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SAO Writer apologizes to adaptation seiyuus for latest SAO episode

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Logience 17 hours ago#1
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-12-11/reki-kawahara-apologizes-to-voice-actors-for-latest-sword-art-online-episode/.140635

Also, more interestingly, Kawahara states that the reason he writes so many rape/torture scenes is because of simple derivativity. 

I’m still more inclined to believe he wants to spark fear in the audience that their waifus may potentially lose their virginity, and thus all value they have as fap material.
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FortePlus 17 hours ago#2
Not every day you see someone admit they're a complete hack
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User_94 17 hours ago#3
He should just admit he has a NTR fetish instead.
Dracoknight2006 17 hours ago#4
Reki best hack since Rob Liefeld. 

I respect his backbone.
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tremain07 15 hours ago#5
Yeah, he can blow it out his ass, I still remember that bullshit apology over having so many girls fall in love with Kirito despite him having a girlfriend already and the fucker still continued giving him more girls anyway. Apologizes don't mean a goddamn thing when you just keep doing the thing you're apologizing for.
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Sasukefire 15 hours ago#6
FortePlus posted...
Not every day you see someone admit they're a complete hack
But know this, I wrap my rascal TWO times, cause I like it to be joyless and without sensation... as a way of punishing supermodels.
Setsunahenry 15 hours ago#7
I feel sorry for Kaori Ishihara doing this kind of voice acting. 

I blame both the writer and the staffs of A1-Production.
thedarklordx3 14 hours ago#8
tremain07 posted...
Yeah, he can blow it out his ass, I still remember that bullshit apology over having so many girls fall in love with Kirito despite him having a girlfriend already and the fucker still continued giving him more girls anyway. Apologizes don't mean a goddamn thing when you just keep doing the thing you're apologizing for.


I dunno what you're all worked up over lmao. There's nothing wrong with that

Setsunahenry posted...
I feel sorry for Kaori Ishihara doing this kind of voice acting. 

I blame both the writer and the staffs of A1-Production.


You feel sorry for her for voluntarily doing something for money? I don't lol.
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Dracoknight2006 14 hours ago#9
Reki knows what he is and is kinda worthy of respect. People's fake outrage over harems, deus ex machina, or corny villains ain't worth paying attention to, especially if so many shows commit similar sins to Sword Art Online.

Not saying SAO is good, but I'm just staring through hypocrisy.
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YoyokuKO 14 hours ago#10
why cant he just write bad guys killing animals. 
does araki have patents on that?
GiftedACIII 13 hours ago#11
lol the comments on that article "why does everyone and their grandpa have to be pedos in banana fish"
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FortePlus 13 hours ago#12
Dracoknight2006 posted...
Not saying SAO is good, but I'm just staring through hypocrisy.

LMFAO
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LightningAce11 13 hours ago#13
Shouldn't have apologized.

They should be thanking him for having the opportunity to voice characters in such an emotionally charged scene.
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Deadinsideman 13 hours ago#14
GiftedACIII posted...
lol the comments on that article "why does everyone and their grandpa have to be pedos in banana fish"

Not caught up with banana fish but I'm noticing a pattern where half the episodes have to have at least one scene of
>gay ugly rapist shows up
>gets beaten up by Ash
>SASUGA ASHUU
FortePlus posted...
Dracoknight2006 posted...
Not saying SAO is good, but I'm just staring through hypocrisy.

LMFAO


I'm right though.
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FortePlus 12 hours ago#16
Sure. Whatever you say kid.

psh
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UltimateDandy 9 hours ago#17
LightningAce11 posted...
Shouldn't have apologized.

They should be thanking him for having the opportunity to voice characters in such an emotionally charged scene.
Sasukefire posted...
FortePlus posted...
Not every day you see someone admit they're a complete hack
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Altair718 8 hours ago#19
Deadinsideman posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
lol the comments on that article "why does everyone and their grandpa have to be pedos in banana fish"

Not caught up with banana fish but I'm noticing a pattern where half the episodes have to have at least one scene of
>gay ugly rapist shows up
>gets beaten up by Ash
>SASUGA ASHUU

Congrats, you've caught up.
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tonicpalin 7 hours ago#20
Will berserk apologize for boat arc?
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Noraneko_Vel 7 hours ago#21
The directing, animation, and voice acting in the anime are too powerful, which has absolutely boosted the impact [of the scenes]


lolwhat? 
It was half rape half comedy. Whoever is responsible for it should get fired.

I couldn't take the episode seriously at all.
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Logience 6 hours ago#22
Altair718 posted...
Deadinsideman posted...
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Not caught up with banana fish but I'm noticing a pattern where half the episodes have to have at least one scene of
>gay ugly rapist shows up
>gets beaten up by Ash
>SASUGA ASHUU

Congrats, you've caught up.

You should’ve seen the comments for Season 2. There was a guy both denying that Shinkawa was looking like he was trying to rape Asada, while also stating that rape is a legitimate form of fanservice, and how dare people guilt-trip him for enjoying it.
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MEGAze 6 hours ago#23
Logience posted...
Also, more interestingly, Kawahara states that the reason he writes so many rape/torture scenes is because of simple derivativity.

What does this mean?
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reptyle101 6 hours ago#24
it means he's just copying what he saw in other series, without thinking about whether it actually fits or not

he's admitting to being a hack essentially
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MEGAze 5 hours ago#26
reptyle101 posted...
it means he's just copying what he saw in other series, without thinking about whether it actually fits or not

he's admitting to being a hack essentially

Ah. No argument there then.
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Altair718 5 hours ago#27
Logience posted...
Altair718 posted...
Deadinsideman posted...
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Congrats, you've caught up.

You should’ve seen the comments for Season 2. There was a guy both denying that Shinkawa was looking like he was trying to rape Asada, while also stating that rape is a legitimate form of fanservice, and how dare people guilt-trip him for enjoying it.

That's 

That's some next level stuff right there.
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Logience 5 hours ago#28
Altair718 posted...
Logience posted...
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You should’ve seen the comments for Season 2. There was a guy both denying that Shinkawa was looking like he was trying to rape Asada, while also stating that rape is a legitimate form of fanservice, and how dare people guilt-trip him for enjoying it.

That's 

That's some next level stuff right there.

Maybe you should just see for yourself:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2881191&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
Also, taking into consideration the purpose of such scenes beyond creating dramatic tension could help reconcile their use. Believe it or not, these are fan-service scenes. You can object to the content, but you can't deny their purpose or disparage the people who enjoy them.

I'm going to be brutally honest with you. Some guys (and even girls) like seeing females in compromised positions. It's not only to create dramatic tension, it's fan-service. It's a rape fantasy. (Emphasis on fantasy.)
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Keno316 5 hours ago#29
I guess some devils were indeed triggered.
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HCE 3 hours ago#30
Dracoknight2006 posted...
Reki best hack since Rob Liefeld. 

I respect his backbone.

You mean hackbone(r).
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HCE posted...
Dracoknight2006 posted...
Reki best hack since Rob Liefeld. 

I respect his backbone.

You mean hackbone(r).


That too. Good pun.
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Logience 2 hours ago#32
Oh, by the way, I just realized that “fanservice” can probably be deemed a subgenre. If a show’s actions, plot turns or writing/directing style exist for no purpose other than to please horny readers, then it’s probably a fanservice show.
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Logience posted...
Oh, by the way, I just realized that “fanservice” can probably be deemed a subgenre. If a show’s actions, plot turns or writing/directing style exist for no purpose other than to please horny readers, then it’s probably a fanservice show.


And there's nothing wrong with that.
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Logience 2 hours ago#34
Dracoknight2006 posted...
Logience posted...
Oh, by the way, I just realized that “fanservice” can probably be deemed a subgenre. If a show’s actions, plot turns or writing/directing style exist for no purpose other than to please horny readers, then it’s probably a fanservice show.


And there's nothing wrong with that.

There is if you’re expecting or hoping for more than that. It’s why a lot of people end up turning on Kill la Kill, for example.
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thedarklordx3 2 hours ago#35
Logience posted...
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And there's nothing wrong with that.

There is if you’re expecting or hoping for more than that. It’s why a lot of people end up turning on Kill la Kill, for example.


Anyone who watched kill la kill and somehow came to the conclusion that fanservice is the whole show, needs brain surgery tbh.

It was funny as hell and had great action and animation.
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Logience 2 hours ago#36
thedarklordx3 posted...
Logience posted...
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There is if you’re expecting or hoping for more than that. It’s why a lot of people end up turning on Kill la Kill, for example.


Anyone who watched kill la kill and somehow came to the conclusion that fanservice is the whole show, needs brain surgery.

But...it is. I’m using fanservice in the “things that get audiences instantly gratified” sense, not just the “showing girls’s tits and asses” sense. And in that sense, nonstop action and crazy animation style easily fits that bill.
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thedarklordx3 2 hours ago#37
Logience posted...
thedarklordx3 posted...
Logience posted...
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Anyone who watched kill la kill and somehow came to the conclusion that fanservice is the whole show, needs brain surgery.

But...it is. I’m using fanservice in the “things that get audiences instantly gratified” sense, not just the “showing girls’s tits and asses” sense. And in that sense, nonstop action and crazy animation style easily fits that bill.


What does that even mean?
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FortePlus 2 hours ago#38
It means exactly what it says. Fanservice is about audience gratification. That is what the term means. Normies just like using it as shorthand for titties and nothing else when it comes to anime.
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thedarklordx3 2 hours ago#39
FortePlus posted...
It means exactly what it says. Fanservice is about audience gratification. That is what the term means. Normies just like using it as shorthand for titties and nothing else when it comes to anime.


The thing that's weird for me is that the context he's using it in suggests that it's still a pejorative but broader than just ass and tits, like being a fanservice show is still a bad thing.

And yet the definition y'all are giving is so... Broad. 

It's like criticizing a soft drink for focusing on tasting good instead of providing vitamins and amino acids.
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Logience 1 hour ago#40
thedarklordx3 posted...
FortePlus posted...
It means exactly what it says. Fanservice is about audience gratification. That is what the term means. Normies just like using it as shorthand for titties and nothing else when it comes to anime.


The thing that's weird for me is that the context he's using it in suggests that it's still a pejorative but broader than just ass and tits, like being a fanservice show is still a bad thing.

And yet the definition y'all are giving is so... Broad. 

It's like criticizing a soft drink for focusing on tasting good instead of providing vitamins and amino acids.

Well, it is kinda pejorative, yeah. Nothing wrong when a show is literally just audience-pleasing. When I want watch porn, I enjoy it cause it’s porn. I’m not expecting anything else. There’s just an issue with how SAO and Kill la Kill tend to sometimes promise, or get people hoping for it, to be more than just fanservice, and how people can end up snake-bit when it doesn’t follow through.
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Logience 1 hour ago#42
Dracoknight2006 posted...
Not everything needs to be deep. Being pretentious is worse than being shallow.

Ow the edge
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HCE 1 hour ago#43
Fetishization of shallow or simplistic things for being unpretentious is its own form of pretension.
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FortePlus 1 hour ago#44
Enough of anything will get boring and tedious to deal with on its own. Doing things solely for audience pop is bad.

When you provide fanservice it's supposed to be in some sort of moderation. You don't remember every single thing that files out in front of you and if it's a never ending stream of things and stuff you're less likely to remember any of it. 

thedarklordx3 posted...
It's like criticizing a soft drink for focusing on tasting good instead of providing vitamins and amino acids.

Treating it like junk food is exactly the problem, and you're not supposed to consume endless amounts of junk food anyways. It's bad for you and enough of it at once will make you sick.

All the fanservice or tits and ass shows you liked weren't just made of things that you thought were sweet and good.
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CobaltBlitz 1 hour ago#45
I remember when I liked fanservice

it was awful
FortePlus 1 hour ago#46
HCE posted...
Fetishization of shallow or simplistic things for being unpretentious is its own form of pretension.

There's a line between "live and let live" and "zero standards" that I don't think people get and it leads to thoughts like "it's okay as long as I'm having fun with it".
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Logience posted...
Dracoknight2006 posted...
Not everything needs to be deep. Being pretentious is worse than being shallow.

Ow the edge


I dunno man, some series really can't handle depth at all. Like Gantz. Or Ghost in the Shell past 2005.
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FortePlus posted...
HCE posted...
Fetishization of shallow or simplistic things for being unpretentious is its own form of pretension.

There's a line between "live and let live" and "zero standards" that I don't think people get and it leads to thoughts like "it's okay as long as I'm having fun with it".


Still feels like letting people bend your standards, telling you what to like is worse than having no standards at all. 

Then again I'm not the type who watches anime for depth/DC cartoons in their heyday gave me the "depth" I wanted.
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FedEx_Corp 1 hour ago#49
Wait...I thought this series was PG.

They actually put in a rape scene?
In my opinion as long as the things you enjoy outweigh the things that bothered you in an anime, you shouldn't be asking for more than that. That's all I need to call something good

I do not see a meaningful seperation between "I enjoyed what they were going for" and "this was good" (if i would say something is bad but i enjoyed it, i did not enjoy what they were going for, i laughed at their inadvertent farce or something like that. Like when Mr. Plinkett pointed out the last jedi is essentially a comedy of errors)

As for the anime mentioned, i never thought SAO or KLK would give me any deeper meanings. I enjoyed their plots and felt for the characters and emotional moments, but i never went into it expecting psycho-pass or welcome to the NHK.

All kill la kill had to do was tell me a compelling story with engaging characters and exciting action, sprinkle in some good music and animation, sexy girls, great designs and novelty (the sexiness of the designs, the nudist gag, all that shit is plot relevant, that was the fucking best part lmfao) as the cherry on top and we have a 9/10 anime.
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    HCE 1 hour ago#51
    FortePlus posted...
    There's a line between "live and let live" and "zero standards" that I don't think people get and it leads to thoughts like "it's okay as long as I'm having fun with it".

    There's a distinction between being able to have fun with garbage and thinking it's not garbage cuz you had fun, yeah.
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    FortePlus 1 hour ago#52
    thedarklordx3 posted...
    I do not see a meaningful seperation between "I enjoyed what they were going for" and "this was good"

    That's probably why you don't understand why something being saturated with audience pandering makes it bad and at some points unwatchable.

    Enjoying something that's just done competently enough to please you is fine if you like it that way, but it's the furthest thing from virtuous or free-spirited.
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    Meganium7 1 hour ago#53
    there are still people around who think shit la shit was good

    what a sad world
    Kill la Kill seemed like a competent show minus Ryuko's existential crisis and that one guy who beat her in episode 7 being a red herring due to Trigger forgetting him.
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    tremain07 1 hour ago#55
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    FortePlus posted...
    thedarklordx3 posted...
    I do not see a meaningful seperation between "I enjoyed what they were going for" and "this was good"

    That's probably why you don't understand why something being saturated with audience pandering makes it bad and at some points unwatchable.

    Enjoying something that's just done competently enough to please you is fine if you like it that way, but it's the furthest thing from virtuous or free-spirited.


    I mean I'm not gonna call kill la kill an untouchable masterpiece or anything

    But I'm not gonna say that being an entertaining show with great memorable action and story and animation is deserving of anything less than praise either.

    To me, that's like giving a game a 5/10 because even though it's 50 hours of fun gameplay, the graphics aren't cutting edge and the story won't make you cry
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    I would not go so far as to call it pretentious to not care about entertainment/fun/action and instead be far more interested in depth, philosophy, being made to think, lessons and applicability, etc.

    I would however scratch my head if i went on the black ops 4 board and saw people criticizing the game for lacking the depth of Bioshock or Spec Ops: the line.

    So I have no idea why anyone went into KLK or SAO looking for that stuff, Search for genres like mystery and thriller or something.

    @Logience
    I hear bunny girl senpai is entirely an abstract metaphor for the challenges of life or something like that
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    FortePlus 1 hour ago#58
    If the graphics are bad and the story is bad and they're both necessary parts of the game then I'm probably not playing 50 hours of that game in the first place, no matter how fun it might be.

    People have hundreds of hours of fun with Sonic 2006. I'm not allowed to call that the trash it is, according to that flimsy logic, because people can have hours of fun with the ""gameplay"".
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    goodJT 1 hour ago#59
    Dracoknight2006 posted...
    Not everything needs to be deep. Being pretentious is worse than being shallow.

    Careful, that's sharp.
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    thedarklordx3 44 minutes ago#60
    FortePlus posted...
    If the graphics are bad and the story is bad and they're both necessary parts of the game then I'm probably not playing 50 hours of that game in the first place, no matter how fun it might be.


    This has actually been a really enlightening conversation for me. I thank you kind sir, and we can agree to disagree. Different strokes and all that. We won't see eye to eye.

    For a lot of years i wondered why certain companies would hire people with such disdain for the game part of video games ("I wish I could skip the gameplay because i don't like playing video games" - quote from bioware writer), i wondered why everyone wastes time trying to max out graphics instead of doing something useful with the extra power of a new console (more enemies? Complex AI? )

    And now i find out that the answer is that people who would say "who cares how fun a game is if it doesn't have good graphics and story?" exist.
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    FortePlus 37 minutes ago#61
    thedarklordx3 posted...
    "who cares how fun a game is if it doesn't have good graphics and story?"

    FortePlus posted...
    If the graphics are bad and the story is bad and they're both necessary parts of the game

    Really.
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    thedarklordx3 19 minutes ago#62
    FortePlus posted...
    I'm probably not playing 50 hours of that game in the first place, no matter how fun it might be.


    You said you would not play 50 hours of a game no matter how fun it is. If it didn't have good graphics and story.

    It could be your wording that messed up there but it reads like you were trying to say graphics and story > gameplay.

    The only time I'd ever put anything above the gameplay is if the graphics are so bad that the game is just hard to play/enjoy or the terrible story forces your attention (unskippable hour long cutscenes)

    Not to say i don't enjoy good graphics and story, i definitely do.
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    HCE 14 minutes ago#63
    thedarklordx3 posted...
    And now i find out that the answer is that people who would say "who cares how fun a game is if it doesn't have good graphics and story?" exist.

    He's not saying fun doesn't matter, just that fun shouldn't be conflated with overall quality. Dopthu is another matter as well.
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    FortePlus 2 minutes ago#64
    "good graphics" means something that isn't an eyesore. If I'm playing Sonic 3 I'm not expecting Phantom Pain graphical quality and Dolby 7.1 surround sound. 

    "story" means something that doesn't get in the way of everything else and is something I can get into no matter how ""simplistic"" it might be or otherwise.

    I didn't mess up any of my wording, I was very specific in how I put together that sentence in order to avoid speaking in absolutes, only for you to take it as an absolute anyways, making it a complete waste of time on my part.

    A game especially in this day and age is about more than hitting buttons, otherwise I could just go play Minecraft and delete the rest of my Steam library because it has consistent, ""fun"" """"gameplay"""".

    If I have to put """fun""" like this from now on I will, because a game with shit aesthetics isn't """fun""" in any sense of the word, it's a complete pain to slog through and if it's a story driven game and the story is boring slop, I'm not going to go back to it. I won't enjoy playing as the characters, I won't enjoy the dialogue, I won't enjoy anything about the game and at that point all it is is hitting buttons with some avatar you're completely disconnected with and don't care about, at which point there is no actual reason for me to want to play this particular game when there most certainly are others like it with different volumes of story to gameplay.

    Maybe for you whatever cool function characters have is the draw. For me it's about cool characters who happen to have cool functions.
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