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Friday, September 7, 2018

Controller insurance

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  3. Controller insurance
Chairstood 1 year ago#1
I went to buy my ps4 slim today, and the guy that helped me was really trying to push me to get insurance on my controller of all things.

He said that he had managed to wear out 5 controllers in 1 year.

Is the dualshock 4 really that fragile, or was he just bs'ing me?

I didn't get the insurance because it sounded way to crazy to be true.
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Lugoves 1 year ago#2
Toobie 1 year ago#3
Lmfao.

It's like that disc insurance GAME sells in the UK.

Utter fucking bollocks.
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Irony 1 year ago#4
Controller insurance is the undercoating of gaming
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KurzWeber72 1 year ago#5
One of my controllers broke (the R1 was endlessly held down even after I took the button out). I managed to sell it on eBay while being very clear that it was not working and what was wrong. Regardless of the condition it still sold for $30. Considering DualShock 4's occasionally go on sale for $40 that is a pretty good investment return.
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ragekit 1 year ago#6
Wow what a sleazy fuck. No TC, dualshock 4's are not that fragile, and unless you are going balls to the wall in fighting games or racing games your controller will do just fine for at least a couple years. I've had my original DS4 for about 2 years now and the rubber on the left thumb stick is wearing down a bit but still barely noticeable. 

What store was this anyway?
Chairstood 1 year ago#7
ragekit posted...
Wow what a sleazy fuck. No TC, dualshock 4's are not that fragile, and unless you are going balls to the wall in fighting games or racing games your controller will do just fine for at least a couple years. I've had my original DS4 for about 2 years now and the rubber on the left thumb stick is wearing down a bit but still barely noticeable. 

What store was this anyway?


Elgiganten (danish for Electronic Giant)
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Great_Pudding_3 1 year ago#8
All controllers wear down after awhile, my DS4 has a squeaky R2....but controller insurance is just stupid.
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ragekit 1 year ago#9
Chairstood posted...
ragekit posted...
Wow what a sleazy fuck. No TC, dualshock 4's are not that fragile, and unless you are going balls to the wall in fighting games or racing games your controller will do just fine for at least a couple years. I've had my original DS4 for about 2 years now and the rubber on the left thumb stick is wearing down a bit but still barely noticeable. 

What store was this anyway?


Elgiganten (danish for Electronic Giant)


Not familiar with it but all you need to know is that DS4s are well made and will not break easily. The only way this guy went through five controllers in a year is if he's throwing them around every time he loses lol

Or if he's lying to get you to cough up more cash.
simonbelmont2 1 year ago#10
Gotta laugh at that shady up-selling. Hearing that story reminded me of this:

"Let me tap dance on him, won't ya?"
Mercenary12451 1 year ago#11
Toobie posted...
Lmfao.

It's like that disc insurance GAME sells in the UK.

Utter fucking bollocks.

I get sick of them doing that at Walmarts here in America. I mean $5 for insurance on a game disc really?
Estabon1 1 year ago#12
I got my PS4 in January '14, and have had 2 controllers. I need a new one, though. You would think I jizzed all over the damn thing - touchpad, options button, face buttons and R2 all stick.
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Akrim_Drak 1 year ago#13
I've had 2 controllers and I got my PS4 at launch. The first one the left stick started being less responsive after a few years. I also dropped it(after the stick issue) from maybe 3 feet onto a carpeted floor and it basically fell apart(the triggers popped out and the touch pad stopped working) 

I was able to take it apart and put everything back together and it works fine now except for the stick still so take of that what you like. 

The second one has been fine though going on two years.
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EsperStarr 1 year ago#14
ragekit posted...
Wow what a sleazy fuck. No TC, dualshock 4's are not that fragile, and unless you are going balls to the wall in fighting games or racing games your controller will do just fine for at least a couple years. I've had my original DS4 for about 2 years now and the rubber on the left thumb stick is wearing down a bit but still barely noticeable. 

What store was this anyway?


I don't believe the guy was sleazy as fuck lol but i do believe it could be unnecessary as i do believe that going "balls to the wall" in fighting games or other strenuous combat games mat and will cause some type of wear down the road (seen or unseen damage) more than other games.

My brother had had his controllers for about a year and half and only really started noticing SOME dpad issues after passing street fighter so much. It's really not noticeable (or wasn't at first to him) but i noticed it almost immediately because ink a jut more adept and sensitive to inputs and reaction on screen. 

My ds4 is fine because i don't use it for fighting games, i have another pad for that. I don't think insurance for hardware is bad if it actually covers wear and tear pass the manufacture warranty.
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chief606 1 year ago#15
Honestly, the controller insurance isn't a bad thing. I have been good with my ps4 controllers, and none of them have broken down. However, my brother is an angry drunk and when he plays cod he throws controllers. He has busted his fair share of controllers, and keeps taking them back. 8 bucks isn't a bad price here in Canada for a new controller. Even if it doesn't break, near the end of the year, just take it back and swap it with a brand new controller. Though the disc insurance is just stupid. I don't even know how someone would scratch a blu ray disc unless they were intentially trying.
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chex81 1 year ago#16
I had a PS4 for 4 months and had to replace my DS4 twice. Both times the controller just stopped working ingame (but worked fine in menus? go figure). EB games was nice enough to replace it both times by giving me a refurb.
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skermac 1 year ago#17
I think he was just trying to make a sale, I just replaced my launch controller, it was not fragile at all for me
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Dtoohey 1 year ago#18
Nobody wears out 5 controllers in a year that's almost one every two months. The Value of the insurance is impossible to determine with out knowing how much it cost. Five bucks a year isn't bad. $50 a year would be silly. You could be a whole new controller for that.
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nihilist212 1 year ago#19
I take very good care of all my things, and I've had 2 DS4s break on me already. With the 3rd one having the thumbgrips slowly come off now as well. They're not that fragile, but they're not as sturdy as past gens.
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Chairstood 1 year ago#20
It would have cost me 600kr (about 85$) to insurance the controller. Just as much as a new controller anyway.

Yeah, everything is quite expensive in Denmark.

The PS4 Slim costs 2400kr (about 350$)

A game costs 500kr (about 75$)
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23Jarek23 1 year ago#21
The newer ones are better, but still not great. The launch controllers were garbage though.
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chief606 1 year ago#22
Chairstood posted...
It would have cost me 600kr (about 85$) to insurance the controller. Just as much as a new controller anyway.

Yeah, everything is quite expensive in Denmark.

The PS4 Slim costs 2400kr (about 350$)

A game costs 500kr (about 75$)

What the actual? That's way too much money. Here in Canada, the controller insurance was 8 or 10 bucks, can't remember at the moment. A new controller is a little over 70 bucks after taxes. That's why the plan is worth it here. If the insurance cost as much as the controller, there is literally no reason to buy it.
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chrono2888 1 year ago#23
I usually endup dropping mine on the floor almost everyday for one reason or another. Ive had my ps4 over a year. Controller still works as if it was new
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NettoSaito 1 year ago#24
The original PS4 controllers had rubber that broke down pretty easily, but the newer ones shouldn't have any issues. My launch PS4 controller started running off right from the get go but took 2 years to rip to the plastic, but the controller I bought after has been 100% fine. 

So no don't worry about it. Besides new rubber caps are like 3 bucks on Amazon
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95_Eclipse 1 year ago#25
I'm still using my launch contoller, and I use it on PC as well. I've used it for over 350 hours on PC alone.
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pnut027 1 year ago#26
ragekit posted...
Chairstood posted...
ragekit posted...
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Elgiganten (danish for Electronic Giant)


Not familiar with it but all you need to know is that DS4s are well made and will not break easily. The only way this guy went through five controllers in a year is if he's throwing them around every time he loses lol

Or if he's lying to get you to cough up more cash.


Get the hell out. The latest model is decent, but the launch and one right after were pretty bad when it came to battery and the rubber grips on the analog sticks.
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singhellotaku 1 year ago#27
kind of like them pushing insurance plans for games...do I really need insurance for something that costs less than a hundred dollars? $60 isn't cheap, but replacing a game is hardly financially devastaing, especially since by the time you might need to, that game will have probably dropped in price significantly.

Granted controllers don't get cheaper over time, but still, they aren't all that pricey, and 5 in a year? is he storing them in a jar of peanut butter...then throwing the jar out of a moving car into a river...which then flows over a waterfall...into a volcano?

Christ, take even a modicum of care and they should last a couple years each, more if you are tolerant of a drifting analog stick or a weak trigger spring.
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singhellotaku 1 year ago#28
pnut027 posted...
ragekit posted...
Chairstood posted...
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Not familiar with it but all you need to know is that DS4s are well made and will not break easily. The only way this guy went through five controllers in a year is if he's throwing them around every time he loses lol

Or if he's lying to get you to cough up more cash.


Get the hell out. The latest model is decent, but the launch and one right after were pretty bad when it came to battery and the rubber grips on the analog sticks.


sure, but this dude was talking about 5 in the last year, not 5 3 years ago. Not a fan of the ds4, but crappy first wave (my launch controller's r2 spring snapped, the sticks peeled, and the 2 halves of the controller literally started coming apart after a few months...the launch controllers sucked hard) 

aside from those, the build quality is fine on the newer ones.
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Shy420 1 year ago#29
5 controllers in one year? Dude has some rage issues. I play every day or nearly so and I've yet to wear out any controller other than the launch controller and it;s shitty thumb pads.
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Wednesday, September 5, 2018

Pro Controller Support

There are people who don’t like motion controls. 

There are people who don’t like the JoyCon controllers. 

There are people who only briefly owned a Wii and never owned a WiiU. We may not be familiar with some games or franchises and their features or gimmicks. 

There are people who don’t game on the DS brand, so again, they may not be into certain games or series.

I use the Pro controller and prefer to play on the TV. I dislike motion controls. I dislike the JoyCon. If I saw TWEWY and was like, “Oh, cool, a new game for Switch,” and then I get the game and get home and can’t play it with the Pro, I’m screwed. Mind you, I’m not saying the game should change or cater to me. If that’s the devs’ vision and intention, then so be it. I skip the game and move on. However, I still worry that it sets a precedent if certain games do well without Pro support. It tells Nintendo and devs that that style is profitable, and that limits me as a consumer sometimes. To those who enjoy it, enjoy the game. To some of us, it’s a disappointment.

I own 3 Pro Controllers -- one of each official color, which means one Black ver, one Splatoon ver, one Xenoblade 2 ver. I'll have 4 soon when Smash Bros version releases.

While I love the Switch Pro Controller and it's my favorite controller of the past few gens, playing with Joy-Con is not the night and day difference the above naysayers and people like them wish to mislead others into thinking.

Yes, it's a minor inconvenience if I'm playing with friends and I have to use Joy-Con while they use my 3 Pro Cons (because I'm a nice guy and usually the best player of our group anyway). But is it game breakingly different to have to use dual Joy-Cons vs a Pro Con? No, it ain't, and the fact that the system comes with a pair of Joy-Cons AND an adapter to use them like a regular controller = quit your fuckin cryin, cuz you people weren't even going to get the game anyway if the only reason you're refusing to get it now is because of Pro Controller support.

Pro controller not compatible with TWEWY

“At a Nintendo demo event, a Nintendo representative led me through its two control schemes: touch screen with the Switch undocked and most notably its Joy Con-enabled controls, which allow for another player to hop in for co-op (local only, though). A few days ago, a Korean listing for The World Ends With You: Final Mix elicited some conversation due to its omission of Pro controller support. I asked a Nintendo representative if a traditional control scheme with a Pro controller will be supported, to which they confirmed won't be possible. It's solo Joy Con with motion reticle aiming and touch screen or bust."


First it was Super Mario Party, now TWEWY is the next game completely omitting Pro controller support. I’m not liking this at all. What’s the point of not supporting an additional controller? Even with SMP, which I get has mostly minigames focused on Joycon gimmicks like gyro and accelerometer or IR, but literally all of these features are available with the Pro Controller. This is frustrating, especially with TWEWY as I’m not looking forward to using pointer controls at all.

I played this on the 3DS recently and then on an iPhone. This game would be tough to play without a touch screen or without the better motion controls on the joycons.

Just a thought to why Square ditched the pro controller. Even motion controls would probably be tough with this game. Have you guys played this game recently? Idk why you would play this game without a touch screen or even a pro controller where the gyro controls aren’t as sensitive. That would be annoying or not work as well - again probably why Square ditched it, because it doesn’t work too well, more likely the reason.

Voez, Swim Out, Oceanhorn, Gorogoa, Implosion, Beach Buggy Racing, and probably a bunch more that I'm unaware of... All originally mobile games, and thus were entirely touch screen, yet all have been ported to the Switch and have full Pro controller support.

Nintendo has had absolutely no issues adding controller support to games that were literally designed to work as touch-screen only. There's no reason for anyone to have expected The World Ends With You to not have Pro controller support.

Really disappointing to hear, and actually has me reconsidering buying the game.
Mario Party was the first big upcoming game I'd heard of to not support Pro Controller at all, but I was trying out Cube Creator X (JP) with my gf the other day and noticed that it wouldn't let us pass the Start Screen when we booted the game. Disconnected the Joy-Cons and it started working without issue.

For some games like Mario Party, 1-2 Switch and TWEWY I can see this as a valid creative decision and don't mind it at all if it's justified due to inherent gameplay limitations. I kinda wish ARMS had been Joy-Con only too, since I probably would have liked it more if I didn't play it with my Pro Contoller the first time (it's quite boring without Joy-Cons tbh). For others like Cube Creator, some games are just lazy af to not implement Pro Controller support when the game utilizes Joy-Cons the same way as a Pro Con.

Off the top of my head, for various pin controls:

- Drag a line across the screen to create a damaging chain.

- Slash across Neku / tap empty space / hold empty space to fire bullets.

- Rapidly slash enemies for sword pins.

- Rapidly tap empty space for certain rising attack pins.

- Hold and drag to create a wall of fire.

- Draw a circle / blow into the mic to release a spinning slash.


That's not even all of them.


The combat's pretty fast-paced. You need to be able to constantly move Neku while being able to have the pointer where it needs to be when using pins. This type of reflexive aiming would get really cumbersome with the Pro Controller, I assume.

Monday, September 4, 2017

Best and worst controllers in your opinion?

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DocileOrangeCup 16 hours ago#1
TheDarkCircle 16 hours ago#2
Proof?
DocileOrangeCup 16 hours ago#3
The Admiral 16 hours ago#4
Steam controller is my least favorite.

Xbox and the Dualshock 2 are my favorites.

Of course, this is excluding the Wii stick controller, which is horrendous.
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TheDarkCircle 16 hours ago#5
DocileOrangeCup posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Proof?

I don't like you


this is a lame gimmick bro
TheMarthKoopa 16 hours ago#6
Best: Wii U Pro, Wii Classic Pro

Worst: Dualshock 1/2/3/4, Switch Pro
averagejoel 16 hours ago#7
best: Xbox 360 (I don't remember if they're the same as basic Xbox, and I've never played an Xbox 1 so idk)

the worst one is N64
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DocileOrangeCup 16 hours ago#8
TheMarthKoopa posted...
Best: Wii U Pro, Wii Classic Pro

Worst: Dualshock 1/2/3/4, Switch Pro

You are why I made this topic

also wtf the ds4 is pretty good to hold.

i mean it's poorly made and overpriced but it feels nice in my hands.

averagejoel posted...
best: Xbox 360 (I don't remember if they're the same as basic Xbox, and I've never played an Xbox 1 so idk)

the worst one is N64

ehhhh idk about n64 being the worst. i mean it was complicated but it was okay.

TheDarkCircle posted...


this is a lame gimmick bro

i now hate you
MabusIncarnate 16 hours ago#9
Xbox 360 and One are the best. 

N64 and Dreamcast had awful controllers (although the virtual memory card for the DC controller was so freakin cool)
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TheDarkCircle 16 hours ago#10
DocileOrangeCup posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...


this is a lame gimmick bro

i now hate you


Proof?
Zurkon 16 hours ago#11
PS4 is what I'm most used to and most comfortable with

Any of the archaic flat controllers are my least favorite NES, SNES, ect.
DocileOrangeCup 16 hours ago#12
The Admiral posted...
Steam controller is my least favorite.

Xbox and the Dualshock 2 are my favorites.

Of course, this is excluding the Wii stick controller, which is horrendous.

hey i played ssbb mainly with the wiimote lol. never held a steam controller.
MabusIncarnate posted...
Xbox 360 and One are the best. 
N64 and Dreamcast had awful controllers (although the virtual memory card for the DC controller was so freakin cool)

is that what that hole was for?

TheDarkCircle posted...
DocileOrangeCup posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...


this is a lame gimmick bro

i now hate you


Proof?

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75738635/885971266
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TheMarthKoopa 16 hours ago#13
DocileOrangeCup posted...
You are why I made this topic

also wtf the ds4 is pretty good to hold.

i mean it's poorly made and overpriced but it feels nice in my hands.

DS4 is f***ing garbage

There isn't any way to hold it without my thumbs constantly sliding off the sticks. It's fine for RPGs but any action games likes Nioh or even Terraria in boss fights it's damn useless as a controller.
Gafemage 16 hours ago#14
Tmk 16 hours ago#15
Playstation controller (any model really) is the best.

The worst is probably some obscure one no one cares about so I'll just pick N64 since it was a major console and is just ridiculously stupid.
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Blbmbr666 16 hours ago#16
Best: 360 and GameCube
Worst: Original Xbox controller (giant hand size), Dualshock controllers (child hand size)
MabusIncarnate 16 hours ago#17
Yeah, it was like a tiny two inch gameboy. You could disconnect it from the controller and play mini games on it to get in-game items for games like Skies of Arcadia.
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prince_leo 16 hours ago#18
DS4 just feels perfect for the types of games I play with it
mainstream controllers? prolly the N64. worst could be something else, but out of the ones I have the most experience with that'll win
ReD_ToMaTo 16 hours ago#19
Best: PS4 and X360

Worst: N64, Wii, Wii U.

Nintendo's the champ at making s***ty controllers.
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Tmk 16 hours ago#20
You know actually I may have to change my vote. While the N64 controller is just patently stupid, if I had to choose between playing a game with it, or a Wii U Gamepad thing...I'd probably go with the N64. >_>
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Bad_Mojo 16 hours ago#21
DocileOrangeCup 16 hours ago#22
TheMarthKoopa posted...
DocileOrangeCup posted...
You are why I made this topic

also wtf the ds4 is pretty good to hold.

i mean it's poorly made and overpriced but it feels nice in my hands.

DS4 is f***ing garbage

There isn't any way to hold it without my thumbs constantly sliding off the sticks. It's fine for RPGs but any action games likes Nioh or even Terraria in boss fights it's damn useless as a controller.

idk man ever since i switched to ps4 from ps3 i got a lot better at FPSs.

Gafemage posted...
Best: Wii U Pro

Worst: Idk

i need me one of those. f*** why are controllers so expensive?

prince_leo posted...
DS4 just feels perfect for the types of games I play with it
mainstream controllers? prolly the N64. worst could be something else, but out of the ones I have the most experience with that'll win

anything madcatz of course.

MabusIncarnate posted...
Yeah, it was like a tiny two inch gameboy. You could disconnect it from the controller and play mini games on it to get in-game items for games like Skies of Arcadia.

wow that's pretty neat, i dont remember that at all.
Tmk posted...
Playstation controller (any model really) is the best.

The worst is probably some obscure one no one cares about so I'll just pick N64 since it was a major console and is just ridiculously stupid.

yeah probably. a lot of off brand ones for major consoles are awful as well.
Yaridovich 16 hours ago#23
I love the Dualshock 4 and Gamecube controllers. They're at a tie for my number one. They're both so comfortable to hold. The DS4 is weighted perfectly and the Gamecube controller has the most comfortable shoulder buttons I've ever used. 

The Sega Genesis controller is my least favorite. The buttons are squishy, the shape is anti-ergonomic and the lack of buttons is embarrassing, even for its time.
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M_Live 16 hours ago#24
GameCube and Nintendo 64 controllers are probably my least favorite
DoubleDare 16 hours ago#25
Best: Sega Genesis 6 button controller.

Worst: Gamecube.
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TheMarthKoopa 15 hours ago#26
DocileOrangeCup posted...
idk man ever since i switched to ps4 from ps3 i got a lot better at FPSs.

Playing FPS with any controller is just stupid
DocileOrangeCup 15 hours ago#27
TheMarthKoopa posted...
DocileOrangeCup posted...
idk man ever since i switched to ps4 from ps3 i got a lot better at FPSs.

Playing FPS with any controller is just stupid

but aim assist

DoubleDare posted...
Best: Sega Genesis 6 button controller.

Worst: Gamecube.

i dont know about any of that

Yaridovich posted...
I love the Dualshock 4 and Gamecube controllers. They're at a tie for my number one. They're both so comfortable to hold. The DS4 is weighted perfectly and the Gamecube controller has the most comfortable shoulder buttons I've ever used. 

The Sega Genesis controller is my least favorite. The buttons are squishy, the shape is anti-ergonomic and the lack of buttons is embarrassing, even for its time.

i agree with the first part but ive never used a genesis controller.

M_Live posted...
GameCube and Nintendo 64 controllers are probably my least favorite

hmmmmm
weapon_d00d816 15 hours ago#28
Best: Xbox One (Elite is bae) and 360, Wii U Pro

Worst: PS1-3, N64
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TheMarthKoopa 15 hours ago#29
DocileOrangeCup posted...
but aim assist

Do you play platformers with jump assist?
ChromaticAngel 15 hours ago#30
Best: XB1 Elite Controller, Steam Controller
Worst: N64 Controller, DS4 Controller
Darmik 15 hours ago#31
Worst I've used was that Wii Classic Controller attachment thing. Not the Pro but the one before that. Wtf was that?
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weapon_d00d816 15 hours ago#32
TheMarthKoopa posted...
DocileOrangeCup posted...
but aim assist

Do you play platformers with jump assist?

Failed comparison.
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Turbam 15 hours ago#33
Best = my favorite 
Worst = your're favorite
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TheMarthKoopa 15 hours ago#34
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Failed comparison.

FPS is about shooting
Platformers are about jumping

Why play a game if the game is just going to do most of the work for you in the most important aspect of its genre
Frolex 15 hours ago#35
Best:360 controller with the transforming d-pad
Worst:Ouya
the_cajun88 15 hours ago#36
The Wii U Pro Controller is the best controller I've ever used. 

So comfortable, and it never really dies - you just realize it's been a few months since you last charged it.
1NfamousACE_2 15 hours ago#37
The original XBOX controller was f***ing terrible
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Yaridovich 15 hours ago#38
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
The original XBOX controller was f***ing terrible


I will never understand how anybody looked at that and thought it was an appropriate size for a controller.
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weapon_d00d816 15 hours ago#39
TheMarthKoopa posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Failed comparison.

FPS is about shooting
Platformers are about jumping

Why play a game if the game is just going to do most of the work for you in the most important aspect of its genre

You continue to show you have no experience with the FPS genre. It doesn't do most of the work for you. It simply allows you to track your targets while you fine tune your aim because a joystick has less range of movement.

I've played both PC and console shooters plenty, and PC shooters were not more difficult. They were close to identical in difficulty. The difference is in the skill ceiling, not the skill floor.
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ChromaticAngel 15 hours ago#40
Yaridovich posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
The original XBOX controller was f***ing terrible


I will never understand how anybody looked at that and thought it was an appropriate size for a controller.


It was almost the same size as the dreamcast controller.

weapon_d00d816 posted...
You continue to show you have no experience with the FPS genre. It doesn't do most of the work for you. It simply allows you to track your targets while you fine tune your aim because a joystick has less range of movement.


When you're defending First person shooters w/controllers on consoles, it's time to stop posting.
weapon_d00d816 15 hours ago#41
ChromaticAngel posted...
When you're defending First person shooters w/controllers on consoles, it's time to stop posting.

Okay let's just ignore the millions upon millions of people playing FPSs on consoles and dismiss that as being a horrid and unplayable experience.
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ChromaticAngel 14 hours ago#42
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Okay let's just ignore the millions upon millions of people playing FPSs on consoles and dismiss that as being a horrid and unplayable experience.


There are also millions and millions of people living in thatch-roofed homes with no electricity in Africa.
weapon_d00d816 14 hours ago#43
ChromaticAngel posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Okay let's just ignore the millions upon millions of people playing FPSs on consoles and dismiss that as being a horrid and unplayable experience.


There are also millions and millions of people living in thatch-roofed homes with no electricity in Africa.

That would be like playing on a laptop trackpad, not a controller.

The only people who ever seem to have issues with using controllers for FPS are PC only players, and it's because they're unwilling to learn. It works just fine for everyone else.
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ChromaticAngel 14 hours ago#44
weapon_d00d816 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Okay let's just ignore the millions upon millions of people playing FPSs on consoles and dismiss that as being a horrid and unplayable experience.


There are also millions and millions of people living in thatch-roofed homes with no electricity in Africa.

That would be like playing on a laptop trackpad, not a controller.


just because two different options are s*** doesn't mean one of them is not s***.
weapon_d00d816 14 hours ago#45
ChromaticAngel posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Okay let's just ignore the millions upon millions of people playing FPSs on consoles and dismiss that as being a horrid and unplayable experience.


There are also millions and millions of people living in thatch-roofed homes with no electricity in Africa.

That would be like playing on a laptop trackpad, not a controller.


just because two different options are s*** doesn't mean one of them is not s***.

But one isn't s***. It's just not perfect.
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ChromaticAngel 14 hours ago#46
You know that might be the most Zen thing I ever said in my life.
Kaname_Madoka 14 hours ago#47
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TheMarthKoopa 14 hours ago#48
weapon_d00d816 posted...
You continue to show you have no experience with the FPS genre. It doesn't do most of the work for you. It simply allows you to track your targets while you fine tune your aim because a joystick has less range of movement.

All you're doing is proving my point: Playing FPS with controllers is dumb because the game needs to assist you with basic f***ing mechanics

And how the hell does me never playing FPS on console mean I'm lacking experience in the FPS genre? That makes NO SENSE
Yaridovich 14 hours ago#49
Ah CE, taking the benign and turning it into an acidic argument since 2005
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DoomSwell 14 hours ago#50
Best: GameCube & PlayStations
Worst: WiiMote/Nunchuck, Xboxes, Intelli-comodor-pong... any of the rip off Atari stuff with knobs and keypads.
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    weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#51
    TheMarthKoopa posted...
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    You continue to show you have no experience with the FPS genre. It doesn't do most of the work for you. It simply allows you to track your targets while you fine tune your aim because a joystick has less range of movement.

    All you're doing is proving my point: Playing FPS with controllers is dumb because the game needs to assist you with basic f***ing mechanics

    And how the hell does me never playing FPS on console mean I'm lacking experience in the FPS genre? That makes NO SENSE

    Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".

    You admitted your experience with the genre was almost entirely one game (PlanetSide), and I assume that means you have limited experience with console shooters by extension.
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    TheMarthKoopa 17 hours ago#52
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".

    "Your controller is literally incapable of performing the required motions for this genre, so we have to do it for you"

    Keep helping me prove my point. It makes this REALLY EASY

    You admitted your experience with the genre was almost entirely one game (PlanetSide)

    Now you're just making up stupid bulls***
    ChromaticAngel 17 hours ago#53
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".


    "We're going to assume you know how to ride a bike with two wheels so we're going to leave these training wheels on."

    "We assume you know how to cook a burger so we'll just give you premade burgers that you can just microwave for 30 seconds."
    weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#54
    TheMarthKoopa posted...
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".

    "Your controller is literally incapable of performing the required motions for this genre, so we have to do it for you"

    Keep helping me prove my point. It makes this REALLY EASY

    You admitted your experience with the genre was almost entirely one game (PlanetSide)

    Now you're just making up stupid bulls***

    I'm saying it's a very mindless mechanic that ultimately doesn't change anything whether it's assisted or not.

    I think you're forgetting my stance here. Mice are definitely better. Controllers just aren't the absolutely unbearable experience PC elitists pretend they are.
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    TheMarthKoopa 17 hours ago#55
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    I'm saying it's a very mindless mechanic that ultimately doesn't change anything whether it's assisted or not.

    You're saying it's a mindless mechanic that the controller is still somehow incapable of doing

    since your joystick can't do both at once
    DonaldClinton 17 hours ago#56
    Best: dualshock 3
    Worst: the wiimote
    weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#57
    ChromaticAngel posted...
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    Target tracking is a mindless mechanic that assisting does almost nothing to impact the gameplay negatively. It isn't hard to track your targets with a mouse. You do it effortlessly with your subconscious. Aim assist is basically going "okay we assume you know how to do this extremely simple task so we'll take care of that for you in order for you to focus on the actual aiming since your joystick can't do both at once".


    "We're going to assume you know how to ride a bike with two wheels so we're going to leave these training wheels on."

    "We assume you know how to cook a burger so we'll just give you premade burgers that you can just microwave for 30 seconds."

    Not good comparisons because they have extra baggage that the original situation doesn't.
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    WizardPowers 17 hours ago#58
    Best - ps2/360 controller

    worst - xbox/gamecube/dreamcast
    weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#59
    TheMarthKoopa posted...
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    I'm saying it's a very mindless mechanic that ultimately doesn't change anything whether it's assisted or not.

    You're saying it's a mindless mechanic that the controller is still somehow incapable of doing

    since your joystick can't do both at once

    Yeah? And...?

    What was logically inconsistent there?
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    ChromaticAngel 17 hours ago#60
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    Not good comparisons because they have extra baggage that the original situation doesn't.

    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    because a joystick has less range of movement.


    k
    TheMarthKoopa 17 hours ago#61
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    Yeah? And...?

    What was logically inconsistent there?

    Your brain is the logical inconsistency, dude
    weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#62
    ChromaticAngel posted...
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    Not good comparisons because they have extra baggage that the original situation doesn't.

    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    because a joystick has less range of movement.


    k

    Yeah sorry you can't just slip by pretending you had to have made some kind of argument by cobbling some quotes together.
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    weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#63
    TheMarthKoopa posted...
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    Yeah? And...?

    What was logically inconsistent there?

    Your brain is the logical inconsistency, dude

    The joystick's inability is a mechanical limitation not a user's lack of competence.
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    TheMarthKoopa 17 hours ago#64
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    The joystick's inability is a mechanical limitation not a user's lack of competence.

    The entire argument here is that joysticks are f***ing garbage for shooter games because the games need to compensate for what they are incapable of doing
    weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#65
    TheMarthKoopa posted...
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    The joystick's inability is a mechanical limitation not a user's lack of competence.

    The entire argument here is that joysticks are f***ing garbage for shooter games because the games need to compensate for what they are incapable of doing

    And what they are incapable of doing is extremely negligible.

    The fact that millions of people make do with controllers says that controllers are not garbage, you're an elitist who justifies his decisions by claiming that other decisions were utterly unacceptable.
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    TheMarthKoopa 17 hours ago#66
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    And what they are incapable of doing is extremely negligible.

    Nope. Aiming is the entire point of the genre. If your controller has to help you with the easiest thing, it's a damn failure of a control method.

    The fact that millions of people make do with controllers says that controllers are not garbage

    Those millions of people that would stand exactly 0% of a chance against people using proper input methods.
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    weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#68
    TheMarthKoopa posted...
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    And what they are incapable of doing is extremely negligible.

    Nope. Aiming is the entire point of the genre. If your controller has to help you with the easiest thing, it's a damn failure of a control method.

    The fact that millions of people make do with controllers says that controllers are not garbage

    Those millions of people that would stand exactly 0% of a chance against people using proper input methods.

    You're misrepresenting the argument. It's not aiming overall that it assists, it's merely one aspect of aiming that it assists. Aim assist doesn't do s*** for fine tuning your shots. That's still all on you.

    Also with the second part, I've found it's the opposite. Pitting people of equal skill level, the gap between a console player and a PC player playing each other on KB+M is much narrower than a PC player and a console player with controllers. This is because mice are more intuitive and have greater freedom. You don't have to learn them.
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    TheMarthKoopa 16 hours ago#69
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    You're misrepresenting the argument. It's not aiming overall that it assists, it's merely one aspect of aiming that it assists. Aim assist doesn't do s*** for fine tuning your shots. That's still all on you.

    Requiring assistance in any aspect of aiming, especially minor ones, is proof that it is not a suitable device for such activities.

    Why are you making this so complicated

    Also with the second part, I've found it's the opposite. Pitting people of equal skill level, the gap between a console player and a PC player playing each other on KB+M is much narrower than a PC player and a console player with controllers. This is because mice are more intuitive and have greater freedom. You don't have to learn them.

    I don't care about the results of people using the same device. I'm talking about people using mice destroying people using controllers.
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    Darmik 16 hours ago#71
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    The fact that millions of people make do with controllers says that controllers are not garbage, you're an elitist who justifies his decisions by claiming that other decisions were utterly unacceptable.


    Remember when millions of people made do playing FPS games with a single thumbstick 20 years ago?

    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    It's not aiming overall that it assists, it's merely one aspect of aiming that it assists. Aim assist doesn't do s*** for fine tuning your shots. That's still all on you.


    What are you on about dude? It literally sticks the cursor to enemies so you don't have to aim as much.

    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    This is because mice are more intuitive and have greater freedom. You don't have to learn them.


    No s***. Because dual thumbsticks for FPS games aren't intuitive at all. That's why they need aim assist to be good. That's why it's really not that great.
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    Tmk 16 hours ago#72
    PC gamers are the worst.
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    LRodC 15 hours ago#73
    Best: Switch Pro, Wii U Pro, NES, SNES, Xbox One, PS4

    Worst: Jaguar, N64, Dreamcast, OG Xbox
    The_Donald 15 hours ago#74
    1NfamousACE_2 posted...
    The original XBOX controller was f***ing terrible

    The S controller was godlike tho.
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    MasterGakke 14 hours ago#75
    I don't know about overall, but the d pad on the standard release 360 controllers was f***ing terrible. I had to change up my Tekken lineup because several characters became much worse when key moves in their arsenal became complete gambles because that putrid plus-shaped piece of f*** wouldn't work. 

    Thankfully later releases of the controller got a little better, or maybe I just adjusted to the crap factor. Hooray for being able to spin around like a loon with Heihachi again!
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    DarkChozoGhost 14 hours ago#76
    The best is the 360 controller, followed by the Wii U pro controller. The worst are gimmicky s*** like Rock Band guitars, but the worst normal controller is the Dualshock 3. Letters >>>>>>> times infinity >>>>>> Sony's stupid shapes.
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    ave1 10 hours ago#77
    Favorites: X1 controller (Elite is truly the best) and PS4 controller. I also have liked the original Xbox controller S and 360 controller (the one with the convertible d-pad).

    Least favorite: I didn't like the way the dreamcast controller made my hands feel after more than an hour of playing. 

    Special honors: I actually grew very used to the Atari Jaguar gamepad and like the feel of it in my hands to this day. Yeah, it doesn't look too snazzy, but it just handles well.
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    I was a PC gamer before I went to console shooters and I never had too much trouble with either.

    The Switch Joycons are definitely on my negative list. They're expensive, not ergonomic in the slightest, and smudge/wear easily.

    Dualshock 4 is incredible
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    ArchiePeck 10 hours ago#79
    360 is probably the best conventional one ever made.

    I don't understand all the N64 hate, though. It worked great for the games at the time!
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