Bellagio_6 posted...
BurgerTime79 posted...
And there goes Maverick Godwin'ing the topic with a completely wrong claim.
Wow. I can't believe I agree with you for once.
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I'm of the belief a game should be reviewed by it's own merits, rather then comparing it to other games, even if it's a direct sequel or port. I remember the harse treatment Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky got from reviewers, even getting lower scores then Explorers of Time/Darkness, despite being a superior versoon, mostly due to it being too much like T/D. I don't disagree with Jim's score, but his logic behind it is pretty silly. Oh, and if the Sony fanboys start putting him on a pedestal like they did when he reviewed BOTW, refer them to Jim's newest video where he calls out Sony and their habit of endorsing and exessive price gouging of terrible and broken Indy games. See if they praise him then.
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Rolfin posted...
kabutokouji posted...
VanderZoo posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
VanderZoo posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
yet he gave MK8D 9/10 despite that being the same as every other mario kart at it's core
how the hell is that fair? you can't just say "yeah this game loses points for just being the same game with a couple new things added" when previously you had praised a game that was just more of the same with a few new things added
The standards for a port and sequel are different.
what was he expecting? for the game to drastically change in the sequel
you are not gonna see a shooter or fighting game overhaul itself to the point where it's not even the same game anymore
Yeah, which is why he gave it a 7, which means it's good.
7 (Good): A 7 represents a favorable slice of entertainment that ought to prove welcome in the right house. Not the most glamorous, polished, or jawdropping, but most definitely good for a chuckle or two.
http://www.thejimquisition.com/review-score-guide/
yeah no, a 7 is awful bad but still has few ppl that could enjoy it, 8 is good, 9 is great, and 10 is flawless. at least by Asia standards, not just my country.
After seeing that link, I took a peak over there and decided to see what Jim's numbers mean... And I actually like his scale the best.
He makes some valid points as to why he uses the scale he uses and how modern rating standards have culled us into thinking a game isn't worth it unless it's at LEAST an 8... Which is fairly stupid
He also makes it a point to have 5 as the "neutral" score, which is where it should be, given that it's the middle number (or fights for middle number spot, technically)
Yeah I like his scoring system as well, it's a lot more balanced.
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DynoStretch posted...
I'm of the belief a game should be reviewed by it's own merits, rather then comparing it to other games, even if it's a direct sequel or port.
I remember the harse treatment Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky got from reviewers, even getting lower scores then Explorers of Time/Darkness, despite being a superior versoon, mostly due to it being too much like T/D.
I don't disagree with Jim's score, but his logic behind it is pretty silly.
Oh, and if the Sony fanboys start putting him on a pedestal like they did when he reviewed BOTW, refer them to Jim's newest video where he calls out Sony and their habit of endorsing and exessive price gouging of terrible and broken Indy games.
He also stated that Sony Fanboys are the worst.
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kabutokouji posted...
Pox posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
give people the choice of what game mode to pick and You'll end up having some modes being completely ignored by the fanbase
Most shooters don't have this problem, so...
yes they do, i have never touched or have any interest in Zombie mode of CoD as well as story, same with battlefield, hate story mode on shooters.
And yet there's plenty of peole that play those modes... NightMareBunny posted...
Pox posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
give people the choice of what game mode to pick and You'll end up having some modes being completely ignored by the fanbase
Most shooters don't have this problem, so...
so every single game mode is populated quite well even the terrible ones? wow what changed
Yes, nothing has changed. Unless there's literally zero people playing a mode, then there will always be people to play against. If there's literally zero people playing then there's something wrong with the game mode. There will always some game modes that are more popular, but that doesn't mean you can't play the less popular ones.
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He gave the original Splatoon an 8 so it only lost a point for having unsatisfying new content And I can't even find an original MK8 review, only his DX one so there's nothing to compare it to. The first sentence of his MK8DX review explains that he barely even played the original: "I regret not spending enough time with Mario Kart 8 when it was a Wii U title, but if getting to experience much of its content for the first time through Mario Kart 8 is to be my penance, I’ve earned myself the best punishment in the world."
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@Bellagio_6 posted...
the_NGW posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
yet he gave MK8D 9/10 despite that being the same as every other mario kart at it's core
how the hell is that fair? you can't just say "yeah this game loses points for just being the same game with a couple new things added" when previously you had praised a game that was just more of the same with a few new things added
Because Mario Kart at its core is good. Splatoon at its core is trash.
Wrong. MK8D is the worst online game I have ever played. There is nothing good about it.
Hell even older Mario Karts were better in that department than Deluxe.
It's safe for me to declare you a shill for Jim Sterling. The MK8D online was pretty fun too. You should try it again.
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_Dog posted...
It's safe for me to declare you a shill for Jim Sterling.
but his opinion is the exact opposite of Jim Sterling's, Jim fucking loves it
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ecylis posted...
_Dog posted...
It's safe for me to declare you a shill for Jim Sterling.
but his opinion is the exact opposite of Jim Sterling's, Jim fucking loves it
Shhhh, let him look like a fool.
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kabutokouji posted...
Rolfin posted...
kabutokouji posted...
VanderZoo posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
VanderZoo posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
yet he gave MK8D 9/10 despite that being the same as every other mario kart at it's core
how the hell is that fair? you can't just say "yeah this game loses points for just being the same game with a couple new things added" when previously you had praised a game that was just more of the same with a few new things added
The standards for a port and sequel are different.
what was he expecting? for the game to drastically change in the sequel
you are not gonna see a shooter or fighting game overhaul itself to the point where it's not even the same game anymore
Yeah, which is why he gave it a 7, which means it's good.
7 (Good): A 7 represents a favorable slice of entertainment that ought to prove welcome in the right house. Not the most glamorous, polished, or jawdropping, but most definitely good for a chuckle or two.
http://www.thejimquisition.com/review-score-guide/
yeah no, a 7 is awful bad but still has few ppl that could enjoy it, 8 is good, 9 is great, and 10 is flawless. at least by Asia standards, not just my country.
After seeing that link, I took a peak over there and decided to see what Jim's numbers mean... And I actually like his scale the best.
He makes some valid points as to why he uses the scale he uses and how modern rating standards have culled us into thinking a game isn't worth it unless it's at LEAST an 8... Which is fairly stupid
He also makes it a point to have 5 as the "neutral" score, which is where it should be, given that it's the middle number (or fights for middle number spot, technically)
so just because he made up numbers he expect the world to go by it? and what is worst is that so many sheeps in gamefaqs follow him and seems like they would go to war for him(go to war behind a computer screen that is)
Just because u use a 4 point scale doesn't mean everyone else does ...
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VanderZoo posted...
Rolfin posted...
After seeing that link, I took a peak over there and decided to see what Jim's numbers mean... And I actually like his scale the best.
He makes some valid points as to why he uses the scale he uses and how modern rating standards have culled us into thinking a game isn't worth it unless it's at LEAST an 8... Which is fairly stupid
He also makes it a point to have 5 as the "neutral" score, which is where it should be, given that it's the middle number (or fights for middle number spot, technically)
Yeah I like his scoring system as well, it's a lot more balanced.
Too bad he doesn't use that scoring system. https://www.destructoid.com/review-kid-icarus-uprising-224073.phtml
Rating: 5/10 - ;Review by Jim Sterling
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And don’t kid yourself – Kid Icarus Uprising was total shite.
He's having his cake and eating it(and he's not using his review scale either) .Basically gets away with it because his e-celeb status has people dismiss scrutiny of him even though he has a wonkier scoring system than IGN.
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arvilino posted...
VanderZoo posted...
Rolfin posted...
After seeing that link, I took a peak over there and decided to see what Jim's numbers mean... And I actually like his scale the best.
He makes some valid points as to why he uses the scale he uses and how modern rating standards have culled us into thinking a game isn't worth it unless it's at LEAST an 8... Which is fairly stupid
He also makes it a point to have 5 as the "neutral" score, which is where it should be, given that it's the middle number (or fights for middle number spot, technically)
Yeah I like his scoring system as well, it's a lot more balanced.
Too bad he doesn't use that scoring system.
https://www.destructoid.com/review-kid-icarus-uprising-224073.phtml
Rating: 5/10 - ;Review by Jim Sterling
http://www.thejimquisition.com/star-fox-zero-review/
And don’t kid yourself – Kid Icarus Uprising was total shite.
He's having his cake and eating it(and he's not using his review scale either) .Basically gets away with it because his e-celeb status has people dismiss scrutiny of him even though he has a wonkier scoring system than IGN.
Chances are he was using the Destructoid scoring system when he was reviewing for Destructoid
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Jim Sterling is about as smart as a log.
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People care because even though he has a ... unique scoring system he goes on metacritic sometimes, like I never BotW. I personally don't care, but somebody do.
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NightMareBunny posted...
yet he gave MK8D 9/10 despite that being the same as every other mario kart at it's core
how the hell is that fair? you can't just say "yeah this game loses points for just being the same game with a couple new things added" when previously you had praised a game that was just more of the same with a few new things added
He's just one regular every day dude with an opinion. He's more of an e-celeb thing so that definitely isn't worth getting your head tied over. His reviews don't always make sense because he needs to go celebrity. Don't let it ruin your day. Some of my most favorite games ever are not the best rated by reviewers. Though i do sometimes use ratings for comparative analysis.
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randomperson2 posted...
Chances are he was using the Destructoid scoring system when he was reviewing for Destructoid
Nah he was using his own scoring system back then too. http://www.original-gamer.com/index.php?action=article&id=1019 (from 2010)
Jim: The way I write reviews might be different than the way other people do it. What I always tell everyone on the staff, and what I tell myself, is write the review first and don’t think about giving it a number until you finish writing the review. We’ve got a 10 point scale and we try to use all 10 points. Every single number has a particular summary next to it. We got 10 for Flawless Victory, as close to perfect as possible, right down to 1 where there’s nothing redeeming whatsoever.
I’ll write the review, read through the review, and then I’ll match the tone of the review with the tone reflected in the score (summary). I wrote the Assassins Creed II review out as honest as I can possibly be, aired all my grievances and everything. Read through it, lined it up with my scores, and said that I’ve written a 4.5 review. It’s mediocre which puts it at 5 but there are these other points that are dragging it down. With the tone of the review, I cannot give it any higher.
The main problem is I doubt the sincerity of his reviews. I don't think he uses his own review scores and it often seems like whenever he has a video lined up about a specific game he just hands out a controversial score and baits people to react negatively to it e.g. the line about how Kid Icarus was total shite(You know despite giving it a 5/10 which is just supposed to be "mediocre") specifically to drive traffic to his videos.
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Could have been worse... Could have been Jimmy Kimble to have done the review........ and then no one would have really cared and just gone out and bought and played the game happily anyways..
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It's not even the same as the original. I've not played the 2nd game yet, but just watching some videos already shows that it clearly brings a lot of new things and changes to the table. The Dualies rolling around is nothing like anything in Splatoon 1. And the already excellent chargers now have some amazing new movement options with the hold-charge thing. I can be more offensive than ever with them (and I already was offensive). Nearly all, if not all of the supers of the weapons are new and quite different to use. Aside from those things, there's still plenty of other stuff. The game has more f***ing changes and additions to the gameplay than CoD got between 2010 and now. There's going to be more new free maps and new weapon types that weren't in the first game as well. I really dunno how people can say that it's the same thing as the original. I was skeptical at first with the initial trailers, but I think you'd have to be pretty blind right now to not notice just how different the sequel is, especially if you've played the sequel.
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arvilino posted...
Too bad he doesn't use that scoring system.
https://www.destructoid.com/review-kid-icarus-uprising-224073.phtml
Rating: 5/10 - ;Review by Jim Sterling
http://www.thejimquisition.com/star-fox-zero-review/
And don’t kid yourself – Kid Icarus Uprising was total shite.
He's having his cake and eating it(and he's not using his review scale either) .Basically gets away with it because his e-celeb status has people dismiss scrutiny of him even though he has a wonkier scoring system than IGN.
You can't judge his review based on one thing he said years later
Kid Icarus: Uprising does a lot of great things. Its lighthearted story full of camp characters, shameless self-references, and constant desire to break the fourth wall is entertaining and often amusing. The sheer wealth of content is impressive, with a full-fledged campaign, multiplayer options, and additional content. There's also a brilliant difficulty adjustment system, allowing you to make precise tweaks to the "intensity" of a level in exchange for more rewards. There's so much to love about Uprising, and that's why it's so distressing that over 50 percent of it is actively unpleasant to play
Kid Icarus: Uprising is equal parts tremendous and terrible
He loved the flying sections, hated the grounded sections. Loved 50%, hated 50%. Thus, 50% score.
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Um how is that not fair? When a sequel feels exactly the same the game loses that "first time" magic. a 7/10 for Splatoon 2 is more than fair.
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ecylis posted...
You can't judge his review based on one thing he said years later
How so? Is his most recent statement about it in a review not his real opinion?
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arvilino posted...
ecylis posted...
You can't judge his review based on one thing he said years later
How so? Is his most recent statement about it in a review not his real opinion?
This might be an absolutely alien concept: but maybe people can change their mind. Maybe especially after years have passed?
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nonexistinghero posted...
It's not even the same as the original. I've not played the 2nd game yet, but just watching some videos already shows that it clearly brings a lot of new things and changes to the table. The Dualies rolling around is nothing like anything in Splatoon 1. And the already excellent chargers now have some amazing new movement options with the hold-charge thing. I can be more offensive than ever with them (and I already was offensive). Nearly all, if not all of the supers of the weapons are new and quite different to use.
Aside from those things, there's still plenty of other stuff. The game has more f***ing changes and additions to the gameplay than CoD got between 2010 and now. There's going to be more new free maps and new weapon types that weren't in the first game as well. I really dunno how people can say that it's the same thing as the original. I was skeptical at first with the initial trailers, but I think you'd have to be pretty blind right now to not notice just how different the sequel is, especially if you've played the sequel.
As much as I adore Splatoon 2 (I own it), almost nothing in this game (aside from new visuals) is so unique and amazing that it couldnt pass for something that could be added to the first game. The dualies? Its one weapon type. One. Sure, theyre immensely fun, but lets not act like thats so much new content. Charger and other weapon changes could easily be introduced via a patch as well. The only thing thats truly new about this game, aside from the visuals, is Salmon Run (and I guess the "new" single player, which is basically more of the same). Rarely are people who say that a sequel feels more like the original "v1.5" so accurate. This does not change the fact that I immensely enjoy the game. Also, lets not bring CoD into the equation here. Jims dislike for that series has resulted in complete and utter apathy regarding to the series as a whole even when the devs pull stunts that would regularly have gotten them a 20 min jimquisition had it been a different game.
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Bellagio_6 posted...
He was far too generous with his BOTW and MK8D scores. Both were sub par sub 5 games at best.
And you are far too pessimistic. 8/10 sounds good to me :P
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ecylis posted...
arvilino posted...
ecylis posted...
You can't judge his review based on one thing he said years later
How so? Is his most recent statement about it in a review not his real opinion?
This might be an absolutely alien concept: but maybe people can change their mind. Maybe especially after years have passed?
From "does a lot of great things" and "half of it is tremendous" to "total shite". Opinions can change somewhat but to renege on his opinion he's either an awful reviewer or doing what he often does and bait reactions.
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Splatoon II is a 9/10 game if it had offline bots. 6/10 without bots!
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kaliskonig posted...
Um how is that not fair? When a sequel feels exactly the same the game loses that "first time" magic. a 7/10 for Splatoon 2 is more than fair.
So a 7/10 for Uncharted 4 would be fair too.
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Jim Sterling gives musou games 8+ ratings. I mean, I actually like some of his rants but he's an awful reviewer.
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S2 only let's you play Salmon run on certain days of the week. And, you can't switch out weapons while waiting for a new game. And, you need a cell phone app for voice chat.
These are some of the dumbest and most baffling design choices I've ever seen in a muliplayer game. A seven seems deserved given the mental aneurysm the devs surely experienced.
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This is the same person that gave Modern Warfare 3 a 9.5/10. He's also quite an ass.
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Probably higher than it deserves, and you're complaining about it?
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Everyone knows he does this crap for attention.
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metroid02 posted...
As much as I adore Splatoon 2 (I own it), almost nothing in this game (aside from new visuals) is so unique and amazing that it couldnt pass for something that could be added to the first game.
The dualies? Its one weapon type. One. Sure, theyre immensely fun, but lets not act like thats so much new content.
Charger and other weapon changes could easily be introduced via a patch as well.
The only thing thats truly new about this game, aside from the visuals, is Salmon Run (and I guess the "new" single player, which is basically more of the same). Rarely are people who say that a sequel feels more like the original "v1.5" so accurate. This does not change the fact that I immensely enjoy the game.
Also, lets not bring CoD into the equation here. Jims dislike for that series has resulted in complete and utter apathy regarding to the series as a whole even when the devs pull stunts that would regularly have gotten them a 20 min jimquisition had it been a different game.
Fact of the matter is that Splatoon adds and changes a lot more than even most game franchises these days. The base gameplay is the same, but if it wasn't they might as well have made a different franchise. Splatoon 1 has very good gameplay, there was no need to completely throw it around and they added and changed about as much as they could afford for a sequel, without abandoning what the first game was. And I might as well bring up the MK8D example. It might be a port, but this 'Deluxe' version adds less content than most remasters of games that include all of the previous DLC, yet it sells for full price. Yet he didn't complain about that not adding enough to the original and gave it a good score. I've also played A LOT and I meant A LOOOOT of games that are true .5's of the previous games. They have new stages, but at best just offer minor tweaks in the gameplay. In fact, most major franchises are guilty of this. Let reviewers complain more about those releases instead of games that actually do add and change a significant amount. And no, those things couldn't have been added through a patch easily. The game was balanced with the abilities it had, they'd have to completely overhaul the engine and have rebalanced all of the weapons in order to do that. There's not a single game out there that has made that many changes in a patch.
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I love Jim's videos, He's one of the best on Youtube IMO, but he gives bad review scores to Nintendo games for attention.
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A 7 is fine. I was sure he'd give it a 4 or 5 just to be an edge lord.
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One is an enhanced port. The other is a sequel. One is SUPPOSED to be the same thing as the original. The other is not. This is not even remotely close to being a double standard.
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it was pretty hilarious how rattled the fanboys got about the zelda score, I wonder if this will have the same effect. And if it bothers you that much well...#priorities
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Did you watch his review? He said he really likes the game. You must be the kind of people who only look at review scores and never bother to read the review. This is just his opinion and I'm sure you have unpopular opinions about other games as well.
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7/10 is a good score. Have a good day everyone!
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DavCube posted...
One is an enhanced port. The other is a sequel. One is SUPPOSED to be the same thing as the original. The other is not.
This is not even remotely close to being a double standard.
Street Fighter has at it's core always been a fighting game between two characters duking it out sure future installment might change the engine slightly and add more characters but it's still the same game in the end does that mean Street Fighter 4 was just an enhanced port of Street Fighter II? does that mean every single call of duty was an enhanced port of the previous one? you make it sound like a sequel for a multiplayer game is suppose to reinvent the gameplay and throw everything you knew about it out the window this is only the second splatoon game it's far too early to reinvent the wheel and make the game something unrecognizable from the first game
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NightMareBunny posted...
DavCube posted...
One is an enhanced port. The other is a sequel. One is SUPPOSED to be the same thing as the original. The other is not.
This is not even remotely close to being a double standard.
Street Fighter has at it's core always been a fighting game between two characters duking it out
sure future installment might change the engine slightly and add more characters but it's still the same game in the end
does that mean Street Fighter 4 was just an enhanced port of Street Fighter II?
does that mean every single call of duty was an enhanced port of the previous one?
you make it sound like a sequel for a multiplayer game is suppose to reinvent the gameplay and throw everything you knew about it out the window
this is only the second splatoon game it's far too early to reinvent the wheel and make the game something unrecognizable from the first game
no, to be a real sequel it needs to have a create your own house and raise a pet modes, and also a menu based combat thrown in there for maximum fun.
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