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http://tinyurl.com/yb2a4k2e < GameSpot link right there
I really, really wanted this thing. I'll wait and watch some Youtube video reviews before I make my final decision. My main question is will it play $4 repros from Alixpress. I may have to wait and buy this thing on sale. |
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Probably better to pass on this. AT Games consoles are known to have sound issues as well.
Sucks that the first "official" HD Genesis is such a shoddy product.
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I will wait until the final product is released and some Youtubers review it. You know many of them will. ATGames claims to have fixed the sound issues.
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There may be some hope:
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/266964-atgames-fall-2017-flashback-and-portable-lineup/page-4#entry3815433 ^last post on the page, #100, if it doesn't end up where it's supposed to I would wait for it to officially release first, then see what the reviews say. |
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but here's the deal on both units. A bad production run of the Sega HD got out to reviewers (including me). I'm trying to work with AtGames to get ahead of this, but I think the damage is already going to be done. AtGames is already working on the production fix, which may delay the target September release date.
The Atari HD review units are fine. It's not perfect, but performs the way you would expect. As for my reviews, obviously I'm not going to bother reviewing the Sega HD unit until the actual fixed units are out there. There's no point. The review units are garbage and only hint at what it's supposed to be. It's an unfortunate mistake, but one that AtGames is working on fixing rather than putting that version out to the public. Yes! This is just what I had hoped happened! |
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I have a real Genesis and real TV's. Why would I want a crappy plug n play? lol
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You gotta hand it to ATGAMES by taking full advantage of the SNES mini fanfare to sell this thing at a time when people are more likely to buy it because they can't get the SNES mini.
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I don't really buy the "review units were a bad production run" excuse. If At Games as a company can't control the quality of the units they send to reviewers for early, pre-release press, why should I have any confidence in the quality of the product they release to the general public?
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Nothing is confirmed until there's a proper video comparison.
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They already have a review out for it, and they don't really talk about the sound. That said, I definitely want this, I've been wanting this
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Get a legitimate Genesis and reach deep into those pockets to buy the actual carts some of which are getting up there in price, but at least you'll have something worthwhile.
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^It's just trash talk based on second hand info.
Not that I don't think this thing has some serious issues but c'mon.
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Now the manufacturer is saying they sent out a bad batch of consoles to be reviewed and the finished product will be much better in September.
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Saxon posted...
Now the manufacturer is saying they sent out a bad batch of consoles to be reviewed and the finished product will be much better in September. Others have already made this point. But still, can you really trust a manufacturer who sent out a bad batch to reviewers? I mean, clearly, their quality control is pretty weak if they thought these review units were good to go. What confidence do we have that the final products will be better? And don't forget this isn't At Games' first attempt at a Genesis plug and play. They've been making them for years and they've been consistently bad. I would love to be wrong on this one, but I'm not very optimistic.
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I'll still take the wait and see approach. See what the next review batch is like, and what people are saying after it's officially released.
No idea why Pat and Ian are always assuming the ATGames stuff is trying to compete with Nintendo's stuff all the time? It's like they can't let the narrative of Sega vs. Nintendo go, in spite of the two companies working relationship nowadays. |
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TheRushDawg posted...
I don't really buy the "review units were a bad production run" excuse. If At Games as a company can't control the quality of the units they send to reviewers for early, pre-release press, why should I have any confidence in the quality of the product they release to the general public? I'm with you, man. It's bad that AT Games did send out s***ty review machines. How do you not at least test those and make sure these reviewers are getting good consoles? A good deal of people are getting a bad first impression because of this. I'm getting a bad first impression and I haven't touched one. Reviews were mixed at best with their last Genesis product so you'd think they'd give it a better go this time... I do like the idea behind it though and obviously it's probably not going to be for us who already have consoles and games. It's for the nostalgia crowd wanting to relive the past but haven't gotten on board like we have already. We'll see how it sells, but I suspect it won't be high. There's so many ways to get Genesis games and collections. There's the Sonic Mega Collection, Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection, Wii Virtual Console, Steam etc etc. So we'll see. But making a mistake like they did could hurt the bottomline and I don't see how you can take that risk when your market likely isn't going to be huge in the first place.
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Chinese HD Retro Game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKxamK2WwdM&t=0s
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I saw a review of this new Classic Genesis. The reviewer seemed to have a problem with the awkward way you navigate the interface and the wireless controllers, and that was it. He seemed to have plenty of good things to say about this Genesis.
Now with that said, not all of us own a CRT TV, and don't wish to be hindered by lag. So, I don't think that there will be much point in some of us even bothering to buy a used Sega Genesis, myself included.
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Apparently, there is a Chinese knock off from Fei Hao that has HD. Supposedly, it is better than the officially licensed At Games product.
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Saturday, August 12, 2017
DAMMIT MAN: Sega Genesis Classic confirmed to have frame drops.
Genesis video quality is terrible!!!!
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Composite at least. Jesus man this looks like someone ate fruit loops and threw up on my tv.
This is my first genesis ever and I didn't know it was this bad. I have a Sony crt tv and a genesis model 2 someone gave me. Compared to my Snes mini hooked up via composite it looks like gameboy original to a bluray. So I'm thinking of buying a genesis modded for svideo which my Sony supports. Does the genesis output decent s video? |
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Don't bother with the mod. The genesis is capable of RGB output which you can feed through the framemeister to HDMI. Some model 2 Genesis units don't have RGB output though. Open the unit with a cross-head screwdriver. Is there extra space inside the casing?
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noidentity posted...
Don't bother with the mod. The genesis is capable of RGB output which you can feed through the framemeister to HDMI. Some model 2 Genesis units don't have RGB output though. Open the unit with a cross-head screwdriver. Is there extra space inside the casing? But I don't want to deal with expensive framemeister and rgb. I have all my retro consoles hooked up to this Sony tv via s video. My nes and Snes are hooked up this way and look great. I'm happy with the genesis being this way too but wanted to know if it would look good or will it be similar to the puke component. When I opened it up the whole space was taken up with the board and metal casing. |
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Kobeskillz posted...
noidentity posted...Don't bother with the mod. The genesis is capable of RGB output which you can feed through the framemeister to HDMI. Some model 2 Genesis units don't have RGB output though. Open the unit with a cross-head screwdriver. Is there extra space inside the casing? Genesis composite video, or "the yellow wire", is known to be poor quality. Even for its time considering PC Engine launched in Japan a year before it. To be fair, Genesis was built atop the Master System architecture. framemeister is for HDTVs and only outputs HDMI. If you are indeed using a SDTV, the options are different. Much cheaper and less complex.
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Lum_Yatsura posted...
Kobeskillz posted...noidentity posted...Don't bother with the mod. The genesis is capable of RGB output which you can feed through the framemeister to HDMI. Some model 2 Genesis units don't have RGB output though. Open the unit with a cross-head screwdriver. Is there extra space inside the casing? Yeah I'm using sdtv. It doesn't have component. Only composite and svideo. The svideo looks awesome on everything else I have. Sure it's not component but I'm happy. The snes composite isn't svideo but looks nice too. But the genesis. Oh boy. One thing is poor composite and another thing is down right embarrassing. I mean is bad even for early 90s. No joke my nes rf looks better. lol. So the question is does the genesis have a good svideo and is it worth getting a modded console? I don't want to pay for a modded genesis only to look like crap still. |
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Genesis has rgb outputs, no svideo without modding. But it doesn't necessarily need to be modded.
The rgb video is accessible externally to use or adapt as you please. snes is a bit different. it has better composite than genesis. while at the same time, its video has just enough of a slight blur to make rgb not as sharp as genesis can theoretically get.
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Lum_Yatsura posted...
Genesis has rgb outputs, no svideo without modding. But it doesn't necessarily need to be modded. 10/4 Let's forget about rgb and framemiesters and all that jazz. How's the svideo? Does it look nice or will it look like crap like composite but just a little nicer crap. I understand svideo isn't as nice as component and rgb but again on my other systems like nes and Snes I'm perfectly happy with the sharp picture and is easy to plug into my tv. Does the genesis have a nice svideo picture when modded? |
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I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision.
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noidentity posted...
I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision. I appreciate the help but I don't want to replace my tv just for the genesis. I know that with component I can get a better picture out of my other systems but i have my set up already with my Sony crt using svideo for everything and I'm coo with that. I don't want to change everything. I just wanted to know if a modded genesis for svideo has a good picture or will it still be god awful. Is this just that the genesis has a bad bad composite video or does this extend to svideo as well? I know rgb is great on it but I'm interested in svideo cause that's why my hook ups are for. I don't care if I pay for a modded one. |
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Different revisions of Genesis, as with sound, have varying video quality. Banding is an issue with some, and some are blurrier than others, some sharper, some spottier, etc.
Sega-16, iirc, had some comparisons between both sound and video of the various models of Genesis, as well as mods for S-Video compared to stock composite. S-Video mods tend to sharpen the picture considerably, at the cost of having more lines and dots visible in areas of games where the natural blurring was used for effect (the lights in Streets of Rage 2, waterfalls in the Sonic games). |
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Just for an example, I'll show you what external might look like.
I know this one is in the UK and expensive. https://www.keene.co.uk/keene-rgb-to-s-video-convertor-worldwide-psu.html There are practical benefits to it. 1: more consistent quality between Genesis versions 2: it'll work for both 32X games and Master System games* 3: easy to plug other consoles into. Neo Geo also outputs RGB but not svideo. *normally, SMS games can't be played with a 32X attached. which would mean you'd have to separately svideo mod the Genesis AND the 32X.
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Kobeskillz posted...
For the love of god. I do not want component. I don't want to change my stuff. Certain types of genesis svideo mods are different depending on the model. Installing a discrete encoder chip is an option too. The ntsc model 1 snes is easy. Officially supported svideo, 1st party cables were sold by Nintendo. (pal snes changed the svideo circuit to use different cables. but I'm in the US) snes jr does need a small mod.
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Kobeskillz posted...
noidentity posted...I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision. Um, component is actually a nice signal. Really nice. |
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Kobeskillz posted...
noidentity posted...I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision. Genesis S-Video mods are not as common as SNES S-Video because, at least for the original SNES, all that's needed for the latter is the appropriate cable (no mod necessary). As I stated, look into the Sega-16 boards. They have, iirc, various users with the s-video mod for a plethora of the revisions, and a write-up of how the mod is done for the various revisions. Again, keep in mind that there are revisions for each model, so your model 2 is not the same as other model 2 revisions that are available. |
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Turning up the sharpness on your TV should help make the composite signal look better. I know since that is what I do if I'm stuck with a composite source and it looks much better on my end.
I noticed that older TVs (made in the 80s/90s) don't look blurry with RF and composite signals, but it could be me. I also had a Sega Model 1 if that made a difference. I never had an issue with blurriness, maybe because of the console and TV I had then. I also was using an RF adapter too. |
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spiffyone posted...
Kobeskillz posted...noidentity posted...I would look for a crt with component input, then get some genesis component cables from hd retrovision. Yeah I had my Snes mini modded for svideo and Jesus you can cut glass with the picture. I know this seeems weird. It the composite on my Snes mini looks just as sharp as the svideo on my regular Snes. It's crazy. I'm willing to buy the genesis svideo modded console but just wanted some feedback on the quality. Looks like the crazy revisions make it hard to get a good answer. I'll just get one and roll the dice. As it stands I cannot enjoy my genesis hooked up to composite. Is insane how bad it looks. It honestly looks worst than rf on my nes. How is this even possible. |
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Lum_Yatsura posted...
Snake_Oil posted...Framemeister is a skam! >: P Don't pay him any attention. He's been reposting this troll comment for a couple weeks now. |
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I've always found that Genesis, like NES, benefited from RF. The Genesis has quite a lot of hard edged pixels and the warm hazy blur really makes it less hostile on the eyes, things just blend more and the music benefits from the softer sound as well, considering that the Genesis' sound chip is more gritty and sharp than likely any other console's chip.
Much like the grittier PS1 visuals often look more friendly on a softened RF signal, compared to the N64 which is already naturally smooth and looks better with more clear detail via component or the like and it suffers when subject to RF. |
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manmouse posted...
I've always found that Genesis, like NES, benefited from RF. The Genesis has quite a lot of hard edged pixels and the warm hazy blur really makes it less hostile on the eyes, things just blend more and the music benefits from the softer sound as well, considering that the Genesis' sound chip is more gritty and sharp than likely any other console's chip. It depends on the game. Play Burning Force on a model 1 without TMSS over RGB on a CRT SDTV, then return with your impressions.
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I have genesis games on my Wii and I can play them 240p on my Sony CRT And they look absolutely gorgeous. The Genesis looks great with the proper set up but the Genesis with composite looks as bad as anything ive ever seen.
Now sure I probably got one of the bad revisions but man if I had seen this picture back in the day and compared it to an SNES I would have returned the Genesis in a heartbeat. This picture isn't even acceptable for early 90's. I might just buy more games on my Wii but they don't have Contra and Castlevania which I want but no way will i play it on the puke composite of the Genesis. |
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Lum_Yatsura posted...
manmouse posted...I've always found that Genesis, like NES, benefited from RF. The Genesis has quite a lot of hard edged pixels and the warm hazy blur really makes it less hostile on the eyes, things just blend more and the music benefits from the softer sound as well, considering that the Genesis' sound chip is more gritty and sharp than likely any other console's chip. Why does it matter whether the console has TMSS or not? What does that have to do with video and audio reproduction? |
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