Like every other game thats repped in Smash has one character per game and Awakening has 3. And don't tell me "itz cuz it saved da franchize", had FE7 not been successful FE would never have even stayed in the west, where is Hector, Lyn or Nergal? Or my boi Canas :D
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cuz it saved da franchize
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Because it’s one of the best selling FE games of all time?
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1.) Two out of three of them only exist because of ease. Lucina only exists because of them adjusting some alt costumes late in development, and Chromonly exists because they slapped his final smash model onto Roy and called it a day. 2.) It is genuinely popular. More popular than over half the series.
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Because it's the most popular game in the franchise. Ocarina of Time is probably still the most popular Zelda and it basically has three characters too (Young Link, Sheik, and Ganondorf).
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TrashPandaJedi posted...
cuz it saved da franchize
honestly based on Awakening and the games that came after I think it would have been better off with a dignified death.
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(Topic Creator)8 hours ago#8
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Because it's the most popular game in the franchise. Ocarina of Time is probably still the most popular Zelda and it basically has three characters too (Young Link, Sheik, and Ganondorf).
not a really good example considering the previous game had 3 reps from Twilight Princess(if costume design suddenly counts)
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Scorpion122178 posted...
TrashPandaJedi posted...
cuz it saved da franchize
honestly based on Awakening and the games that came after I think it would have been better off with a dignified death.
I thought Awakening was genuinely a good game. The whole point of the romance part was for customizing and recruiting the more powerful children, similar to breeding in Pokemon. It adds good depth. The precedent it set for future games and the direction the fans took the series however (the whole waifu thing) is a whole other matter.
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cuz it saved da franchize
It saved the franchise by adding waifu simulator
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honestly based on Awakening and the games that came after I think it would have been better off with a dignified death.
I thought Awakening was genuinely a good game. The whole point of the romance part was for customizing and recruiting the more powerful children, similar to breeding in Pokemon. It adds good depth.
The precedent it set for future games and the direction the fans took the series however (the whole waifu thing) is a whole other matter.
the children are genuinely the worst characters in that game, literally only Lucina is good out of them. And even outside the dumb dating sim mechanic that ruined the prospect for alot of the cool niche character designs the game itself is just painfully boring and easy/frustratingly hard depending on the mode you play it. I tried to give it another shot recently wondering if I was being too hard on it since I only played it once previously and beat it. And nope, its as boring as I remember. Say what you want about the blood contract in the Radiant games but at least the story was interesting and the characters likable. Chrom manages to be the most generic lord in a series flooded with generic lords.
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Scorpion122178 posted...
HylianLikely posted...
Because it's the most popular game in the franchise. Ocarina of Time is probably still the most popular Zelda and it basically has three characters too (Young Link, Sheik, and Ganondorf).
not a really good example considering the previous game had 3 reps from Twilight Princess(if costume design suddenly counts)
I think it just reflects popularity in general. Twilight Princess was the new game when Brawl came out and Smash 4 probably chose not to change that because fans didn't like Skyward Sword as much. Maybe it's not the best example though as Ultimate didn't change Zelda to BotW Zelda.
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(Topic Creator)7 hours ago#13
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Because it’s one of the best selling FE games of all time?
I look forward to Sanaki in a wedding dress as future DLC going by your metric.
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Because Chrom, the main character of the game, got shafted in favor of Robin (wouldn't be the first time either, as Robin did that a lot in Awakening's lategame). Robin was unique though, so they let that slide. Chrom got a lot of fan demand, so he was added late as a clone. Lucina was going to be an alt for Marth, but there was extra development time to turn her into a clone in Smash 4 as well.
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I thought Awakening was genuinely a good game. The whole point of the romance part was for customizing and recruiting the more powerful children, similar to breeding in Pokemon. It adds good depth.
The precedent it set for future games and the direction the fans took the series however (the whole waifu thing) is a whole other matter.
the children are genuinely the worst characters in that game, literally only Lucina is good out of them.
And even outside the dumb dating sim mechanic that ruined the prospect for alot of the cool niche character designs the game itself is just painfully boring and easy/frustratingly hard depending on the mode you play it.
I tried to give it another shot recently wondering if I was being too hard on it since I only played it once previously and beat it. And nope, its as boring as I remember. Say what you want about the blood contract in the Radiant games but at least the story was interesting and the characters likable. Chrom manages to be the most generic lord in a series flooded with generic lords.
Stat-wise I thought the children were more powerful, especially Morgan. I didn't care about the romances myself, just the specific stats and abilities the children inherited. To each their own I guess. I thought Chrom was a pretty good lord, not better than Ike but better than Marth in Shadow Dragon and definitely better than Roy. I thought the difficulty was fine on hard but the game does let you grind if you find it overbearing. Much better than say Radiant Dawn's difficulty spikes. The story was alright, I'd rank it somewhere in the upper middle for the series. Anyways, what I'm trying to get at here is I believe that Awakening gets more hate for the way it changed the series. Fates was awful and I've seen a direct correlation between its release and the Awakening hate.
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Its because they had a chrom base model lying around and they wanted to use it. Plus The Main characters of Echoes Alm/Celica are nothing like past FE characters and would have to get a whole new playstyle each.
Sakurai simply went with the path of least resistance.
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cuz it saved da franchize
It saved the franchise by adding waifu simulator
I wonder if Waifu Wars would have saved Advance Wars any.
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Y'know, it seems like a lot of people who complain about Awakening being a "waifu simulator" tend to forget Support Coversations was a thing. The difference in Awakening is that S-supports have playable kids. Since Awakening was supposed to be the last FE before its runaway success, IS was literally cramming everything from past FE games, including the parent / child system from Genealogy of the Holy War. The difference is the parents in FE4 die in the first half, leaving the children as your units in the second half. It's fine in Awakening, but shoehorning it into Fates was stupid. Anyway, Awakening is probably so popular because it embodies the FE series as a whole. The map design kinda sucks, its plot is okayish, but the characters and gameplay are great. Chrom and Lucina both being included still baffles me... yes, yes, I know... low effort echoes.
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konokonohamaru posted...
TrashPandaJedi posted...
cuz it saved da franchize
It saved the franchise by adding waifu simulator
Which you can ignore, but sure, feel like it's forced down your throat while it's totally optional.
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It saved the franchise by adding waifu simulator
I wonder if Waifu Wars would have saved Advance Wars any.
I feel like waifus would have been super easy to shove into Advance Wars. All you would have to do is add a bunch of cute girl COs
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the children are genuinely the worst characters in that game, literally only Lucina is good out of them.
And even outside the dumb dating sim mechanic that ruined the prospect for alot of the cool niche character designs the game itself is just painfully boring and easy/frustratingly hard depending on the mode you play it.
I tried to give it another shot recently wondering if I was being too hard on it since I only played it once previously and beat it. And nope, its as boring as I remember. Say what you want about the blood contract in the Radiant games but at least the story was interesting and the characters likable. Chrom manages to be the most generic lord in a series flooded with generic lords.
Stat-wise I thought the children were more powerful, especially Morgan. I didn't care about the romances myself, just the specific stats and abilities the children inherited.
To each their own I guess. I thought Chrom was a pretty good lord, not better than Ike but better than Marth in Shadow Dragon and definitely better than Roy. I thought the difficulty was fine on hard but the game does let you grind if you find it overbearing. Much better than say Radiant Dawn's difficulty spikes. The story was alright, I'd rank it somewhere in the upper middle for the series.
Anyways, what I'm trying to get at here is I believe that Awakening gets more hate for the way it changed the series. Fates was awful and I've seen a direct correlation between its release and the Awakening hate.
The kids come all extremely under leveled and relatively late game since you have to get past a certain point in the story AND support them 3 times with others meaning you have to use their parents. And if you say "just grind a little" then sure, but you can grind for any character, hell you can get second seals in the game and change the class and cap the stats of any character. Good characters are character that don't need to be grinded or babied to make good. I haven't played Marths game but Roy is legitimately a better character. A lot of his development is about how he's a 15 year old with all this just thrusted upon him. In a lot of his supports he even goes on to confess that the stress of trying to keep everyone alive makes him depressed. He's more complex than people give credit for. And no I hated Awakening way before Fates came out(which I haven't played). Hopefully three houses is much better. But I think its just going to be another waifu simulator.
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Circumstances. Lucina was planned to be an alt costume for Marth back in 4 that got promoted to playable late in development alongside Dr. Mario and Dark Pit. Chrom, meanwhile, was the punching bag of Robin's reveal trailer and ended up becoming a meme and decently requested during the ballot and also got in as a rather straightforward clone in Ultimate. Winturwulf posted...
Y'know, it seems like a lot of people who complain about Awakening being a "waifu simulator" tend to forget Support Coversations was a thing. The difference in Awakening is that S-supports have playable kids.
Since Awakening was supposed to be the last FE before its runaway success, IS was literally cramming everything from past FE games, including the parent / child system from Genealogy of the Holy War. The difference is the parents in FE4 die in the first half, leaving the children as your units in the second half. It's fine in Awakening, but shoehorning it into Fates was stupid.
Anyway, Awakening is probably so popular because it embodies the FE series as a whole. The map design kinda sucks, its plot is okayish, but the characters and gameplay are great.
Chrom and Lucina both being included still baffles me... yes, yes, I know... low effort echoes.
What's extra ironic is that the series 25th anniversary book revealed that the "lead game designer"/Kaga himself wanted the 2nd gen in FE4 due to the rise of otome games and the breeding aspects of competitive horse racing.
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2 of them was when it was the current (and very popular) entry. 1 of those new and the other a clone, which was reasonable. Since Awakening had 3 leads, it put Chrom in a weird situation as the odd man out so he was requested and became a clone. If it had been Lyn and clone Eliwood, Hector would get requested for being the odd man out more than than the requests he has currently with none of those 3 in. Also a sort of situation like Marvel vs Capcom 3 and the Fantastic Four. They wanted to use some but not all, so they instead had Super Skrull with the group's powers. If it was just Human Torch and Mr. Fantastic, fans would demand the other 2 but not care as much when none of them are in.
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And don't tell me "itz cuz it saved da franchize"
But that's exactly what happened
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Adding waifus only made the game better. The more waifus, the more lewd content. Also, probably not a factor in general, but its DLC was fantastic. I loved every map (even if some are bs or boring like the lava ones with the Anas).
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Adding waifus only made the game better. The more waifus, the more lewd content.
Also, probably not a factor in general, but its DLC was fantastic. I loved every map (even if some are bs or boring like the lava ones with the Anas).
they didn't "add waifu's" fire emblem always had those because people will waifu anything. They just indulged in some unhealthy level of wish fulfillment by making your avatar able to marry and fuck any of the women(including the loli dragon thats a loli dressed like a stripper)
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Hell yeah, now that's content. (except maybe Nowi/Nah). That said, if I didn't know Fire Emblem by now, and saw how much content (in characters) is getting in Ultimate, I would have gotten the game due to the character designs. Cordelia or Olivia best waifus. Plus, maybe FE always had waifus, but at least they try to go one step towards lewdness now. Naturally they won't go all the way, but that's what some fans do anyway so we have lewd in game and out of the game.
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Hell yeah, now that's content. (except maybe Nowi/Nah).
That said, if I didn't know Fire Emblem by now, and saw how much content (in characters) is getting in Ultimate, I would have gotten the game due to the character designs. Cordelia or Olivia best waifus. Plus, maybe FE always had waifus, but at least they try to go one step towards lewdness now. Naturally they won't go all the way, but that's what some fans do anyway so we have lewd in game and out of the game.
On the contrary the fact that they're trying so hard to be lewd is what ruins the waifu appeal. There is plenty of rule 34 on the internet for Lyn or who ever. But what made their characters good was that they generally developed with out romance. Some had paired ending or flirting, romance in their A supports but in the main story that stuff never came up, which is as it should have stayed.
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Most popular game in the franchise combined with two of them being echoes. Lucina was lucky to get into smash 4 and wasn't cut because 'everyone is here' and Chrom I suspect was largely included because of how the Robin trailer handled him in smash 4.
If they started adding Tharja and Walhart or something then I'd agree, but with 2/3 of those being echoes, I don't mind.
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We’ve only had 1 new addition come Ultimate. Hate swordies(with the exception of Ike) but there’s no reason to omit any of them. The problem is Smash 4 which added Girl Marth, Robin, and footbait dragon. Robin is the only one of those 3 that should have got in, Lucina is literally a Marth for noobs and Corrin is cancer incarnate with stupid multi hit smash moves, THE PIN, easy projectile spam, and an obnoxious huge counter.
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Im still mad FE7 is so underrepresented, but Awakening is the closest I got to how much I loved FE7, so that's cool. It's a good game.
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Scorpion122178 posted...
Hopefully three houses is much better. But I think its just going to be another waifu simulator.
And I hope that does happen.
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Only bad thing is how underrepresented Fates is. No big milky wyvern mommy. Hell, Corrin's feet are hardly shown off, either. Disgusting, Sakurai.
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Well, might be a problem for you (the lewding). Not for me, that's for sure. I want my lewd characters. Then again, that might just be me, and it's a problem for everyone else. And yeah, hopefully we get to see lewd Edelgard in game, if not, oh well.
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Scorpion122178 posted...
Hopefully three houses is much better. But I think its just going to be another waifu simulator.
And I hope that does happen.
Looking at the shift in art direction, I'm hoping they'll be toning that aspect of the game down.
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Couldn't agree more. I would have preferred someone from Gaiden/Shadow of Valentia or even The Sacred Stones. But no, they gave us the most boring Lord as the only FE newcomer.
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SMT: Persona became popular by becoming a waifu simulator, too, let's not forget this
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Because it re awakened the franchise... unfortunately.
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SMT: Persona became popular by becoming a waifu simulator, too, let's not forget this
You make anything into a waifu simulator and it'll sell like hotcakes!.
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Awakening is a good game. But is it three characters good? Hell no.
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I haven't played Marths game but Roy is legitimately a better character. A lot of his development is about how he's a 15 year old with all this just thrusted upon him. In a lot of his supports he even goes on to confess that the stress of trying to keep everyone alive makes him depressed. He's more complex than people give credit for.
That sound fantastic! ... To bad that Roy is so worthless for the majority of his game that trying to keep him alive long enough to see any of his characterization is like trying to go through a brick wall by banging your head against it. Like, I don't recall any character being super impressive in FE6, but even then, Roy still stood out for how awful he was. Not only has this turned me off from ever finishing FE 6, but I'm worried that any pre-FE 7 title will be just as frustrating and haven't tried to play any of them either. I'm not a big Chrom fan, but at least he's not completely worthless <_<
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Scorpion122178 posted...
I haven't played Marths game but Roy is legitimately a better character. A lot of his development is about how he's a 15 year old with all this just thrusted upon him. In a lot of his supports he even goes on to confess that the stress of trying to keep everyone alive makes him depressed. He's more complex than people give credit for.
That sound fantastic! ... To bad that Roy is so worthless for the majority of his game that trying to keep him alive long enough to see any of his characterization is like trying to go through a brick wall by banging your head against it. Like, I don't recall any character being super impressive in FE6, but even then, Roy still stood out for how awful he was. Not only has this turned me off from ever finishing FE 6, but I'm worried that any pre-FE 7 title will be just as frustrating and haven't tried to play any of them either.
I'm not a big Chrom fan, but at least he's not completely worthless <_<
hey I mean you wont catch me calling Roy a good unit but I play fire emblem for the story and characterization almost as much as the strategy and Awakening was just... BORING... like Jesus I remember why half way through my first play through I was just like "to hell with it" and started skipping the story and dialogue.
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Because it's the most popular one. Should it be popular is up to personal opinion however.
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hey I mean you wont catch me calling Roy a good unit but I play fire emblem for the story and characterization almost as much as the strategy and Awakening was just... BORING... like Jesus I remember why half way through my first play through I was just like "to hell with it" and started skipping the story and dialogue.
The problem is that it doesn't really matter how interesting a story or character is if seeing any of it is so obnoxiously frustrating and completely unfun that you give up on the game entirely. I mean, I dunno, I don't have a particularly high threshold for frustration so maybe it's just me, but I couldn't stomach Roy or his game very long. That said, the story for Awakening was ok I felt, the first half probably being a bit better than the second half, and I liked a lot of the characters and their personalities, even if they were a bit tropey at times. I remember my favorite being, I believe her name was Marribelle? The prim and proper healer chick. She was pretty great from what I remember.
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It's only 3 characters, but Awakening *did* arguably save the series and was one of the most popular. It is also heavily represented in Heroes and Warriors, overshadowing classic titles. Lucina only exists since she was going to be a Marth alt & Chrom only exists because he was an easy Echo and fan demand after getting beat by Robin. Robin is the only real character from Awakening. konokonohamaru posted...
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cuz it saved da franchize
It saved the franchise by adding waifu simulator
You know, people like to always talk about "waifus", and maybe it is due to Gamefaqs being primarily male players, but Fire Emblem is just as if not moreso fueled by thristy fangirls who love their husbands simulators as well. I had to mute people on Twitter who were just flailing about all their FE husbands. It's very much on both sides with tons of girls all up in either yaoi shipping or being super horny for their Lords and beyond.
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Awakening's 'saving the franchise' is over blown anyway. The previous one wasn't a total bomb and surprisingly when you make a game that isn't yet another remake, actually release it in the west and release it at a time when games on the console its on are selling really well it will sell better then the previous game that did none of those things. Also is it really a good thing the 'franchise was saved' if the end result is Fates. Winturwulf posted...
Y'know, it seems like a lot of people who complain about Awakening being a "waifu simulator" tend to forget Support Coversations was a thing. The difference in Awakening is that S-supports have playable kids.
Support system of the old games was an actual conversation between two characters and in the epilouge you got a sentence saying they were married. Support system in Awakening is random almost unconnected slice of life antics ending in a close up of the character making a cute face and professing their undying love for your self insert. There is a difference.
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Awakening's 'saving the franchise' is over blown anyway. The previous one wasn't a total bomb and surprisingly when you make a game that isn't yet another remake, actually release it in the west and release it at a time when games on the console its on are selling really well it will sell better then the previous game that did none of those things.
Also is it really a good thing the 'franchise was saved' if the end result is Fates.
Support system of the old games was an actual conversation between two characters and in the epilouge you got a sentence saying they were married.
Support system in Awakening is random almost unconnected slice of life antics ending in a close up of the character making a cute face and professing their undying love for your self insert.
There is a difference.
I liked Fates well enough. Or at least Birthright. Had I not gotten into a bit of a gaming rut the lasty couple of years, I'd probably have finished it and maybe worked on Conquest... You act as if the only S-support is made between a character and the Avatar. And the support system is still used for the exact same reason as the supports in previous titles; they help flesh out the characters and their relationships with each other. There's probably also some world building in there, though I don't remember. Get over your bias, and you'll realize that there's nothing wrong with the support system in Awakening.
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It's the most popular one, and a pretty good one. Additionally, Lucina and Chrom was easy to make for Sakurai (too bad their moveset is very uninspiring and basic-- they would've worked better in their Great Lord class with spears). That being said, I think perfect representation would've been Marth, Hector or Ike with axe attacks, and Robin. Maybe Azura or that sword/axe dual unit Edelgard later on. Also it's not a waifu simulator (to the people saying so). If it "is" then the whole series is (you know since Roy can marry Cecilia, Lilina, Eliwood can marry Ninian, etc.)Hello human.(edited 1 hour ago)2 are clones
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