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In the weeks leading up to Ultimate i had been playing each game in the series with friends on my days off pretty much non stop.
During this time i had realized that Melee is probably my least favorite game in the series i still had fun playing it but it just felt clunkier then i remembered it and it was pretty disappointing. and after playing Ultimate Melee just feels kinda sluggish to me. I was pretty big into the Melee community up until like 2011 where i would play the game all the time with friends. Also i would go to tournaments at a local game store that would do a tournament every so often just because the owner was a smash fanatic although they eventually started using Brawl for these tournament and on a side note unfortunately the store closed in 2015. Regardless i still enjoy Melee but i would pick playing any other Smash game before i would pick Melee. So how do you all feel about Melee now after all the years that have gone by and all the sequels that have come and gone.
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I think Melee is overhyped, personally. It was definitely a step up from 64, but I liked the rosters from the later games more. The only things I really didn't like about Brawl was the slow speed and tripping, which is the only thing I think Melee has a leg up on as far as that goes. Smash 4 was definitely my favorite and the one I spent the most time with since Melee.
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It was a huge part of my childhood and I have a ton of nostalgia for the game. It set the standard for the Smash franchise going forward and was a key factor in making me a lifelong diehard Nintendo fan. I owe that game so much. All of the above also applies to Brawl, which in its heyday I enjoyed much more than Melee. Of course, Brawl was outdone by Smash 4, which has been totally outdone by Ultimate. Melee is an awesome game that I have a ton of respect and nostalgia for when I look back on it, but I have to look back to see it because I left it behind me a long time ago.
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I still adore Melee. It was the first Smash game I owned (I did play 64 at a friend's house), Mewtwo was in it, I loved the different modes (Adventure Mode was fun and I loved Event Matches), and I really liked the Trophy Lottery and Home Run Contest.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to play it in years because the disc is scratched.
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In 2018? It's actually a solid title. I do really enjoy the gameplay.
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I tried playing again a few months back, in anticipation for Ultimate. The gameplay nowadays felt... stiff. It’s hard to explain. It’s like it’s harder to move or do smash attacks than it is in later games. I also realized I was taking the ability to turn off “press up to jump” for granted, as my attempts to do up tilts were failing spectacularly.
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It's a fantastic followup to the original, boasting twice as many characters, more stages, and vastly expanded single player modes. It was the perfect sequel for it's time, and I still love the competitive edge the game has. Nearly 20 years later, the game still has oceanic levels of technical depth, and you can always continue to grow and improve. I wish certain characters had been balanced a little bit better, but even still, one could still do a lot worse than 12-13 viable characters out of 26.
While I can appreciate Brawl's ambition, roster, and single player content, it's overly floaty gameplay, tripping, and abysmal character balance (even by the standards of this series) really killed my interest in continuing to play it outside of modded versions. 4 and Ultimate are both solid games IMO, however. I would love to see Nintendo come out with an HD re-release of Melee with online play or even a future Smash game with Melee's physics and mechanics. Realistically, I'm not holding my breath for that to happen anytime soon though. Thank goodness for Project M.
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Still and always will be the best smash in terms of gameplay(I would give this to PM but obviously PM is not a official game)
Was outshined by brawl and continues to be outshined with each smash moving forward in basically everything else.
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It has the red shell which is pretty cool, and I like target test
but everything else has been done better by now. The adventure mode kinda sucks, Ultimate has the best classic mode, most the stages are boring,and the roster is pretty bad It was a good game at the time, but now it is horribly obsolete
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Has the most competitive depth, has precise and endless movement and options, and mechanics that are limitless and have unlimited amount of nuance. It has the most room for experimentation and creativity for the players. It has the deepest edge guarding, and it's lacking linearity in just about anyway, I think it's over-all the best Smash game over-all, especially since EVEN as a casual game, it's fantastic.
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I loved Melee but I think it’s only aged well if you still use all the advanced techniques. If you’re not deep into the wavedashing, l-canceling, shffling, etc, it will just feel old now.
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The "sharpest in the series" as Sakurai called it. Agreed. Even more strange how some of those "exploits" like run canceling and ledge dashing returned in Ultimate. I honestly think if Sakurai didn't advertise the return of run canceling for Ulimate at E3 people would proably call Ultimate a "broken buggy exploitable piece of shit". Also people say Melee's "super glitchy" but it seems like they're only talking about wave dashing and pretend like wave dashing is 5 billion different glitches or something, which is hilarious because wave dashing isn't a glitch, it's literally the natural result of the physics engine and directional air dodging. The lag was low as well so you could use it in succession. Literally every other Melee tech like L-Cancels and run canceling, and even crouch canceling (crouch canceling was ALSO in Brawl and Smash 64 IIRC) was advertised and recommended by Sakurai himself multiple times. Also, why does it even matter if something's "unintentional" if it's fun and adds to the game? The result and mechanic is exactly the same, regardless if it's intentional or not, so why is it a big deal? Reminder that combos and juggling in fighting games were unintentional and a "bug", yet it was revolutionary for the genre. |
Full of unneeded "advanced techniques" that were "absolutely left in intentionally unfixed" and a community that refuses to move on, even claiming that their game is the PINNACLE of competitive gaming. Talk about self centered.
Game itself is fine but worse than Ultimate. It's also boring to watch. After 12 years, I'm so glad to finally move on permanently. Fuck that game, fuck old TVs, and fuck that community. ALSO FUCK JIGGS!
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Played it recently on my modded Wii U and it’s pretty difficult to get into.
Adventure mode on normal with Link kicked my ass. However when I played more, I started to get better.
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It was actually pretty good at the Time of release
My All time favorite moment during that era was me having a match against my Math teacher in class during school hours around our lunch break
But now it's just another game I occasionally played even if I considered it Overrated because of it's stiff gameplay and when look at the single player with a currently mature mind Adventure mode sucked ass
I did like the Events more specifically no. 37
Other than that I haven't played Melee in awhile this year probably gonna do it next month for a marathon of matches, Don't know yetXxBHunterxX posted...DanaDee posted...
Melee is broken as all heccc
Ultimate is basically melee but without all of the unbalanced bugs and glitches
though i will admit that the stadium was good in melee
What are the glitches? Playing casually I’ve never really found any
Every Smash game has glitches...and people are hyperbole about "Melee's glitchiness", especially since Brawl is way more glitchy.
People act like wave dashing is 5 billion different glitches, and don't realize 80% of Melee's techs outside of that has appeared at least once in another Smash game (I.E. 64 and Ultimate.), and was advertised and recommended by Sakurai on his official blog.
I think it's weird that people act like wave dashing is a "five hundred cancerous terrible glitches", but other things like pivots, perfect pivots, fox trots, wall techs, and other techs don't count as "cancerous terrible glitches", it's just poorly rationalized salt.
People also don't realize that it doesn't even matter if things are unintended if adds to the depth and options and fun of the game, it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, if the effect is exactly the same. Run canceling was actually a Melee tech, yet people act like it's "a new super cool addition" to Ultimate, shouldn't it be considered a "cancerous glitch", since it's a tech and it's from Melee?
Hell combos and juggling in fighting games were a big accident, yet it revolutionized the genre.
It's kind of funny because what do they define as glitches?
I've heard many people treat wave dashing as a glitch...but how though? It's literally a natural result of the physics engine and how directional air dodging works...you can use it in succession because the lag was low.
They also claim wave dashing is an "exploit" and "pro players abuse it to be dickheads"...like fucking what? It's a pretty easy input and it doesn't fucking turn you into superman or something...there are many players that are predictable and scrubby as fuck, yet they can wave dash...and also if it's so "broken", then why don't these scrubs use it back? It's a pretty damned easy input.
...the REAL challenge in wave dashing is the nuances of it, and when to use it intelligently...but how is that an exploit or abusive? That's like saying teching or spot-dodging is abusive and an exploit because players use it well.
Do people not know what abusive or what an exploit means? How can something be an exploit when it literally requires knowledge, creativity, and experience to integrate it optimally in your gameplay? Not to mention, there's actually a lot of possibilities and layers it adds to the gameplay, calling it an exploit or glitch makes no sense. By that logic, L-Cancelling, and the Ultimate's return of run cancelling should be an "exploit" and "abusive", right?After playing Brawl for a while I tried playing a bit of Melee when some friends were playing it. I immediately remembered that I hated playing as at least half the roster in that game. Most of the characters just feel way too heavy or clunky to be fun.
It's still a significant game for the series for how much it added after the first game, but I can't see myself going back to it for more than a moment.GhoullyX posted...This topic is just a magnet for SilentDarkway to come shill Melee and attack anyone in a passive aggressive way when they think it's not the best game ever.
That's ironic considering everyone including you are attacking everyone who likes or prefers Melee in a passive aggressive way...
not even shilling Melee, breaking down stupid misconceptions that just enforce more evil and community splitting.It's hilarious that people love to brag how "Melee-like" Ultimate is, yet simultaneously claim Melee is "objectively shit and inferior" and "get out the past, Melee players"...and it gets even more ironic, when Ultimate isn't even like Melee at all, yet Nu-Smash fans STILL brag about how Melee-like it is. They also tell Melee fans to "get out of the past", yet they beg for another Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Ocarina of Time, and play games that are actually older than Melee, and they just deem them "objectively superior" and some of their favorite games of all time. I seriously don't get some of these Smash 4 kids. They hate on us for being "elitist", but in reality they're actually being the ultimate hypocritical elitist. They're being the same exact thing they're hating on.SilentDarkway posted...It's hilarious that people love to brag how "Melee-like" Ultimate is, yet simultaneously claim Melee is "objectively shit and inferior" and "get out the past, Melee players"...and it gets even more ironic, when Ultimate isn't even like Melee at all, yet Nu-Smash fans STILL brag about how Melee-like it is. They also tell Melee fans to "get out of the past", yet they beg for another Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Ocarina of Time, and play games that are actually older than Melee, and they just deem them "objectively superior" and some of their favorite games of all time. I seriously don't get some of these Smash 4 kids. They hate on us for being "elitist", but in reality they're actually being the ultimate hypocritical elitist. They're being the same exact thing they're hating on.
Why put in the time to learn matchups, tech, etc when it's so much easier to complain about elitists and "glitches" on gamefaqs? I like Smash 4 and Ultimate, but the bickering between their fans and Melee players has gotten way out of control. When one gazes into the abyss long enough, the abyss begins to gaze back.Word to your mother.shroom_ninja_X posted...SilentDarkway posted...
It's hilarious that people love to brag how "Melee-like" Ultimate is, yet simultaneously claim Melee is "objectively shit and inferior" and "get out the past, Melee players"...and it gets even more ironic, when Ultimate isn't even like Melee at all, yet Nu-Smash fans STILL brag about how Melee-like it is. They also tell Melee fans to "get out of the past", yet they beg for another Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Ocarina of Time, and play games that are actually older than Melee, and they just deem them "objectively superior" and some of their favorite games of all time. I seriously don't get some of these Smash 4 kids. They hate on us for being "elitist", but in reality they're actually being the ultimate hypocritical elitist. They're being the same exact thing they're hating on.
Why put in the time to learn matchups, tech, etc when it's so much easier to complain about elitists and "glitches" on gamefaqs? I like Smash 4 and Ultimate, but the bickering between their fans and Melee players has gotten way out of control. When one gazes into the abyss long enough, the abyss begins to gaze back.
Honestly if Melee's so "old news" than what's the point of complaining about it? Doesn't that make it relevant enough for you (collective you, of course.) to complain about it and technically make it not "stuck in the past"? It's literally a paradox and counter-productive to their illogical point they're trying to make.SilentDarkway posted...shroom_ninja_X posted...
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Why put in the time to learn matchups, tech, etc when it's so much easier to complain about elitists and "glitches" on gamefaqs? I like Smash 4 and Ultimate, but the bickering between their fans and Melee players has gotten way out of control. When one gazes into the abyss long enough, the abyss begins to gaze back.
Honestly if Melee's so "old news" than what's the point of complaining about it? Doesn't that make it relevant enough for you (collective you, of course.) to complain about it and technically make it not "stuck in the past"? It's literally a paradox and counter-productive to their illogical point they're trying to make.
Some arguments aren't worth trying to make sense of logically. (Keyword: SOME.) When a person hard-wires themselves a certain way emotionally, no amount of logic is going to sway them. It's not always what a person says or does... it's the way you make them feel. Once you start to realize stuff like that, it's much easier to separarate the valid, understandable points from the kneejerk reactions and bait posts that aren't even worth responding to half of the time.Word to your mother.The_Undying_84 posted...It's still the best because Brawl, 4, and Ultimate all refuse to follow basic fucking logic and have the concept of momentum exist.
Found another stinkyposter.If I need to restore my Darkness Power... I'll need the powerful of a Smash Ball! Then... the world will be mine!Nah, Undying actually has a point (what a shock!) in this instance. Smash is in part a platformer, and momentum from ground speed carrying into jumps is commonplace among platformers. The game the series is based on, Kirby Super Star, does this.
It's not "teh worstest evar" not to have but I would like for this to return.PKM GO FC: 0313 - 5115 - 0094SilentDarkway posted...It's hilarious that people love to brag how "Melee-like" Ultimate is, yet simultaneously claim Melee is "objectively shit and inferior" and "get out the past, Melee players"...and it gets even more ironic, when Ultimate isn't even like Melee at all, yet Nu-Smash fans STILL brag about how Melee-like it is. They also tell Melee fans to "get out of the past", yet they beg for another Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Ocarina of Time, and play games that are actually older than Melee, and they just deem them "objectively superior" and some of their favorite games of all time. I seriously don't get some of these Smash 4 kids. They hate on us for being "elitist", but in reality they're actually being the ultimate hypocritical elitist. They're being the same exact thing they're hating on.
Once again your exaggerating over an minority opinion 🤦🤦🤦🤦I love Melee. It’s still my favorite Smash and will always hold a special place to me.
But it’s hard to go back to it after playing Ultimate and all it has to offer. I look at Melee as one of the greatest gaming times of my life, but it’s in the past and I’ve moved on.
I ain’t gotta shit on it, nor will I sit here and say that I’d rather play it than Ultimate.I Commentate Super Smash Bros. Ultimate CPU Matches:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yDt2FbPTPgYoungThugger posted...I love Melee. It’s still my favorite Smash and will always hold a special place to me.
But it’s hard to go back to it after playing Ultimate and all it has to offer. I look at Melee as one of the greatest gaming times of my life, but it’s in the past and I’ve moved on.
I ain’t gotta shit on it, nor will I sit here and say that I’d rather play it than Ultimate.
That's pretty fair.wolfxslash posted...SilentDarkway posted...
It's hilarious that people love to brag how "Melee-like" Ultimate is, yet simultaneously claim Melee is "objectively shit and inferior" and "get out the past, Melee players"...and it gets even more ironic, when Ultimate isn't even like Melee at all, yet Nu-Smash fans STILL brag about how Melee-like it is. They also tell Melee fans to "get out of the past", yet they beg for another Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Ocarina of Time, and play games that are actually older than Melee, and they just deem them "objectively superior" and some of their favorite games of all time. I seriously don't get some of these Smash 4 kids. They hate on us for being "elitist", but in reality they're actually being the ultimate hypocritical elitist. They're being the same exact thing they're hating on.
Once again your exaggerating over an minority opinion 🤦🤦🤦🤦
It's everywhere, Facebook, Reddit, GameFaqs...etc...
it might not be the majority, but it's big enough to be significant.Melee is fun and still worth the time to play. The only reason I don't play Melee a lot is 'cause of Project M, which is basically Melee evolved.
Unofficial mods aside, there are still plenty of reasons to get back into Melee, the gameplay being the most obvious reason. It's the most unique in the series.FFBE Global - ID: 439759934; Official Nyx of the Brave Exvius board
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Once again your exaggerating over an minority opinion 🤦🤦🤦🤦
It's everywhere, Facebook, Reddit, GameFaqs...etc...
it might not be the majority, but it's big enough to be significant.
I like see this"example" your sprouting 😑😑😑- Boards
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