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Overworld like the original and an upgrade/extension of something like Type-0's, or all out like FFXV's?
Or something else?
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I'll see ff15 open world stuff
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The former.
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Very large connected zones like DQXI.
Square-Enix cannot do open worlds to save their life. |
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If there's an open world, it'd have to be like the original's, just an overworld for getting between areas. A true open world isn't feasible due to the scale of the journey. In things like XV, Elder Scrolls, and Zelda games, you're only in a very small area, something the size of a kingdom. VII has you traveling the entire world. Unless they're okay depicting the world as being extremely tiny (which they definitely are not, given how much they've expanded on), it wouldn't be fitting.
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Realistically, I don’t see them making an open world or anything like that. With that, I wouldn’t mind seeing them make it like smaller areas. I feel like that one area you go with to beat up monster in the sector 7 slums with Tifa would be the closest to what it would look like.
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There is no way part 2 will be open world. Better keep expectations in check.
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Neo_Tai posted...
I'll see ff15 open world stuffThat'd be horrible considering FF15's world is bland as hell. A map hub like FFX or giant interconnected zones like DQXI would work MUCH better.
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More like certain places but there are roads and instant transport.
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A blend of the two. It would be great if the camera slowly panned out as you moved away from midgar to eventually resemple the overworld from the original. Then as you approach locations it slowly zooms back in. All seamless with no loading screens. It would be the best of both worlds.
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I want to place my money on there being some type of overmap elements considering they were a very large part of 7's overall popularity and mechanics.
Chocobos were important for a good amount of content, the Submarine is a fan favorite, and the Airship is one of the reasons Cid exists.
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Schlubotipelto posted...
Very large connected zones like DQXI. This would be okay too. But I want a fully functional airship. If I remember DQ11 correctly, you could only land at designated points. Little bit different from FF7. |
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Seeing how this game was structured, I don't think they can ever do the open world justice. It's also a question of where the next game will actually end, since there's no clear stopping point until they get to the City of the Ancients which is a LOT of game especially if they plan on doing everything in the same scope as they did Midgar.
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I think there was a poll on this earlier. The most voted was "wide linear" so something along the lines off ff12, which I think would work really well. Big enough to explore but still small enough to keep things flowing.
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sanddude20 posted...
Seeing how this game was structured, I don't think they can ever do the open world justice. It's also a question of where the next game will actually end, since there's no clear stopping point until they get to the City of the Ancients which is a LOT of game especially if they plan on doing everything in the same scope as they did Midgar.I don't know about anybody else here, but to me, if they weren't to invest in some kind of simple overworld in the very least, then they would be cutting a good amount of content.
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sanddude20 posted...
Seeing how this game was structured, I don't think they can ever do the open world justice. It's also a question of where the next game will actually end, since there's no clear stopping point until they get to the City of the Ancients which is a LOT of game especially if they plan on doing everything in the same scope as they did Midgar.I can see getting to Kalm then to the next area being a big deal. You can bet the Marsh is gonna be an entire area on its own, not to mention the Mythril Mines are most likely gonna be a much more expanded dungeon, Fort Condor will also probably be mandatory.
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i'm in the minority of people who don't want an open world.
i'd rather have an on rails story with very limited and controlled traveling. i played shenmue 3, and see that ff7r suffers from the very same issues in pacing. having this team make an open world would seem to have disastrous story amount implications for ff7r.
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Im hopeful they add overworld travel but also very doubtful, I feel that it would break immersion. That being said, the illusion of freedom and getting to explore the world is a nice touch and works very well for most games. E.g tales of vesperia
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A more detailed version of XV’s open world done in a way that story progression is still linear, but exploring the world would still yield benefits.
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Haseo8 posted...
I can see getting to Kalm then to the next area being a big deal. You can bet the Marsh is gonna be an entire area on its own, not to mention the Mythril Mines are most likely gonna be a much more expanded dungeon, Fort Condor will also probably be mandatory. Most areas in this game all have an important story beat, or at the very least significant character development for someone, any that don't are either just a "dungeon" you walk through like the Mythril mines, or optional. I'm personally expecting to cry when Red finds out about his father if they do his story justice. It's just a matter of how they will string us along this path. While true the game was "technically" linear basically all they way until you got to the North Crater (i.e. right before you got the Highwind) you were still able to explore side areas and return to past areas for either additional content or side stories. Yuffie and Vincent's stories for example, all the secret caves you can get to. Hell the whole point of breeding Chocobo was so you can use them in the world map to get to practically broken end game materia I don't see how they can keep that same feel assuming they're are keeping similar mechanics to this game. Unless they are going to justify reworking how the next game even works, with a bigger party and all.
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SOLDIER_Bankai posted...
If there's an open world, it'd have to be like the original's, just an overworld for getting between areas. A true open world isn't feasible due to the scale of the journey. In things like XV, Elder Scrolls, and Zelda games, you're only in a very small area, something the size of a kingdom. VII has you traveling the entire world. Unless they're okay depicting the world as being extremely tiny (which they definitely are not, given how much they've expanded on), it wouldn't be fitting. They split the game so that the second game could have a few different regions like hzd. |
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ReiRei89 posted...
That'd be horrible considering FF15's world is bland as hell. don't look at me for that since peoples are pretty hook with this style,beside i would also prefer ffx type world,but still we gonna see how thing turn out. Cause right now alot of stuff need to be work on |
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Depends on how far the second game goes. If its pre-Highwind it will still be relatively small scale so I would be fine with something similar to FFXV. I think the world of FFVII is far too big for openworld. It wasnt originally open world, it was a world map.
I dont expect the game to make it all the way to the end of Disc 2, so I guess we'll just have to see. |
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lionhartwolf posted...
Depends on how far the second game goes. If its pre-Highwind it will still be relatively small scale so I would be fine with something similar to FFXV. I think the world of FFVII is far too big for openworld. It wasnt originally open world, it was a world map. Yeah it was a open world-map but still if you turn this similar to ff15 you could have a huge big viper attacking you in the desert :P |
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Hate to say it but KH3 had a decent way of doing it. Basically big levels that are open enough to be like a bite sized open-world and still have things to do in them.
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FeltMarker22 posted...
Hate to say it but KH3 had a decent way of doing it. Basically big levels that are open enough to be like a bite sized open-world and still have things to do in them. that's very possible. each area would have a town the size of wall market, and the surrounding areas would be open range for combat? i mean at this point, they can't make a brand new world with the current resources. it's too much for a game they plan on launching before they die.
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My guess is that there will be 3 more episodes, each with wide-linear chunks of the story. Episode 2 will feature:
-Kalm -Chocobo Ranch/Plains -Swamp -Mythril Mines -Rocky Plains/Fort Condor -Recruit Yuffie -Junon/Finale -maybe a Cargo Ship finale Junon could reasonably be an endpoint. Rufus and Heideggar are present, and the Sister Ray reveal could be pretty climactic. Otherwise a showdown on the cargo ship with Jenova could work as well. Wishful thinking would be: -Costa del sol -Gongaga -Corel Mountains -Gold Saucer/Prison -Cosmo Canyon -Finale at Nibelheim But I think that's just too much for a single entry. It's hard to fathom what will be possible when things arent centralized like with Midgar. |
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wonder how the fight with the Ultima weapon would be like
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There's no way it will have an open world. Chocobos and the airship will probably just be fast travel.
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It’d be nice if it was open overworld with random battles... then once we got into towns it could go back to linear routes like it was is in Midgar. If they do it like FFX... I don’t much care for linear paths between towns. Been a while, but what if it was like Gran Pulse from FF13 and less like FF15?
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suhtiwdog posted...
It’d be nice if it was open overworld with random battles... then once we got into towns it could go back to linear routes like it was is in Midgar. If they do it like FFX... I don’t much care for linear paths between towns. Been a while, but what if it was like Gran Pulse from FF13 and less like FF15?This board would go crazy if they brought back random battles.
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I'd rather it be linear with a few more open areas tbh
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SOLDIER_Bankai posted...
If there's an open world, it'd have to be like the original's, just an overworld for getting between areas. A true open world isn't feasible due to the scale of the journey. In things like XV, Elder Scrolls, and Zelda games, you're only in a very small area, something the size of a kingdom. VII has you traveling the entire world. Unless they're okay depicting the world as being extremely tiny (which they definitely are not, given how much they've expanded on), it wouldn't be fitting. Exactly, xv map is 780 sqmile, which if you want to decipit one continent, let alone whole world is WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY too tiny. Godzilla cloud in the vein of original is the best option if you want to give an illusion of grand world. Fully open world will result in tiniest planet in existence. Doing it like in X or XII is also one way, maybe the likeliest theyll go with. |
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Smackems posted...
I'd rather it be linear with a few more open areas tbh go play ff13 is to linear it was boring |
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Semi-linear or semi-open. Something like FFXII is good.
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Xenoblade chronicles
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They’re gonna copy and paste FFXV world and change some stuff.
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DullahanEX posted...
Semi-linear or semi-open. Something like FFXII is good. I'd love it to be handled like FF12 but it's going to be similar to what is in in part 1 unfortunately. I highly doubt it will be open at all. |
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I think it would probably be best done like FF12.
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World map with the areas you visit being greatly expanded upon. I don't want another large open, boring world with nothing to do in like 15 again.
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ReiRei89 posted...
That'd be horrible considering FF15's world is bland as hell.Only bland as hell cause they fucked up and didn't put anything in it.
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Gamington posted...
Xenoblade chroniclesThis, tbh. Linear progression but the areas are wide enough to offer a bunch of exploration.
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3headed posted...
i'm in the minority of people who don't want an open world.Thank absolute god you dont work for Square Enix.
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I'd love to see the areas just like FFXII.
But I think they will make like FFXIII, FFX. |
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manta53 posted...
Thank absolute god you dont work for Square Enix. thank god indeed. i like money :D
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SolracXV posted...
I'd love to see the areas just like FFXII. if they have any sense, then they will make it like ffxiii. at this point, ffx would be a stretch goal :D
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Final Fantasy XII have the best world map in the franchise.
I don't see why you think the second game in the Final Fantasy VII Remake project will have open world. I don't see why this thread (or very similar ones) have to be done every 24 hours.
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Were you one of those people that thought Midgar would be open world too?
Part 2 will be another hallway simulator divided into chapters. No world map. No real sense of the continents |
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sano83 posted...
Final Fantasy XII have the best world map in the franchise. bc we're assuming that they want to expand on the world of ffvii, which is why they added fast travel and a showed more of midgar in remake. i plan on making this exact thread later today because i like talking about the game in a forum dedicated to talking about the game.
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kcirtap posted...
Were you one of those people that thought Midgar would be open world too? here's to hoping man.
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kcirtap posted...Were you one of those people that thought Midgar would be open world too?
No, I was one of the people that said it would be extremely linear. More linear that what we got, actually.PSN: F1R3PHO3N1X
Haven't you heard? The bird is the word.BakonBitz posted...This, tbh. Linear progression but the areas are wide enough to offer a bunch of exploration.
lol i doubt Square enix could even pull that off though. it'd take forever for them to complete since they like to present their games with high graphical fidelitySchlubotipelto posted...Very large connected zones like DQXI.
I just want to point out that referring to Square Enix as a singular entity doesn't make sense as it consists of many different development teams, each with its own talents and weaknesses.
Square-Enix cannot do open worlds to save their life.
Also, open worlds are hard to get right, so it isn't just SE that struggles with them. When you think about it, there are very few excellent open-world games.
I like the idea of making it like DQXI, though.Playing: Final Fantasy VII Remake
Anticipating: Xenoblade Definitive Editiongamerprince1999 posted...lol i doubt Square enix could even pull that off though. it'd take forever for them to complete since they like to present their games with high graphical fidelity
I don't think that's the case for Square Enix anymore, otherwise they'd opt to use an in-house engine instead of the Unreal Engine for FF7 and it's succeeding parts.PSN: F1R3PHO3N1X
Haven't you heard? The bird is the word.kcirtap posted...Were you one of those people that thought Midgar would be open world too?
even if it does go down this route, it'll probably still be great and better than X and XIII's hallway worlds. but i really hope they don't. when Dragon Quest 11 (a game developed by the same company probably with less budget than 7R part 1) and Tales of franchise (after Xillia) can provide non-hallway world designs that actually feel expansive adventurous to traverse, I don't see why FF can't do the same in 2020.
Part 2 will be another hallway simulator divided into chapters. No world map. No real sense of the continents
Even the hallway design in X was beat out by DQ8 which had a fully expansive world on the PS2. And FF12 was able to provide that as well (though not as organic or natural)jesseCheech posted...I don't think that's the case for Square Enix anymore, otherwise they'd opt to use an in-house engine instead of the Unreal Engine for FF7 and it's succeeding parts.
You could be right. If they truly go the Xenoblade route that would be the best possible scenario imo. But I just don’t see it happening. Something more simple like DQXI or Tales of Zestiria/Berseria seems more realistic to me.gamerprince1999 posted...even if it does go down this route, it'll probably still be great and better than X and XIII's hallway worlds. but i really hope they don't. when Dragon Quest 11 (a game developed by the same company probably with less budget than 7R part 1) and Tales of franchise (after Xillia) can provide non-hallway world designs that actually feel expansive adventurous to traverse, I don't see why FF can't do the same in 2020.
Even the hallway design in X was beat out by DQ8 which had a fully expansive world on the PS2. And FF12 was able to provide that as well (though not as organic or natural)
ff7r could barely run in very linear hallways without the need for slowdowns to load things properly. the movements were jagged bc of this.
do you realistically expect the team to put together better movement, and exploration of larger areas- a massive improvement from what we have right now?I make absurd posts because I find it entertaining. Take from them what you will. Just keep in mind that they are purposefully absurd :PI wouldn't mind seeing it in a style similar to Final Fantasy XII however with smoother transitioning between camera angles and scenes like in this remake.
Once leaving Midgar it could open up into an overworld area accessible up to the swamp. The area would naturally be bordered by mountains and the sea. The chocobo farm would be a little safe zone from the creatures roaming the wild.
The swamp would be its own seperate area as would the Mythril Mines. In all honesty the entire map could easily be broken up into manageable chunks that still keep it linear yet ample room to explore.3headed posted...
Good point.
ff7r could barely run in very linear hallways without the need for slowdowns to load things properly. the movements were jagged bc of this.
do you realistically expect the team to put together better movement, and exploration of larger areas- a massive improvement from what we have right now?
All i can really say at this point is that part 2 will probably be releasing on next gen hardware so fingers crossed i guess loli think it will be either like FFXV open world, but damn even FFXV's altissia the biggest town in the game is a seperate map from the openworld in the game, but considering they are developing for next-gen it could be possible it will be all-out FFXV open world or maybe like fallout/skyrim, because next-gen hardware can make it possible
or if they stick with current-gen they will probably make it chapters again like part 1
or do it the FFX way, travel via car/bike/airship/boat from a selection menu for the destinationI'm hoping for an open world in the final chapter. It would open up the opportunity for DLCs. But open world is not likely. It would change the game dynamics they have established. I'm guessing all chapters will operate the same linear way.
gamerprince1999 posted...Good point.
All i can really say at this point is that part 2 will probably be releasing on next gen hardware so fingers crossed i guess lol
well... actually, yeah.
i think the issue with this remake was that they just didn't have a lot of time, and i'm assuming b resources were used because they went with unreal (made for quick game creation).
they'll have more experience with unreal on the next game, and the added benefits of having more power... so... same boat dude. fingers crossed.I make absurd posts because I find it entertaining. Take from them what you will. Just keep in mind that they are purposefully absurd :PDragon Quest XI or Final Fantasy XII style, best JRPG map design after traditional world map designs IMO.The game is completely different, there will be no open world. Only maybe small sections inbetween locations.DQXI/FFXII styleExperiencePoint posted...Dragon Quest XI or Final Fantasy XII style, best JRPG map design after traditional world map designs IMO.
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Terra-enforcer: "You were right. I was wrong. I'm a filthy welcher."Probably like ff10 where they just do some in between walking thing. I'd be ok if they downgraded the graphics and you were on the world map walking into the small like townsMuflaggin posted...World map is pointless. There is nothing to explore really, at that point in the game. Just do it FF Tactics style and you click where you're going. Rather the resources go elsewhere and get the game out faster.
In the original yes. But FFVII prequels like CC introduced new locations we could visit. Nothing stops SE from just inventing new towns eitherCurrently Playing: Nioh (PS4), StellaGlow (3DS), FE Fates: Birthright, Summon Night 5 (PSV/PSP), Disgaea 5 (PS4), Ar Tonelico Series [Ar Tonelico 2] (PS2)DullahanEX posted...In the original yes. But FFVII prequels like CC introduced new locations we could visit. Nothing stops SE from just inventing new towns either
time prevents them from doing this. either from retirement or death.
they wanted to get this together to change the ff7 game with involvement from original team members. it's getting to that point where expanding could lead to the game just not being completed due to retirement or death.Honestly, for part 2 I'd be okay with big interconnected zones like Xenoblade, DQXI and FFXII.
I still want to access the whole world in the last game, tho.- Boards
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