You guys with your super systems just dont know. Try running kingpin on a pentium 2. If it hit 25 you were so happy, then small areas where your at 30, heaven. That game was a hell of a simulation back then.
Games like doom, strife, dink smallwood, rise of the triad ran nice and smooth.
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My brothers never settled for that kind of FPS even in 99 (they would build computers and game and hand me down them). They used Voodoo 2 cards in SLI 8mb versions and never had any trouble running any of their games until the early/mid 2000's. I remember playing UT99 on their PC and Doom and having it run so much better than my dads old laptop from the mid 90's which I used for DOS gaming if I couldn't go into their rooms. I understand kingpin needs 16MB of Vram but games still ran fine without it. Look at this forum from 2003 talking about it. https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/which-would-be-better-rage-128-or-voodoo-3.1028336/
According to some users 15 years ago, the voodoo 3 spanked the ATI rage 128 16mb which leads to me believe the voodoo 2 cards in SLI had great longevity for the time and matched it in similar performance. Back then SLI didn't need specific drivers though, it just split the load and had both cards rendering the scene simultaneously. Good old days when a CD-Key was all you needed.
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Meanwhile 60FPS was a universal standard for console gaming up until the 5th generation.
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Tiger handhelds had the worst frame rates. N64/ps1 era was real rough on frame rate overall.
We have higher standards now and that's how it should be.
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I had windows 95 in elementary school. Lol check out these advanced graphics.
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I had windows 95 in elementary school. Lol check out these advanced graphics. I had this in school.
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Back in my day we just had text on a screen. lol this. DOS. |
oblique365 posted...
You guys with your super systems just dont know. Try running kingpin on a pentium 2. If it hit 25 you were so happy, then small areas where your at 30, heaven. That game was a hell of a simulation back then. consoles games back in the good old-day's used to normally play at 60FPS, why are you aiming for less?
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Digital Storm posted...Back in my day we just had text on a screen. Not only DOS. The games themselves had no graphics for a while. Text adventures that managed to be fun and games like Ultima, where the "graphics" were just made of text characters.
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I recall trying out the Crysis demo. on my 2002 single core Pentium 4, with a 256MB 7900GS. Slide show performance. Wasn't all that long ago!
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gtomanga posted...
oblique365 posted...You guys with your super systems just dont know. Try running kingpin on a pentium 2. If it hit 25 you were so happy, then small areas where your at 30, heaven. That game was a hell of a simulation back then. That's because they didn't have so many effects going on at once and weren't overloaded with so much on screen action compared to today. How strange...Comparing basic 2d platformers to large worlds and action packed games with lots of things happening at once...ok....Technology is a funny old game isn't it.... |
SinisterSlay posted...
It's ok, consoles were running 5 to 15 fps during the same era. So pc was still better. Remember the port of Doom for the Sega Saturn? Sadly, I remember...
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psicomaniaco posted...
Back in my days, we had to type commands into a parser to command our characters. Command prompt but for video games! I don't miss working with Windows in Command Prompt or the few games my brothers would let me play as a "joke" because I couldn't read or type the characters to progress. Gotta love brothers.
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psicomaniaco posted...
Back in my days, we had to type commands into a parser to command our characters. I tried a few text input (or text input with added images) adventures for the Spectrum and Amstrad CPC back in the day, but I never liked that type of game much. They were very popular, though. The World of Spectrum archive alone has 2217 text adventure images available to be played on emulators. Level 9 adventures were reckoned to be the best available back then. Then there was Infocom, but I never got to try any of their stuff. |
LazyyAmerican posted...
A score of years ago I paid 500 for a gtx 980 and got the top tier single card. Those were the days. I remember ten months or so ago when I got a 1080ti for $750... Those were the days.
...Dude, you're a ****ing douche. Get off my god damn internets.
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MarceloSampaio posted...
TheFeshPince posted...Digital Storm posted...show hidden quote(s) Yes! I played a text RPG for years that I don't remember the name of, but that was the best. Does anyone know what it was called? It was basically a D&D type game where you could go in to the forest or town. You get beat with an ugly stick occasionally and lose charisma. |
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PCs were pure shit back then lol, thankfully PCs are by far the best now since the PS3 era anyways. Spoken like somebody who started PC gaming last week. A decent gaming PC back then was well beyond what consoles at the time could do, but 3D graphics/hardware were still in their nascent stages, and 25-30 FPS with filtered textures etc. was a big improvement over what came before.
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Meanwhile 60FPS was a universal standard for console gaming up until the 5th generation. For 2D games maybe, but no, it was anything but standard for 3D. With rare exceptions like fighters, the vast majority of 3D games on PS1/Saturn etc. ran at a max of 30 FPS - Ocarina of Time, often regarded as one of the best games of all time, ran at 20 FPS on N64.
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Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...
30fps used to be the standard back when I first posted on this board Up until maybe the early 2000's, unless you had a ludicrously expensive PC, getting around 30 FPS with a 3D accelerator was pretty standard.
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I had this in school. I remember playing Oregon Trail on Apple II computers, but that was in the early 90's, and our elementary had a computer lab with newer Performa/PowerMacs (or whatever they were called) and then a whole bunch of Apple IIs near the library. I have distinct memories of playing Oregon Trail and Number Munchers. We used the newer Macs if we needed to type reports etc.
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LazyyAmerican posted...
A score of years ago I paid 500 for a gtx 980 and got the top tier single card. Those were the days. Yes, it used to be that GPUs topped out at $500/600, and those were the top-tier "Ultra models", prices have slowly crept up without relative performance increases (compared to the rest of the range that is).
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For 2D games maybe, but no, it was anything but standard for 3D. With rare exceptions like fighters, the vast majority of 3D games on PS1/Saturn etc. ran at a max of 30 FPS - Ocarina of Time, often regarded as one of the best games of all time, ran at 20 FPS on N64. Like I said, up until the 5th generation.
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pokedude900 posted...
JKatarn posted...For 2D games maybe, but no, it was anything but standard for 3D. With rare exceptions like fighters, the vast majority of 3D games on PS1/Saturn etc. ran at a max of 30 FPS - Ocarina of Time, often regarded as one of the best games of all time, ran at 20 FPS on N64. Anything before Nintendo was considered first generation. |
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gtomanga posted...oblique365 posted...show hidden quote(s) So, in other words, standards of performance have dropped on the mainstream side of things because excuses.
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MASKOAAA posted...Anything before Nintendo was considered first generation.
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BaldursGate posted...TimePharaoh posted...
It's 2018. I don't care
Just pointing out the 3 users here that are likely children or teens and jelly lol
Does anyone remember playing Planetside 1? My brother and I used to play it on a Pentium 2 and 3 respectively. We had GPUs in them due to super kind parents. I also remember dropping to slideshow speeds (I think less than 5 FPS in some cases lol) in large battles.
It was fucking epic seeing a bunch of tanks lined up and being part of the cavalry...land or sky. The lag fest once the combat started was also hilarious.
We both started gaming with DOS and NES but I don't recall anything being as bad as Planetside lolI like to go really fast
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https://imgur.com/a/OSjTLOnLienhart posted...Just pointing out the 3 users here that are likely children or teens and jelly lol
Guess again. I grew up with Nintendo's classics, starting from SMB, and I did my fair share of "shit, my pc can't run it, gotta find workarounds" but this all "the old days were better because we had to put a lot more effort to get worse results" schtick is incredibly lame.You have absolutely no right to complain about a decision you decided to support with your money. Be smart and vote with your wallets!Darth_Kamcio posted...Lienhart posted...
Just pointing out the 3 users here that are likely children or teens and jelly lol
Guess again. I grew up with Nintendo's classics, starting from SMB, and I did my fair share of "shit, my pc can't run it, gotta find workarounds" but this all "the old days were better because we had to put a lot more effort to get worse results" schtick is incredibly lame.
Really? Then why are you so insecure?
This thread seems more like a bunch of ppl talking about the old days and how hilariously bad shit was but we still had fun with it. It'd be asinine to say things were better back then.
There's clearly some projection going on.I like to go really fast
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Just pointing out the 3 users here that are likely children or teens and jelly lol
Guess again. I grew up with Nintendo's classics, starting from SMB, and I did my fair share of "shit, my pc can't run it, gotta find workarounds" but this all "the old days were better because we had to put a lot more effort to get worse results" schtick is incredibly lame.
To be fair PCs operations weren't as streamlined as today. Can't get your sound blaster to process game audio correctly? Time to ask friends and other pc gamers what to do and wait days on end because reinstalling drivers is not working. There's merit to actually knowing how to work on a PC back in the early 90s. Most don't even know how to setup slave and master and think the terms is referencing the 1800s.FX 8300 4.4|Asus ROG STRIX 570 1475/2100|Freesync 5760x1080|16gb Ram|240 SSD + 1TB HDD|Asus Xonar U3|Seasonic Focus+ Platinum 750W.
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Guess again. I grew up with Nintendo's classics, starting from SMB, and I did my fair share of "shit, my pc can't run it, gotta find workarounds" but this all "the old days were better because we had to put a lot more effort to get worse results" schtick is incredibly lame.
To be fair PCs operations weren't as streamlined as today. Can't get your sound blaster to process game audio correctly? Time to ask friends and other pc gamers what to do and wait days on end because reinstalling drivers is not working. There's merit to actually knowing how to work on a PC back in the early 90s. Most don't even know how to setup slave and master and think the terms is referencing the 1800s.
+1
I picked up a lot of debugging skills that translated straight into my career as a developer from ridiculously obtuse things we had to deal with from the early 90s to late 00s. I'd argue that it wasn't until Windows Vista where things became more user friendly.
I work with people who have a PhD in some kind of engineering...and don't know to kill a process in Task Manager when it refuses to launch (M$ Office applications still do this lol)I like to go really fast
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To be fair PCs operations weren't as streamlined as today. Can't get your sound blaster to process game audio correctly? Time to ask friends and other pc gamers what to do and wait days on end because reinstalling drivers is not working. There's merit to actually knowing how to work on a PC back in the early 90s. Most don't even know how to setup slave and master and think the terms is referencing the 1800s.
+1
I picked up a lot of debugging skills that translated straight into my career as a developer from ridiculously obtuse things we had to deal with from the early 90s to late 00s. I'd argue that it wasn't until Windows Vista where things became more user friendly.
I work with people who have a PhD in some kind of engineering...and don't know to kill a process in Task Manager when it refuses to launch (M$ Office applications still do this lol)
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Newer PC gamers literally have no idea. "Why are there so many videos on cable management and case modding, my case didn't need any of that". "I've never modded the side of a case and installed a fan before". The things people do nowadays are so streamlined for them they don't even know.
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Guess again. I grew up with Nintendo's classics, starting from SMB, and I did my fair share of "shit, my pc can't run it, gotta find workarounds" but this all "the old days were better because we had to put a lot more effort to get worse results" schtick is incredibly lame.
Really? Then why are you so insecure?
This thread seems more like a bunch of ppl talking about the old days and how hilariously bad shit was but we still had fun with it. It'd be asinine to say things were better back then.
There's clearly some projection going on.
Insecure? It's you who are projecting here, it seems.You have absolutely no right to complain about a decision you decided to support with your money. Be smart and vote with your wallets!I gotta say, I'm enjoying reading what was PC gaming like back in the days. Sadly for me, I was born in 85, I didn't discover PC gaming until Crysis arrived and yeah, I started my PC gaming from their.
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Games like doom, strife, dink smallwood, rise of the triad ran nice and smooth.
You youngins with your 25fps had the good life. Back in my day we had whatever fps this was.
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So what were first-person-shooters like on PC before Half-Life came and change everything?
Was born in 87. I guess my parents were more kind lol
I used to play Wolfenstein and Doom (DOS) with my brother. I'd use the arrow keys to move, and he'd use the CTRL key to fire. There was no mouse movement back then. I also recall Mech Warrior 2 and begging my father for a joy stick.
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..........I could've swore it looked great. My imagination must've filled in the rest lmaoI like to go really fast
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So what were first-person-shooters like on PC before Half-Life came and change everything?
1993 Doom is much more enjoyable than Half Life!
Now I can take a trip down Memory Lane..........
I didn't get a 'proper' PC till 2003. My first two gaming computers were a Sinclair Spectrum (1984) and an Amstrad CPC 464 (1985). They both used tape cassettes for games/storage, and it typically took about three minutes to load a game into memory. The Spectrum was tiny, and it had a rubber keyboard
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which wasn't very good. I did buy a 'proper' keyboard for it, which enveloped the entire computer, but it soon conked out. It only had 48K of RAM, and the sound consisted of a BEEP command. To use a joystick with it I had to buy an interface which plugged into the back of the computer. Despite their limitations those old computers were well supported and a great deal of fun. Wouldn't want to use hardware like that now, though. Emulation.Lienhart posted...DaBlackGamer posted...
I gotta say, I'm enjoying reading what was PC gaming like back in the days. Sadly for me, I was born in 85, I didn't discover PC gaming until Crysis arrived and yeah, I started my PC gaming from their.
So what were first-person-shooters like on PC before Half-Life came and change everything?
Was born in 87. I guess my parents were more kind lol
I used to play Wolfenstein and Doom (DOS) with my brother. I'd use the arrow keys to move, and he'd use the CTRL key to fire. There was no mouse movement back then. I also recall Mech Warrior 2 and begging my father for a joy stick.
https://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/m/mechwarrior-2-31st-century-combat-34i/mechwarrior-2-31st-century-combat_4.png
..........I could've swore it looked great. My imagination must've filled in the rest lmao
Doom gave me nightmares as a kid (to this day that's never happened to me in any game but Doom). I wasn't the only one, I seriously could not play that game before bed because I would have dreams of being in that game and it was some shit(imagine being a kid that's being chased by demons who shoot at you and fireballs, skulls, and lava are everywhere lmao). The good old days of playing 1P games by one person attacking and another moving. I did this from DOS, emulation, and all the way into World of Warcraft. Those were the days. Mechwarrior 2 was ugly to me personally because I was used to play Arcade games as well like Cruisin USA and I was biased towards 2D games that were defined well like TMNT Arcade and X-Men in contrast to Mech Warrior's blocky Textures.. but I enjoyed it because it reminded me of Gundam Wing for super nintendo and using robots to destroy things as a kid is fucking cool.FX 8300 4.4|Asus ROG STRIX 570 1475/2100|Freesync 5760x1080|16gb Ram|240 SSD + 1TB HDD|Asus Xonar U3|Seasonic Focus+ Platinum 750W.
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Was born in 87. I guess my parents were more kind lol
I used to play Wolfenstein and Doom (DOS) with my brother. I'd use the arrow keys to move, and he'd use the CTRL key to fire. There was no mouse movement back then. I also recall Mech Warrior 2 and begging my father for a joy stick.
https://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/m/mechwarrior-2-31st-century-combat-34i/mechwarrior-2-31st-century-combat_4.png
..........I could've swore it looked great. My imagination must've filled in the rest lmao
Doom gave me nightmares as a kid (to this day that's never happened to me in any game but Doom). I wasn't the only one, I seriously could not play that game before bed because I would have dreams of being in that game and it was some shit(imagine being a kid that's being chased by demons who shoot at you and fireballs, skulls, and lava are everywhere lmao). The good old days of playing 1P games by one person attacking and another moving. I did this from DOS, emulation, and all the way into World of Warcraft. Those were the days. Mechwarrior 2 was ugly to me personally because I was used to play Arcade games as well like Cruisin USA and I was biased towards 2D games that were defined well like TMNT Arcade and X-Men in contrast to Mech Warrior's blocky Textures.. but I enjoyed it because it reminded me of Gundam Wing for super nintendo and using robots to destroy things as a kid is fucking cool.
OMFG; I forgot about Gundam Wing: Endelss Duel!
Also, I recall a similar experience with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitemare_3D as opposed to Doom lol
The sounds in FPS were definitely scary; I also recall The Butcher in D1 causing everyone I knew, including me, to shit their pants.I like to go really fast
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Doom gave me nightmares as a kid (to this day that's never happened to me in any game but Doom). I wasn't the only one, I seriously could not play that game before bed because I would have dreams of being in that game and it was some shit(imagine being a kid that's being chased by demons who shoot at you and fireballs, skulls, and lava are everywhere lmao). The good old days of playing 1P games by one person attacking and another moving. I did this from DOS, emulation, and all the way into World of Warcraft. Those were the days. Mechwarrior 2 was ugly to me personally because I was used to play Arcade games as well like Cruisin USA and I was biased towards 2D games that were defined well like TMNT Arcade and X-Men in contrast to Mech Warrior's blocky Textures.. but I enjoyed it because it reminded me of Gundam Wing for super nintendo and using robots to destroy things as a kid is fucking cool.
OMFG; I forgot about Gundam Wing: Endelss Duel!
Also, I recall a similar experience with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitemare_3D as opposed to Doom lol
The sounds in FPS were definitely scary; I also recall The Butcher in D1 causing everyone I knew, including me, to shit their pants.
Watched 2 seconds of it, I understand why you had "nitemares". That art style in combination with a horror theme scares the living shit out of me. I enjoy horror movies, paranormal stuff, torture VR, and things like that but this is a different level lmao. There's fucking statues on your screen that look scary as all shit. This game would of given me nightmares EZ mode before bed. Video I watched had a guy get swarmed by zombies, floating eyeballs, and bats in a room where he sees a window that shows how pitch black it is outside(emphasis he is truly alone). Organs going, spider webs everywhere, screams, monsters screaming, depressing restart music, and the classic DOS sound effects. The guy who made this game was definitely a baby boomers kid. I do enjoy the art style so much though, the way fire burns in DOS is so soothing. It's like a nostalgia trip.FX 8300 4.4|Asus ROG STRIX 570 1475/2100|Freesync 5760x1080|16gb Ram|240 SSD + 1TB HDD|Asus Xonar U3|Seasonic Focus+ Platinum 750W.
https://imgur.com/a/OSjTLOnDaBlackGamer posted...So what were first-person-shooters like on PC before Half-Life came and change everything?
In my opinion, better.
FPS games were about shooting anything that moves and finding items/keys/whatever in labyrinths until you found the exit and did all over again. After a while, you had to fight a boss that was more than just a QTE or something like that.
The story was just a way to complement the game, and stuff like running around a lab for 30 minutes without doing anything didn't happen.
Don't get me wring, I don't HATE the FPS games we have now. But the gameplay of the older games was just great. FPS games nowdays seem to focus too much on the narrative. Companies want you to run from point-A to point-B now while you 'enjoy' the storyline. The idea of getting lost in levels is almost gone now.
To change the subject, a little factoid: Doom (a 1993 game) ran at 35 FPS even on weaker 486's. Wolfenstein 3D (1992) ran at 70 FPS. Interesting, huh?When EA dares to ask for your opinion on their service, do this:
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