AO game for their 9 year old, and see the content on screen...have a freak out and go on their local news about it. Will the parent be blamed. Nope. It will be the blame of the "Evil" video game that clearly has a rating on it. THIS is why some games have unnecessary censorship to them. Don't get upset at the game developers, but rather EVERY parent that you see that BREAKS the rating system and gives their child an inappropriate game for their age.
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Lordgold666 posted...
Imo, unless its something that constitutes an A-O rating, it shouldnt be censored. The quality of our entertainment shouldnt be diminished bc a small percentage of fragile people cant handle truths of life. This.
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pigzig_n1 posted...
art should not be censored
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art doesn't exist. everything is driven by money or fame
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You also forget that many advancements we have is BECAUSE of censorship. When you give someone the complete freedom to do anything....they usually go for the first idea they have. Idea 1 is usually very blunt and to the point...and boring. When you tell someone they can't use idea 1, they have to get creative.
When you put a roadblock in someone's way, the bad quality writers/artists get weeded out. The good writers/artists wind up thriving because they can get around the censorship and make their product even better. Censorship won't stop the content from coming out, but only HOW it comes out.
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I mean, I think censorship is silly, but I don't hold that position in a "f*** censorship, f*** everyone that supports it!" kind of way.
For the most part, I'm just more baffled at the fact that we, as people, feel the need to be so "disturbed" by swear words and sexual content that we have to ban or severely restrict those things in media and whatnot. "Swear" words are just words. Little Suzy isn't going to grow up to become a stripper because she heard someone say "f***" when she was a kid. And hell, little Billy isn't going to grow up to become a drug dealer because he saw a breast when he was a kid. I mostly just don't understand why our own culture is so "uptight" about these things. I'm not saying every show and movie and game and whatever should be filled with swearing and nudity and graphic sex scenes. But the fact that are society has this mentality of "No, don't you dare say the F word! Don't you dare show nudity!" is just kind of baffling to me.
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metaIslug posted...
art doesn't exist. everything is driven by money or fame Not true, canvas artists do it for the love of it. They churn out picture after picture and if they're lucky they can break even should they decide to sell, if they're really lucky they can impress a collector and make a profit. Yet they keep painting/drawing despite having no guarantee of fame or fortune.
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Censorship interferes with creative vision and this applies to all mediums. There is more than enough information at the ready in this day and age for people to make informed decisions about the content they are considering to purchase or purchase for their children. Censorship is no longer necessary in any way, shape, or form.
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_SJimW_ posted...
No, but most of the time when people in gaming communities talk about "censorship," they're talking about decisions the publisher or developer makes, not actual censorship. Actual censorship is like.....the fact that certain depictions of violence in Manhunt 2 had to be removed because of Australia's laws on game violence or whatever.
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There are cases where games literally would not be localized without "censorship" because of some countries laws. Technically they could, but they'd have had an AO rating, which is a death sentence on anything but PC(apparently Steam doesn't use rating boards).
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Well, at least they should put this somewhere on the box - like a million other things actually. I really hate how much research I have to often do before buying a game, wouldn't be necessary if publishers were more upfront about things...
On the bright side, I finally begin to get the hang of Japanese, so buying a "localized" version likely won't be necessary anymore in the future. gadgaurd posted... apparently Steam doesn't use rating boards And doesn't sell games that would otherwise be AO - at least not uncensored. If you want the original version you usually have to patch it yourself or buy directly from the publishers (who then give you a steam code lol). But, regardless you're right certain games can only be bought on PC.
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lol nexon
trash company makes trash decisions. They're going to kill the game before it ever gets off the ground. Good riddance.
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^what game is that? And that's exactly what I hate about censorship... I mean "localization!"
From the looks of it the ratings wouldn't be any different for an unaltered version - it seems they [devs/pubs] only do this stuff "just because". PS: of course the worst case if they choose to use the censored version in all regions... lol. Usually kills the game right off the gate, too.
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I don't believe any changes should be made from the director/producer's vision. Either by the studio or government otherwise.
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Kickle Cubicle posted...
Illuminoius posted...it's weird how suddenly every is suddenly pretending to actually care about censorship Lol, this. Back in the nes / snes times my friends and I often imported games from America - even if we weren't sure there's any censorship, it was more a better safe then sorry approach lmao. Also the games were "faster". Also definitely imported the controllers - because they were somehow better (only noticed this in SFII but whatever) - still have my purple snes controller lol. We didn't play MK though at the time so lol...
"1080 looks great but 2160 looks like real life which makes sense since it's the limit of the human eye."
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unknown_VS posted...
^what game is that? And that's exactly what I hate about censorship... I mean "localization!" Hyper Universe, a 2d MOBA in early access apparently some unnamed person/persons approached them and said boobs made them uncomfortable, so they toned down a bunch of female artwork and models, a bunch of people complained, so they doubled down and decided to do it everywhere 3000+ refunds later, they still havent learned garbage company.
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Skandrae posted...
unknown_VS posted...^what game is that? And that's exactly what I hate about censorship... I mean "localization!" Lol, hilarious story.
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unknown_VS posted...
Well, at least they should put this somewhere on the box - like a million other things actually. I really hate how much research I have to often do before buying a game, wouldn't be necessary if publishers were more upfront about things... Supposedly, that's exactly the rating Monster Monpiece and Moero Chronicle would get if released on consoles in the West uncensored. This is according to Idea Factory International.
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Skandrae posted...
unknown_VS posted...^what game is that? And that's exactly what I hate about censorship... I mean "localization!" f***ing seriously?
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Lordgold666 posted...
Imo, unless its something that constitutes an A-O rating, it shouldnt be censored. The quality of our entertainment shouldnt be diminished bc a small percentage of fragile people cant handle truths of life. Snowflakes...
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unknown_VS posted...
Kickle Cubicle posted...Illuminoius posted...it's weird how suddenly every is suddenly pretending to actually care about censorship Also there was no Johny Cage crotch punch on the SNES. It was lame. Wolfenstein 3D was also the same thing. They took the Nazi swastikas and the crosses from the game. And in Doom, the blood was green. I hate censorship, and Nintendo has an horrible story with it.
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pigzig_n1 posted...
art should not be censored
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No, people should stop trying to appeal for the largest audience possible and go straight for their target audience.
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sanjeust posted...
and Nintendo has an horrible story with it. This is true and a big reason why I don't support the company in any way anymore, but back then I didn't know that and all we had was Nintendo and Sega consoles, and the occasional atari computer but that was somehow never my cup of tea. Also slightly off topic, but it also hugely influenced my view on Nintendo - a friend and me actually called Nintendo (of Japan) because we wanted to ask to change them something in a game (I think it was f zero) - and we were at least 30 minutes on the phone with this guy - he was very upset and kept screaming at us - of course we didn't understand a thing, but it was so hilarious he clearly couldn't handle a phone call from obviously foreign kids lol. All we were thinking was "why doesn't he just hang up!?!??!" lol. The best part was my friend was grounded for a month after his mother saw the phone bill. :p Definitely worth it though lol (as I was completely innocent xD)
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Some is necessary.
Unfortunately, 95% of censorship done in games is way too much see the localized versions of Hyper Universe, Fire Emblem Fates, Fatal Frame V, and Tokyo Mirage Sessions for such examples of overzealous censoring.
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