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Lorulian 8 hours ago#1
As if it wasn't already obvious, Sakurai actually already confirmed that manga characters will never be in Smash Bros

“It is impossible for manga characters to join (Super Smash Bros.).

While we can accept characters from other companies, we cannot, under any circumstances, take in anything and everything under the sky. That’s because (Super Smash Bros.) is a game that requires everyone’s cooperation.”


Source (Google translate might help):
http://switchsoku.com/soft/smashbros/29209
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At_Witts_End 8 hours ago#2
Lorulian posted...
That’s because (Super Smash Bros.) is a game that requires everyone’s cooperation.”

And that right there deconfirms Erdrick as well.
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Lorulian 8 hours ago#3
At_Witts_End posted...
Lorulian posted...
That’s because (Super Smash Bros.) is a game that requires everyone’s cooperation.”

And that right there deconfirms Erdrick as well.

No it doesn't.

And Nintendo has had collaborations with Dragon Quest/Super Mario before.
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jayman7 8 hours ago#4
It's hardly the first time he's said something like this. It won't change the fanboys' minds, sadly.
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At_Witts_End 8 hours ago#5
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And that right there deconfirms Erdrick as well.

No it doesn't.

And Nintendo has had collaborations with Dragon Quest/Super Mario before.

Have you seen what Square did for ultimate with FF? And what sakurai has said about them. They're clearly uncooperative. And thus, Erdrick seems pretty unlikely.
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Joozhuah 8 hours ago#6
jayman7 posted...
It's far from the first time he's said something like this. It won't change the fanboys' minds, sadly.
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Blayshy 8 hours ago#7
At_Witts_End posted...
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No it doesn't.

And Nintendo has had collaborations with Dragon Quest/Super Mario before.

Have you seen what Square did for ultimate with FF? And what sakurai has said about them. They're clearly uncooperative. And thus, Erdrick seems pretty unlikely.

I have said that already.
They just believe every fucking leak on the planet.
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kuuroba 8 hours ago#8
The thing is Goku supporters are not the type of people to care about this quote from Sakurai. Goku supporters will still continue to request Goku adamantly no matter how much it gets shot down.
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jayman7 posted...
It's hardly the first time he's said something like this. It won't change the fanboys' minds, sadly.
Blayshy 8 hours ago#10
kuuroba posted...
The thing is Goku supporters are not the type of people to care about this quote from Sakurai. Goku supporters will still continue to request Goku adamantly no matter how much it gets shot down.

So, they're braindead.

Got it.
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SirRobX 8 hours ago#11
Remember when Sakurai said AC wouldn't be appropriate for Smash and now we have two AC characters?

Remember when Sakurai said Ridley wouldn't work for Smash and now he's a playable character?
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AceMos 8 hours ago#12
Blayshy posted...
At_Witts_End posted...
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Have you seen what Square did for ultimate with FF? And what sakurai has said about them. They're clearly uncooperative. And thus, Erdrick seems pretty unlikely.

I have said that already.
They just believe every fucking leak on the planet.


indeed a 2nd SE rep is unlikely do to the fact SE dont want to play ball
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Blayshy 8 hours ago#13
SirRobX posted...
Remember when Sakurai said AC wouldn't be appropriate for Smash and now we have two AC characters?

Remember when Sakurai said Ridley wouldn't work for Smash and now he's a playable character?

Apples and oranges, brah.
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hanautaBOB 8 hours ago#14
kuuroba posted...
The thing is Goku supporters are not the type of people to care about this quote from Sakurai. Goku supporters will still continue to request Goku adamantly no matter how much it gets shot down.


I think the Problem lies in the second Part of the quote:

"We cannot, under any circumstances, take in anything and everything under the sky. That’s because (Super Smash Bros.) is a game that requires everyone’s cooperation."

Although the first part literally says "Manga Characters are Impossible" the second part sounds like if you annoy whoever owns the rights for your Manga/Anime Character you could force him to do his best with nintendo to get the character in.

Although if the strong word "Impossible" is used, that means Nintendo doesn't even want to get into dealing with that shit thus there will never be the needed "Cooperation".
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At_Witts_End 8 hours ago#15
SirRobX posted...
Remember when Sakurai said AC wouldn't be appropriate for Smash and now we have two AC characters?

Remember when Sakurai said Ridley wouldn't work for Smash and now he's a playable character?

Except this is different.

With those, he IMMEDIATELY contradicted himself and was sorta trolling. Like "oh. An animal crossing character wouldn't work in smash. Sorry. Lol JK. Here's Villager" or "Sorry guys, Ridley's just too big...nah, I'm just fucking with ya"

With Goku, he's directly attacked him for ages now. Hell, it technically all started with James Bond, saying that liscencing would be HELL so he wasn't added. That's the issue with Goku and any and all non game characters. With gaming, sakurai can go right to the source. With multimedia, he has to go to everyone and say "hey. Can I put Goku in?". That means he'd have to go to the IP owner, the game developers, merchendising, film rights, all of those people....just to get a character a vocal minority want in.
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conceptuaris 8 hours ago#16
While I don't support Goku, the source is 10 years old. Remember Ridley is too.. big?

At_Witts_End posted...
With Goku, he's directly attacked him for ages now.

Source? As far as I know, including this article, it's only been once, since this article is the same one from 10 years ago
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Blayshy 8 hours ago#17
conceptuaris posted...
While I don't support Goku, the source is 10 years old. Remember Ridley is too.. big?

Apples and oranges. Ridley is still a video game character.
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Lorulian 8 hours ago#18
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No it doesn't.

And Nintendo has had collaborations with Dragon Quest/Super Mario before.

Have you seen what Square did for ultimate with FF? And what sakurai has said about them. They're clearly uncooperative. And thus, Erdrick seems pretty unlikely.

That doesn't mean they are uncooperative. If anything, that just means Square licensing involves a lot of bureaucracy and/or is expensive. But they can still be more than happy to cooperate despite that.

Having your character in Smash = good publicity. Reggie also said no one has ever refused to have their character in Smash.
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P4wn4g3 8 hours ago#19
lol goku = ridley now

Also prepare for a surprise crono appearance.
Blayshy 8 hours ago#20
Lorulian posted...
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Have you seen what Square did for ultimate with FF? And what sakurai has said about them. They're clearly uncooperative. And thus, Erdrick seems pretty unlikely.

That doesn't mean they are uncooperative. If anything, that just means Square licensing involves a lot of bureaucracy and/or is expensive. 

Having your character in Smash = good publicity. Reggie also said no one has ever refused to have their character in Smash.

Mainly because Cloud still got back in in the end. If he didn't, Reggie would have never said that.
And it seem Cloud is VERY lucky.
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redyoshifan 8 hours ago#21
I am Sakurai
Goku is in
lol.
conceptuaris 8 hours ago#22
Blayshy posted...
conceptuaris posted...
While I don't support Goku, the source is 10 years old. Remember Ridley is too.. big?

Apples and oranges. Ridley is still a video game character.

ok?
Both are statements made by Sakurai deconfirming a character for smash (permanently). In Goku's case, as far as I know, only once. in Ridley's case, multiple times.
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Lorulian 8 hours ago#23
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That doesn't mean they are uncooperative. If anything, that just means Square licensing involves a lot of bureaucracy and/or is expensive. 

Having your character in Smash = good publicity. Reggie also said no one has ever refused to have their character in Smash.

Mainly because Cloud still got back in in the end. If he didn't, Reggie would have never said that.
And it seem Cloud is VERY lucky.

We don't know that.

I agree that SE was anal in regards to the amount of FF content Smash was allowed to use. But I sincerely doubt they almost didn't allow Nintendo to have Cloud as a playable character.

There's a difference between uncooperative and expense.
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At_Witts_End 8 hours ago#24
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Mainly because Cloud still got back in in the end. If he didn't, Reggie would have never said that.
And it seem Cloud is VERY lucky.

We don't know that.

I agree that SE was anal in regards to the amount of FF content Smash was allowed to use. But I sincerely doubt they almost didn't allow Nintendo to have Cloud as a playable character.

There's a difference between uncooperative and expense.

Again, sakurai has talked about how anal they are and how cloud almost WASN'T in.

Reminder that he had to pester for cloud in the first place. Nomura said "he's not recent, really. Have someone else instead"
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Lorulian posted...
As if it wasn't already obvious, Sakurai actually already confirmed that manga characters will never be in Smash Bros

“It is impossible for manga characters to join (Super Smash Bros.).

While we can accept characters from other companies, we cannot, under any circumstances, take in anything and everything under the sky. That’s because (Super Smash Bros.) is a game that requires everyone’s cooperation.”


Source (Google translate might help):
http://switchsoku.com/soft/smashbros/29209


Sakurai also said that Ridley was too big. Your point?
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Lord Vaati X 8 hours ago#26
It’s worth noting that’s not a new statement. The source is from 2007.

Here’s the source listed in the article:

web.archive.org/web/20070116042649/http://
www.smashbros.com/jp/toukou/bn/no3.html
(Gamefaqs made me chop the link in half, but put it together or just go there from the article)

If the link doesn’t make it clear that it’s from January 16, 2007, the website itself shows the date at the very top. 

Basically this statement means nothing at all.
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duumb 8 hours ago#27
Goklown supporters BTFO'd by Saks. Thank god. I'll eat s*** and close my account the day he gets in.
P4wn4g3 8 hours ago#28
Lord Vaati X posted...
It’s worth noting that’s not a new statement. The source is from 2007.

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Lorulian 8 hours ago#29
At_Witts_End posted...
Again, sakurai has talked about how anal they are and how cloud almost WASN'T in.

Reminder that he had to pester for cloud in the first place. Nomura said "he's not recent, really. Have someone else instead"

Interviewer: Today’s conversation came out of the fact that plans for Cloud to appear in Smash for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U were actually realized, but did you two have any sort of acquaintance prior to this?

Sakurai: Actually, we didn’t. We’d had a couple of situations where we just missed each other, but we only got to talk to each other face to face because of Smash. But honestly, I was surprised that Mr. Nomura agreed to talk to me (laughs).

Nomura: I was glad to, of course.

Sakurai: Well, I was sure you’d be busy, and I thought you wouldn’t have the time to discuss it with me.

Nomura: It was an opportunity for Cloud to appear in Smash, how could I turn it down?

Source: https://www.sourcegaming.info/2016/01/20/sakurai-x-nomura-creator-interview-2016-part-one/

Sounds like Nomura was more than happy to oblige
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Blayshy 8 hours ago#30
Lorulian posted...
At_Witts_End posted...
Again, sakurai has talked about how anal they are and how cloud almost WASN'T in.

Reminder that he had to pester for cloud in the first place. Nomura said "he's not recent, really. Have someone else instead"

Interviewer: Today’s conversation came out of the fact that plans for Cloud to appear in Smash for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U were actually realized, but did you two have any sort of acquaintance prior to this?

Sakurai: Actually, we didn’t. We’d had a couple of situations where we just missed each other, but we only got to talk to each other face to face because of Smash. But honestly, I was surprised that Mr. Nomura agreed to talk to me (laughs).

Nomura: I was glad to, of course.

Sakurai: Well, I was sure you’d be busy, and I thought you wouldn’t have the time to discuss it with me.

Nomura: It was an opportunity for Cloud to appear in Smash, how could I turn it down?

Source: https://www.sourcegaming.info/2016/01/20/sakurai-x-nomura-creator-interview-2016-part-one/

Sounds like Nomura was more than happy to oblige

That was almost 3 years ago.
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If I’m not mistaken that particular article/interview was actually written before Smash 4 released. Recently some sites have picked it up though and they never mention it was from way back then. He might still follow that ruleset but I don’t think it’s crazy to imagine how he might have changed how he feels about it in the current day.
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Lorulian 8 hours ago#32
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Interviewer: Today’s conversation came out of the fact that plans for Cloud to appear in Smash for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U were actually realized, but did you two have any sort of acquaintance prior to this?

Sakurai: Actually, we didn’t. We’d had a couple of situations where we just missed each other, but we only got to talk to each other face to face because of Smash. But honestly, I was surprised that Mr. Nomura agreed to talk to me (laughs).

Nomura: I was glad to, of course.

Sakurai: Well, I was sure you’d be busy, and I thought you wouldn’t have the time to discuss it with me.

Nomura: It was an opportunity for Cloud to appear in Smash, how could I turn it down?

Source: https://www.sourcegaming.info/2016/01/20/sakurai-x-nomura-creator-interview-2016-part-one/

Sounds like Nomura was more than happy to oblige

That was almost 3 years ago.

That quote where Nomura said "he's not recent, really" is in this same exact interview.
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benjiross1 8 hours ago#33
“They hated Jesus because he told the truth.”
Jesus: “Goku is never coming to Smash Bros.!”
Goku supporters: “Shut up!”
Blayshy 8 hours ago#34
benjiross1 posted...
“They hated Jesus because he told the truth.”
Jesus: “Goku is never coming to Smash Bros.!”
Goku supporters: “Shut up!”

Lol, pretty much.
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Jaime_Benn 8 hours ago#35
Having been to the Dragon Ball social boards when Super was going on, they are....ummm a special bunch. I just assume half are trolling and half are weird...I guess like the Switch general board lol.
It's impossible to deconfirm Goku.
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daniel1232323 8 hours ago#37
SirRobX posted...
Remember when Sakurai said AC wouldn't be appropriate for Smash and now we have two AC characters?

Remember when Sakurai said Ridley wouldn't work for Smash and now he's a playable character?


Ridley and villager are video game characters. Sakurai ONCE had no clue on how they could work. He figured it out. Or maybe a dev convinced him? Once he saw it or figured it out he went "ok I was wrong this could work" 

It's completely different from him going back on a statement such as this.
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ObeseCity 8 hours ago#38
benjiross1 posted...
“They hated Jesus because he told the truth.”
Jesus: “Goku is never coming to Smash Bros.!”
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IMONFIREGUY 7 hours ago#39
'"Ridley the video game character was too big for Smash but is now a fighter. When's Goku the non-game character?"

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587Deathking 7 hours ago#41
"But but but Villager and Ridley!"

Don't know how their moveset would work =/= No these kinds of characters are not going to be in Smash Bros
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587Deathking posted...
"But but but Villager and Ridley!"

Don't know how their moveset would work =/= No these kinds of characters are not going to be in Smash Bros

To be fair, it wasn’t that Sakurai couldn’t come up with a moveset for Villager and the Miis. It was his opinion that they wouldn’t fit into a fighting game due to how lighthearted the characters are.

This was said around Brawl so in hindsight it would be a little weird for Villager to be fighting in a game that had a more violent and realistic artstyle, but the changing to presentation focus to be more cartoony in Smash 4 allowed characters like Villager to fit in better.

That said, yeah. It’s not a case of Sakurai saying “Manga characters wouldn’t look right in Smash”. He’s saying “I will never put Manga characters in because of the floodgates they open with them.”

At this point it’s pretty clear Smash’s only restriction will be that a character must be from a series that started as, or started exclusively associated with, video games.
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ZozmaSage 7 hours ago#44
SirRobX posted...
Remember when Sakurai said AC wouldn't be appropriate for Smash and now we have two AC characters?

Remember when Sakurai said Ridley wouldn't work for Smash and now he's a playable character?


Sure, but we can likely expect the rule to apply to this game at the very least.
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MasterDarken 7 hours ago#46
Even if Goku makes it in, he'd feel like Ridley does now.

Completely out of proportion and oddly out of place.
IMONFIREGUY 7 hours ago#47
MasterDarken posted...
Even if Goku makes it in, he'd feel like Ridley does now.

Completely out of proportion and oddly out of place.

Even moreso
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CaliberChamp 6 hours ago#49
Make Mii Fighter Goku and be happy. All characters in Smash Bros. were debutted in a video game or as a component to a game like R.O.B. Goku is originated as an anime/manga character not a video game character. There's always Jump force and DBFZ for you Goku freaks. By the way I'm a fan of Goku but wouldn't want him in Smash. My whole DBFZ team consists of Goku lol. SS Goku, SSB Goku and Vegito.
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JigglyPunk 6 hours ago#50
Goku deniers at it again I see.

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    fissionprimer 6 hours ago#51
    He also said that Ridley and Villager would never work in smash.

    And look where we are now, we have piece of **** characters like Isabelle
    NicoGrimm 6 hours ago#52
    At_Witts_End posted...
    Lorulian posted...
    That’s because (Super Smash Bros.) is a game that requires everyone’s cooperation.”

    And that right there deconfirms Erdrick as well.


    While, yes because Sugiyama is a douchenozzle that will never cooperate, by that logic we shouldn't have had Cloud either. 2 tracks, a stage and practically nothing else does not scream "everyone cooperated" to me.
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    neji721 6 hours ago#53
    Lorulian posted...
    As if it wasn't already obvious, Sakurai actually already confirmed that manga characters will never be in Smash Bros

    “It is impossible for manga characters to join (Super Smash Bros.).

    While we can accept characters from other companies, we cannot, under any circumstances, take in anything and everything under the sky. That’s because (Super Smash Bros.) is a game that requires everyone’s cooperation.”


    Source (Google translate might help):
    http://switchsoku.com/soft/smashbros/29209

    Well devils advocate here.

    They would need funimation, shonen jump,bandai, and anyone else to agree to letting him in. It's a lot of work, that probably isnt worth it. Impossible? It was Google translation. Maybe it means not likely or something in Japanese that isnt 100%
    jayman7 posted...
    It's hardly the first time he's said something like this. It won't change the fanboys' minds, sadly.
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    Milennin 6 hours ago#55
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    Have you seen what Square did for ultimate with FF? And what sakurai has said about them. They're clearly uncooperative. And thus, Erdrick seems pretty unlikely.

    That doesn't mean they are uncooperative. If anything, that just means Square licensing involves a lot of bureaucracy and/or is expensive. But they can still be more than happy to cooperate despite that.

    Having your character in Smash = good publicity. Reggie also said no one has ever refused to have their character in Smash.

    Didn't the guy from Viewtiful Joe say he wanted nothing to do with SSB?
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    Lorulian 6 hours ago#58
    Milennin posted...
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    That doesn't mean they are uncooperative. If anything, that just means Square licensing involves a lot of bureaucracy and/or is expensive. But they can still be more than happy to cooperate despite that.

    Having your character in Smash = good publicity. Reggie also said no one has ever refused to have their character in Smash.

    Didn't the guy from Viewtiful Joe say he wanted nothing to do with SSB?

    Maybe? That doesn't mean Sakurai ever requested Viewtiful Joe in Smash to begin with.
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    BabySh0es 6 hours ago#59
    i don't feel strongly about this either way but goku is already in a popular fighting game and it would probably be easy as shit to adapt him for smash lol
    MrZel 6 hours ago#60
    duumb posted...
    Goklown supporters BTFO'd by Saks. Thank god. I'll eat s*** and close my account the day he gets in.

    Why the hate though?
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    No it doesn't.

    And Nintendo has had collaborations with Dragon Quest/Super Mario before.

    Have you seen what Square did for ultimate with FF? And what sakurai has said about them. They're clearly uncooperative. And thus, Erdrick seems pretty unlikely.


    That may not apply to Erdrick. Yuji Horii retains the rights to the entire DQ series, and I can’t imagine him being the problem when it comes to Erdrick potentially being in the game.

    Now Sugiyama and his music rights nonsense...that could be a hurtle for Dragon Quest EVER getting into Smash.
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    iceflower40 5 hours ago#62
    this is from 2007

    there’s an interview from 2015 or so that has him mocking requests for Goku (and Spongebob for some reason)
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    thedarklordx3 5 hours ago#63
    neji721 posted...
    Lorulian posted...
    As if it wasn't already obvious, Sakurai actually already confirmed that manga characters will never be in Smash Bros

     show hidden quote(s)


    Source (Google translate might help):
    http://switchsoku.com/soft/smashbros/29209

    Well devils advocate here.

    They would need funimation, shonen jump,bandai, and anyone else to agree to letting him in. It's a lot of work, that probably isnt worth it. Impossible? It was Google translation. Maybe it means not likely or something in Japanese that isnt 100%


    To play devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, akira toriyama seems to be a fan of video games, he has worked on quite a lot (dragon quest and chrono trigger) and even has designed characters for the DBZ games

    So if anything i feel like AT would be totally on board if sakurai was able to contact him and may even design a goku fit for smash
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    ssj_duelist 5 hours ago#64
    And he also say Ridley wouldn't work...
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    AceMos 5 hours ago#65
    iceflower40 posted...
    this is from 2007

    there’s an interview from 2015 or so that has him mocking requests for Goku (and Spongebob for some reason)

    spongebob is a meme request in japan
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    99FreeHours 5 hours ago#66
    benjiross1 posted...
    “They hated Jesus because he told the truth.”
    Jesus: “Goku is never coming to Smash Bros.!”
    Goku supporters: “Shut up!”
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    Gigaraver 5 hours ago#67
    SAKURAI NEVER SAID RIDLEY WOULD NOT WORK. And he certainly never ever said "Ridley is too big".

    In fact during the Brawl era he said the complete opposite: That he COULD put Ridley in. Until Ultimate it had always been about being faithful to HIS VIEW of Ridley. Which is why he couldn't properly envision it, thus he'd give reasons such as "If I did this it wouldn't be Ridley anymore".

    What changed for Sakurai is pretty much what every Ridley supporter already knew: Ridley's character was never defined by his size. Once Sakurai finally opened his mind, he found a way to get Ridley in without compromising what truly made the character. And he even had the excuse of NES Ridley size. He could have always said that. Sakurai himself has said that his views have to evolve over time.

    Manga Characters however are a totally different issue. It's not that they can't work. It's that Sakurai WILL NOT TRY. Smash is about video games first and foremost, and characters that originate from Manga will NEVER properly represent video games in the way Sakurai intends.
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    Okamiden3 5 hours ago#68
    ssj_duelist posted...
    And he also say Ridley wouldn't work...


    That was for a different reason though.
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    godofwar596 5 hours ago#69
    Honestly with Bamco helping develop the game it doesn't seem impossible for Goku to be added. Bamco owns all licensing rights for DB games, so it doesn't seem like it would be as difficult to get him in like it was in the Brawl days, which is y'know, when this quote was made. I would honestly be very surprised if he even made it in as a trophy but we'll see.
    emagdnE 5 hours ago#70
    Remember when Sakurai said Ridley wouldn't work for Smash and now he's a playable character?

    Yes. And I'm still convinced Kimishima stepped in and forced the asshole to add Ridley and K. Rool. Especially after his statement about Ridley never getting in.

    The new guy could just as easily step in and force Goku upon Hackurai if he wished. Or better yet, be smart enough to cut off Hackurai from Smash altogether after realizing how much he's holding the franchise back. Having the new Smash actually be an EVO attraction and not just the Melee tournaments would be positive press for Nintendo you know.

    All characters in Smash Bros. were debutted in a video game or as a component to a game like R.O.B. Goku is originated as an anime/manga character not a video game character

    jRPGs are interactive anime movies and not real video games. Goku has appeared in plenty of real video games for Nintendo systems.

    Ergo, Goku is a worthier blonde spikey haired character than the ones that actually did get in.

    Smash has lost all meaning now that fucking enemies of Nintendo and characters that are barely relevant at all like Bayonetta and Joker are getting in. I see zero excuses for why Goku should be excluded at this point. And I don't even like Dragon Ball and the anime/manga tropes it established for everyone else to recycle and especially not how Akira Toriyama's entire career involved recycling the same 7 or so character designs with only changing their hair.

    I mean, I'd much rather have Thanos himself instead of Hackurai just wholesale ripping off Infinity War's plot for World of Light if Smash isn't actually going to be about Nintendo's history anymore. Third party characters should be a loyalty rewards program and nothing else. (Read: Sonic, Mega Man, Bomberman, and their friends.) But hey, Thanos fought Mega Man and Ryu in crossover games before. And Marvel actually loaned him out to Fortnite of all things. So why not?
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    Kantiran 5 hours ago#71
    JigglyPunk posted...
    Goku deniers at it again I see.

    Your day is coming. Enjoy your ignorance while you can.

    Look, I am a "Goku denier". Not because I don't WANT Goku (though I'm still not sure how his moveset would work without compromizing a lot) but because I just don't see him as realistic. 

    You know what I will do if he somehow against all odds actually gets in? Be happy for you. Nothing more, nothing less. 

    (though I also will start demanding Donald Duck and Asterix)
    DekuFireMage 5 hours ago#72
    They'll just add Xenoverse Goku
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    Blayshy 5 hours ago#73
    DekuFireMage posted...
    They'll just add Xenoverse Goku

    ...Are we speaking to a wall here?
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    hekifier 5 hours ago#74
    It should come naturally to anyone with a bit of common sense. But it's unfortunate that Sakurai had to come out and say this plainly obvious fact at all. Even worse, it's unfortunate that delusional people that thrive on annoyance will still continue to preach why Goku should be put in, as if this clear as a bell flat-out deconfirmation never happened.
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    AceMos 5 hours ago#75
    DekuFireMage posted...
    They'll just add Xenoverse Goku


    xenoverse goku is the same goku 

    you are thinking of xeno goku who is from dragon ball heroes A CARD GAME
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    hekifier 5 hours ago#76
    SirRobX posted...
    Remember when Sakurai said AC wouldn't be appropriate for Smash and now we have two AC characters?

    Remember when Sakurai said Ridley wouldn't work for Smash and now he's a playable character?

    Remember when Villager, Isabelle and Ridley were manga characters?
    Me neither.
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    DekuFireMage 5 hours ago#77
    AceMos posted...
    DekuFireMage posted...
    They'll just add Xenoverse Goku


    xenoverse goku is the same goku 

    you are thinking of xeno goku who is from dragon ball heroes A CARD GAME


    Isn't xenoverse an alternate universe to the mainline stuff with the time patrol and all that
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    abcDSBT 5 hours ago#78
    This isn't gonna stop the Goku "supporters", since almost all of them are just doing it to troll or shitpost.
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    AceMos 5 hours ago#79
    DekuFireMage posted...
    AceMos posted...
    DekuFireMage posted...
     show hidden quote(s)


    xenoverse goku is the same goku 

    you are thinking of xeno goku who is from dragon ball heroes A CARD GAME


    Isn't xenoverse an alternate universe to the mainline stuff with the time patrol and all that


    yes and goku is NOT part of the cast as they travel to the main time line to fix mistakes and that is the goku in the game

    did you make this suggestion with out playing the xenoverse games
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    Ace-of-Clubs 5 hours ago#80
    Not that I thought Goku had a chance here, but...you guys DO remember that Sakurai has changed his mind before, right? Otherwise playable Animal Crossing fighters would not exist.

    This only deconfirms Goku for Smash Ultimate DLC, but not from Smash for all time.
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    DekuFireMage 5 hours ago#81
    AceMos posted...
    DekuFireMage posted...
    AceMos posted...
     show hidden quote(s)


    Isn't xenoverse an alternate universe to the mainline stuff with the time patrol and all that


    yes and goku is NOT part of the cast as they travel to the main time line to fix mistakes and that is the goku in the game

    did you make this suggestion with out playing the xenoverse games


    Played half of the first one, the gameplay was shit though and it kept crashing during cutscenes
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    AceMos 5 hours ago#82
    DekuFireMage posted...
    AceMos posted...
    DekuFireMage posted...
     show hidden quote(s)


    yes and goku is NOT part of the cast as they travel to the main time line to fix mistakes and that is the goku in the game

    did you make this suggestion with out playing the xenoverse games


    Played half of the first one, the gameplay was shit though and it kept crashing during cutscenes


    what did you play it on

    and even with just half of it you should have known the goku in that game is the anime one

    dude you asked for a character on thing you are ignorant of that is just sad
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    Duwangboi 5 hours ago#83
    Ace-of-Clubs posted...
    Not that I thought Goku had a chance here, but...you guys DO remember that Sakurai has changed his mind before, right? Otherwise playable Animal Crossing fighters would not exist.

    This only deconfirms Goku for Smash Ultimate DLC, but not from Smash for all time.

    Sakurai will change his mind about something being too big but he will NEVER change his mind about adding non-videogame characters.
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    hekifier 5 hours ago#84
    Gigaraver posted...
    Goku obsessed tantrum


    This is exactly why I am so thrilled Sakurai will not put Goku in. To please people like this. Those who shove their crappy anime character down your throat and think it should be put in everything and everything. Goku is a contender to the godd**** Minions at this point.
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    thedarklordx3 5 hours ago#85
    DekuFireMage posted...
    AceMos posted...
    DekuFireMage posted...
     show hidden quote(s)


    xenoverse goku is the same goku 

    you are thinking of xeno goku who is from dragon ball heroes A CARD GAME


    Isn't xenoverse an alternate universe to the mainline stuff with the time patrol and all that


    It's really complicated but xenoverse goku is basically the same goku as the one in series except with more time travel shennanigans

    Xeno goku is an alternate version of goku with a different outfits and different capabilities who is not in xenoverse but is from a different game

    Xenoverse goku would not really be distinct from just adding Z goku or DBS goku.
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    Fou Lu 4 hours ago#86
    Blayshy posted...
    kuuroba posted...
    The thing is Goku supporters are not the type of people to care about this quote from Sakurai. Goku supporters will still continue to request Goku adamantly no matter how much it gets shot down.

    So, they're braindead.

    Got it.


    Yes, because they somehow believe that Nintendo could somehow get the rights to using Goku in a video game from Namco Bandai. Namco Bandai own the rights to Naruto, One Piece, Dragon Ball, etc.... And even then, it's specifically in their contract to not allow another game company to use the characters.
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    Shayner55 4 hours ago#87
    Blayshy posted...
    kuuroba posted...
    The thing is Goku supporters are not the type of people to care about this quote from Sakurai. Goku supporters will still continue to request Goku adamantly no matter how much it gets shot down.

    So, they're braindead.

    Got it.

    Or they just really want Goku lol. Whine enough and they might crack. Womens suffrage, equality rights, slave emancipation all started with a lot of whining and now we are at the next important fix for society ;)
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    Ace-of-Clubs 4 hours ago#88
    Shayner55 posted...
    Blayshy posted...
    kuuroba posted...
     show hidden quote(s)

    So, they're braindead.

    Got it.

    Or they just really want Goku lol. Whine enough and they might crack. Womens suffrage, equality rights, slave emancipation all started with a lot of whining and now we are at the next important fix for society ;)


    Heck, Ridley in Smash Ultimate is already an in-game example of how well this strategy works.
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    Xega 4 hours ago#89
    kuuroba posted...
    The thing is Goku supporters are not the type of people to care about this quote from Sakurai. Goku supporters will still continue to request Goku adamantly no matter how much it gets shot down.
    Duwangboi 4 hours ago#90
    Ace-of-Clubs posted...
    Shayner55 posted...
    Blayshy posted...
     show hidden quote(s)

    Or they just really want Goku lol. Whine enough and they might crack. Womens suffrage, equality rights, slave emancipation all started with a lot of whining and now we are at the next important fix for society ;)


    Heck, Ridley in Smash Ultimate is already an in-game example of how well this strategy works.

    People whined because it was a dumb reason to not add ridley. The reason to not add goku however is a very good reason not to add him.
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    Shayner55 4 hours ago#91
    Duwangboi posted...
    Ace-of-Clubs posted...
    Shayner55 posted...
     show hidden quote(s)


    Heck, Ridley in Smash Ultimate is already an in-game example of how well this strategy works.

    People whined because it was a dumb reason to not add ridley. The reason to not add goku however is a very good reason not to add him.

    I feel like Goku supporters disagree? It's almost like people have different opinions idfk
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    Ace-of-Clubs 4 hours ago#92
    Duwangboi posted...
    Ace-of-Clubs posted...
    Shayner55 posted...
     show hidden quote(s)


    Heck, Ridley in Smash Ultimate is already an in-game example of how well this strategy works.

    People whined because it was a dumb reason to not add ridley. The reason to not add goku however is a very good reason not to add him.


    "Dumb reason" is 100% subjective in this case. Bias detected.
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    Duwangboi 4 hours ago#93
    Ace-of-Clubs posted...
    Duwangboi posted...
    Ace-of-Clubs posted...
     show hidden quote(s)

    People whined because it was a dumb reason to not add ridley. The reason to not add goku however is a very good reason not to add him.


    "Dumb reason" is 100% subjective in this case. Bias detected.

    Saying "too big" for the reason to not add ridley is indeed dumb since ridley was near the same size as samus back in the day.
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    Nintendokami 4 hours ago#94
    No Deku for me, then..

    (Thank god.)
    Sega9599 3 hours ago#95
    Mario Maker.

    Mario Maker. 

    100× MARIO MAKER!

    This destroys your argument of "lol licensing overseas issues". But Goku haters never accept it.
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    Doom_Infinite 3 hours ago#96
    Goku is an ambassador at the Olympics. It makes great sense to have him in as a late DLC inclusion right before the Olympics. His alt costumes could be different forms with simple recolors and sometimes gi changes. Easy way to please everyone. I'm pretty sure they can make that deal easily too since it would just require Bandai Namco's cooperation, and they are already cooperating on the game as co developers.

    Not sure it will ever happen, but it should certainly be very feasible if Sakurai chooses to do it.
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    Phrase-of-Eve 3 hours ago#97
    Good. Goku has no place in Smash, and the same goes for any other character that originated from manga.
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    DargenBallZz 3 hours ago#98
    P4wn4g3 posted...
    lol goku = ridley now

    Also prepare for a surprise crono appearance.


    I can't be ready for that. If this theme hits on a Smash reveal, I'll need new pants:

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    Arne83 3 hours ago#99
    While you are 100% right, TC...

    However... Sakurai could open the very next direct with a 10 minute rant about how Goku will never be in Smash as long as he's alive... and anyone who openly supports him must have suffered serious brain damage. And people would still say Goku has a chance.
    "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
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    Gigaraver 2 hours ago#100
    hekifier posted...
    Gigaraver posted...
    Goku obsessed tantrum


    This is exactly why I am so thrilled Sakurai will not put Goku in.

    ...w....what!?

    @hekifier I'm not even going to ask if you can read. YOU. CAN'T. READ. PERIOD. 

    If somehow you got that out of a post talking mostly about Ridley and concluding that Sakurai would NOT put manga characters in, then you are INSANE.

    You literally did this:

    Me - Clarify the Ridley claims, Manga characters are different and won't happen. (never mentions Goku directly)
    You - LOL YOU'RE OBSESSED WITH GOKU!
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    1. Boards
    2. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
    3. Sakurai de-confirms Goku
      1. Boards
      2. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
      3. Sakurai de-confirms Goku
      KamariaK 2 hours ago#101
      I'm not sure I get his reasoning. So he's saying it's impossible for a manga author to cooperate with Nintendo?

      Obviously you need permission to put someone in a game. I don't see why he needs to state this.

      A more solid reasoning would be that they don't have a working relationship.
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      Although it is certain that the participation of another company's character participation has come true, I do not mean to do anything.
      Because it is a game that is built under the cooperation of everyone.

      Each other company wishes to participate.
      To have my character trust me.
      To be in the world of "smash bra", to have many adaptation acceptable.
      Being a character carrying the history of the game.

      Besides that, as courtesy, maybe there is something that "has appeared on the Nintendo platform"?

      Although it is a posting fist at the time of X, basically I think that this way and how to choose a character has not changed The only character that carries the history of the game is changing
      Gmaster32 2 hours ago#103
      Only video game characters.
      hanautaBOB 2 hours ago#104
      Arne83 posted...
      While you are 100% right, TC...

      However... Sakurai could open the very next direct with a 10 minute rant about how Goku will never be in Smash as long as he's alive... and anyone who openly supports him must have suffered serious brain damage. And people would still say Goku has a chance.


      Maybe at that point some weird Goku fanboy snaps and arranges Sakurais assassination... because if he is not alive anymore, Goku must be in... right? 

      I really hope not, but people do crazy stuff for the most stupid Reasons
      nath999 2 hours ago#105
      Thanos confirmed.
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      miguelnuva 2 hours ago#106
      Sakurai needs to say he doesn't want characters in smash that didn't come from a game instead of this line. How is Goku so much harder to get than say Joker?

      There's a difference between I want to respect smash and it's impossible to get a manga character.
      Itsuki_Aoi 2 hours ago#107
      That implies that he was once confirmed. Goku confirmed?
      To be fair if Sakurai wants Goku it could be arranged. Namco Bandai has the rights to goku in video games and namco happens to work very closely with sakurai on smash. It depends on the upcoming dbz games if there are switch only titles this will boost his chance imensively. 22nd is jump force and we might get new information there. Goku would be nice, but I think lloyd has a way bigger chance than Goku has. If goku would be in he would be the last character. He is a character that can break the internet. He is very popular in the west.
      AceMos 2 hours ago#109
      Aikenxenophanes posted...
      Namco Bandai has the rights to goku in video games


      that is not how this works at all
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      Arne83 2 hours ago#110
      Aikenxenophanes posted...
      To be fair if Sakurai wants Goku it could be arranged.

      And Sakurai clearly does not want Goku...
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      miguelnuva posted...
      Sakurai needs to say he doesn't want characters in smash that didn't come from a game instead of this line. How is Goku so much harder to get than say Joker?

      There's a difference between I want to respect smash and it's impossible to get a manga character.

      He only needs to go to his boys at Namco, but I dont know if Namco want to have goku in smash instead of Tales series. Dragonball is super popular here while namco would probably try to make the super popular japan series more approachable for the west. I prefer Goku>Lloyd, but I dont see that happening.
      CmPope 2 hours ago#112
      the smash fanbase gets more petty by the day
      shyahone 2 hours ago#113
      thank god.
      Arne83 2 hours ago#114
      Aikenxenophanes posted...
      He only needs to go to his boys at Namco

      No he doesn't.

      That's not how it fucking works.
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      IndeedFaqs 2 hours ago#115
      There are a lot of non Video Game characters now in Smash. Non playable yet but the way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if Smash 6 or 7 had Goku DLC.
      Blayshy 2 hours ago#116
      IndeedFaqs posted...
      There are a lot of non Video Game characters now in Smash. Non playable yet but the way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if Smash 6 or 7 had Goku DLC.

      The fuck are you talking about?
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      IndeedFaqs posted...
      There are a lot of non Video Game characters now in Smash. Non playable yet but the way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if Smash 6 or 7 had Goku DLC.

      Uhhh... no. They're all video game characters. They all started as video game characters. There's plenty of vids that you can watch showcasing each characters first appearance, and it's always a game.
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      And toei needs to be aboard, but I dont see licensing being that big of an issue. I dont see why nintendo or namco would want goku in smash. It doesnt promote any switch games and bandai has other series which are in dire need of promotion such as Tales of series.
      Behold, Goku from Dragon Ball Heroes. A different continuity, and this is technically a new character and separate from the main Goku. This is the Goku who originated in a video game:

      7gdqiMb

      Also DBH has a game on 3DS and a new one coming up on Switch iirc
      Arne83 1 hour ago#120
      Lord Vaati X posted...
      Behold, Goku from Dragon Ball Heroes. A different continuity

      Still fucking Goku.
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
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      Arne83 posted...
      Lord Vaati X posted...
      Behold, Goku from Dragon Ball Heroes. A different continuity

      Still fucking Goku.

      True but not the same Goku, and fills the video game origin requirement while having all of Goku’s traits plus his classic power pole. 

      https://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Goku:_Xeno
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      Arne83 1 hour ago#122
      Lord Vaati X posted...
      True but not the same Goku

      Still fucking Goku.

      and fills the video game origin requirement

      Only he doesn't.

      Because he's still fucking Goku!!

      You could make an argument like this for... say... Android 21... because that's a character that has no connections to the series outside of one game. But for any version of Goku... no. Because it's still fucking Goku.
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      (edited 1 hour ago)reportquote
      Arne83 posted...
      Lord Vaati X posted...
      True but not the same Goku

      Still fucking Goku.

      and fills the video game origin requirement

      Only he doesn't.

      Because he's still fucking Goku!!

      Um okay. I’m sorry for triggering you? It really didn’t take much lol.

      Doesn’t change the fact that Goku (Xeno) originates from a game. HOLD THAT L
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      Shayner55 1 hour ago#124
      Lord Vaati X posted...
      Behold, Goku from Dragon Ball Heroes. A different continuity, and this is technically a new character and separate from the main Goku. This is the Goku who originated in a video game:

      7gdqiMb

      Also DBH has a game on 3DS and a new one coming up on Switch iirc

      Loophole discovered. Goku confirmed
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      Arne83 1 hour ago#125
      Lord Vaati X posted...
      Um okay. I’m sorry for triggering you? It really didn’t take much lol.

      Yeah, I know... I have a very low tolerance for bullshit.
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      Arne83 1 hour ago#126
      Shayner55 posted...
      Loophole discovered

      Not a loophole.

      Still fucking Goku.
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      Shayner55 1 hour ago#127
      Arne83 posted...
      Shayner55 posted...
      Loophole discovered

      Not a loophole.

      Still fucking Goku.

      The loophole is that this iteration of goku was first introduced to the world as a video game character. Goku is confirmed get red pilled
      Growing up I was told I'd never make a Gamefaqs account but look at me now dad!!
      Arne83 1 hour ago#128
      Shayner55 posted...
      The loophole is that this iteration of goku was first introduced to the world as a video game character.

      And yet it's still Goku. And Goku is not happening. Ever. In any form. Because regardless of what "iteration" you fucking pull out of your ass... he is still a character that originated in a manga.

      Are you also going to say it's fine to have Batman... as long as it's specifically the Batman from the Arkham games?
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      Shayner55 1 hour ago#129
      Arne83 posted...
      Shayner55 posted...
      The loophole is that this iteration of goku was first introduced to the world as a video game character.

      And yet it's still Goku. And Goku is not happening. Ever. In any form. Because regardless of what "iteration" you fucking pull out of your ass... he is still a character that originated in a manga.

      Are you also going to say it's fine to have Batman... as long as it's specifically the Batman from the Arkham games?

      I would love that. It's time to start pressuring Nintendo for batman, fantastic idea
      Growing up I was told I'd never make a Gamefaqs account but look at me now dad!!
      Blayshy 1 hour ago#130
      Shayner55 posted...
      Arne83 posted...
      Shayner55 posted...
       show hidden quote(s)

      Not a loophole.

      Still fucking Goku.

      The loophole is that this iteration of goku was first introduced to the world as a video game character. Goku is confirmed get red pilled

      That expression can go fuck itself.
      I am pretty sure I know what to do now.
      -Sonic Mainer (SSB4) / Link Mainer (SSBU). Hyde / Linne main team in BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle.
      Arne83 1 hour ago#131
      Shayner55 posted...
      Arne83 posted...
      Shayner55 posted...
       show hidden quote(s)

      And yet it's still Goku. And Goku is not happening. Ever. In any form. Because regardless of what "iteration" you fucking pull out of your ass... he is still a character that originated in a manga.

      Are you also going to say it's fine to have Batman... as long as it's specifically the Batman from the Arkham games?

      I would love that. It's time to start pressuring Nintendo for batman, fantastic idea

      Well, at least you're not a hypocrite...
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      Arne83 posted...
      Shayner55 posted...
      The loophole is that this iteration of goku was first introduced to the world as a video game character.

      And yet it's still Goku. And Goku is not happening. Ever. In any form. Because regardless of what "iteration" you fucking pull out of your ass... he is still a character that originated in a manga.

      Are you also going to say it's fine to have Batman... as long as it's specifically the Batman from the Arkham games?

      Kinda reminds me of Mario and Dr. Mario in some ways.
      im fat
      Blayshy 1 hour ago#133
      imnotmark10 posted...
      Arne83 posted...
      Shayner55 posted...
       show hidden quote(s)

      And yet it's still Goku. And Goku is not happening. Ever. In any form. Because regardless of what "iteration" you fucking pull out of your ass... he is still a character that originated in a manga.

      Are you also going to say it's fine to have Batman... as long as it's specifically the Batman from the Arkham games?

      Kinda reminds me of Mario and Dr. Mario in some ways.

      Excuse me?
      I am pretty sure I know what to do now.
      -Sonic Mainer (SSB4) / Link Mainer (SSBU). Hyde / Linne main team in BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle.
      DoomDesired2 52 minutes ago#134
      hanautaBOB posted...
      kuuroba posted...
      The thing is Goku supporters are not the type of people to care about this quote from Sakurai. Goku supporters will still continue to request Goku adamantly no matter how much it gets shot down.


      I think the Problem lies in the second Part of the quote:

      "We cannot, under any circumstances, take in anything and everything under the sky. That’s because (Super Smash Bros.) is a game that requires everyone’s cooperation."

      Although the first part literally says "Manga Characters are Impossible" the second part sounds like if you annoy whoever owns the rights for your Manga/Anime Character you could force him to do his best with nintendo to get the character in.

      Although if the strong word "Impossible" is used, that means Nintendo doesn't even want to get into dealing with that shit thus there will never be the needed "Cooperation".

      I think what he may be implying is that other companies like Square and Capcom won't want to be featured alongside manga characters, or that manga companies don't want to be featured in Smash Bros
      sHiNy sWoRd mY dIaMoNd
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      toadfan64 48 minutes ago#135
      I just want Goku at this point to piss off the 0.001% of Smash fans that would be pissed at his inclusion.
      Brawl FC - 5412-9555-6314
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      SILKA 41 minutes ago#136
      Just make a Goku Mii and make him a Mii Brawler in the Fighter's Uniform (It might be called something else.)
      "When we die we go bye bye."
      -Abe Lincolns
      senokpersonnel 39 minutes ago#137
      guys ridley is too big and animal crossing characters aren't suited for smash.

      shit. we're getting goku in smash 6 aren't we
      you reposted in the wrong hill zone. currently supporting brown kirby and dunsparce for whatever reason.
      e: despacito spider. https://i.imgtc.com/tJ91zGU.gif
      imnotmark10 35 minutes ago#138
      I've seen the post of those Goku supporters, I've gotta say... they were very awful. Okay, time to collect their reasons and why they're NOT good:
      1. "They were owned by Bandai Namco, a video game company."
      But at the same time, they were owned by Shonen Jump, a company that produce manga. Smash Bros. is a crossover from video game characters. Goku is not introduced first as a game character, rather he was introduced as a manga character. Yes, that certain article was made a decade ago, but the rules still applies until now. Only video game characters.
      2. "Ridley and Villager were deconfirmed before and then became playable in a sequel."
      Except they were originally a character from a video game. Goku is not.
      3. "This version of Goku is originated from a video game:"
      7gdqiMb
      That's still Goku. Yes, it was made for the video game, but the character's history himself doesn't change the fact that he's a manga character. Trying to make a connection here, but it's like comparing Mario to Dr. Mario, except they're both originated from a video game.

      All these reasons they made still lead them why he will never be in: Goku's a manga character. His history is the reason why he will never join in Smash Bros..

      I want to point out something:
      1. "If Goku's not in, then Erdrick cannot be in too."
      Except Erdrick is a video game character and Goku is not. Sure, both were created by Akira Toriyama, but the point above still stands. Heck, Erdrick may even join in first before Goku.
      2. "There are a lot of non-video game characters in Smash right now." (a certain user said this)
      Okay... Specify the characters in Smash that are not originated from a video game. I'll respond right away.
      3. "If Goku's in, then..." (my response if this will indeed happen)
      I feared something will happen if Goku will join in. Not only a swarm of backlash will charge ahead to Sakurai, but also a swarm of anime-lovers (don't wanna say that certain word) will request him to add more manga characters (Naruto, Ichigo, Luffy) and that will lose the meaning of Smash Bros..
      im fat
      Arne83 35 minutes ago#139
      senokpersonnel posted...
      guys ridley is too big and animal crossing characters aren't suited for smash.

      Apples...

      Oranges...
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      imnotmark10 33 minutes ago#140
      Blayshy posted...
      imnotmark10 posted...
      Arne83 posted...
       show hidden quote(s)

      Kinda reminds me of Mario and Dr. Mario in some ways.

      Excuse me?

      Read my second response so that you'll understand my point. Sorry for the confusion.
      im fat
      Gogeta887 32 minutes ago#141
      Sakurai was caught eating carrots, thus re-confirming Goku.
      If time is to change... let it change. If the world is to be destroyed... so be it. If it is my fate to die... I must simply laugh.
      Shayner55 31 minutes ago#142
      imnotmark10 posted...
      I've seen the post of those Goku supporters, I've gotta say... they were very awful. Okay, time to collect their reasons and why they're NOT good:
      1. "They were owned by Bandai Namco, a video game company."
      But at the same time, they were owned by Shonen Jump, a company that produce manga. Smash Bros. is a crossover from video game characters. Goku is not introduced first as a game character, rather he was introduced as a manga character. Yes, that certain article was made a decade ago, but the rules still applies until now. Only video game characters.
      2. "Ridley and Villager were deconfirmed before and then became playable in a sequel."
      Except they were originally a character from a video game. Goku is not.
      3. "This version of Goku is originated from a video game:"
      7gdqiMb
      That's still Goku. Yes, it was made for the video game, but the character's history himself doesn't change the fact that he's a manga character. Trying to make a connection here, but it's like comparing Mario to Dr. Mario, except they're both originated from a video game.

      All these reasons they made still lead them why he will never be in: Goku's a manga character. His history is the reason why he will never join in Smash Bros..

      I want to point out something:
      1. "If Goku's not in, then Erdrick cannot be in too."
      Except Erdrick is a video game character and Goku is not. Sure, both were created by Akira Toriyama, but the point above still stands. Heck, Erdrick may even join in first before Goku.
      2. "There are a lot of non-video game characters in Smash right now." (a certain user said this)
      Okay... Specify the characters in Smash that are not originated from a video game. I'll respond right away.
      3. "If Goku's in, then..." (my response if this will indeed happen)
      I feared something will happen if Goku will join in. Not only a swarm of backlash will charge ahead to Sakurai, but also a swarm of anime-lovers (don't wanna say that certain word) will request him to add more manga characters (Naruto, Ichigo, Luffy) and that will lose the meaning of Smash Bros..

      This is racist towards Goku. How dare you use his history against him. Judge the man for his merits
      Growing up I was told I'd never make a Gamefaqs account but look at me now dad!!
      DekuFireMage 25 minutes ago#143
      Arne83 posted...
      Shayner55 posted...
      The loophole is that this iteration of goku was first introduced to the world as a video game character.

      And yet it's still Goku. And Goku is not happening. Ever. In any form. Because regardless of what "iteration" you fucking pull out of your ass... he is still a character that originated in a manga.

      Are you also going to say it's fine to have Batman... as long as it's specifically the Batman from the Arkham games?


      "It's still fucking Dracula, doesnt matter if this one is from Castlevania. Literally fucking Dracula"
      I was grinched by the Grinch leak
      Date I can can remove this sig: April 1st (Irony amirite)
      imnotmark10 25 minutes ago#144
      Shayner55 posted...
      This is racist towards Goku. How dare you use his history against him. Judge the man for his merits

      Face it. That's the reason why he'll never join. Not against him entirely. It's just how it is.
      im fat
      donkeyjack 22 minutes ago#145
      At_Witts_End posted...
      Lorulian posted...
      That’s because (Super Smash Bros.) is a game that requires everyone’s cooperation.”

      And that right there deconfirms Erdrick as well.


      Lmao no it doesn't. He is a Videgame character. Son-Kun isn't
      Arne83 21 minutes ago#146
      DekuFireMage posted...
      Arne83 posted...
      Shayner55 posted...
       show hidden quote(s)

      And yet it's still Goku. And Goku is not happening. Ever. In any form. Because regardless of what "iteration" you fucking pull out of your ass... he is still a character that originated in a manga.

      Are you also going to say it's fine to have Batman... as long as it's specifically the Batman from the Arkham games?


      "It's still fucking Dracula, doesnt matter if this one is from Castlevania. Literally fucking Dracula"

      Dracula isn't playable.
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      DekuFireMage 21 minutes ago#147
      Arne83 posted...
      DekuFireMage posted...
      Arne83 posted...
       show hidden quote(s)


      "It's still fucking Dracula, doesnt matter if this one is from Castlevania. Literally fucking Dracula"

      Dracula isn't playable.


      Goku is a boss confirmed
      I was grinched by the Grinch leak
      Date I can can remove this sig: April 1st (Irony amirite)
      Arne83 18 minutes ago#148
      DekuFireMage posted...
      Arne83 posted...
      DekuFireMage posted...
       show hidden quote(s)

      Dracula isn't playable.


      Goku is a boss confirmed

      ...

      Go away.
      "Do you really need both Bradicus AND Chadicus in your party?"
      "Dude... Chadicus is awesome."
      imnotmark10 15 minutes ago#149
      If Goku originated as a video game character, then I would straight-up make a petition (of course not being too far with it, unlike that certain purple mustachioed Mario character) to let him join Smash, but we live in a timeline where Goku is a manga character, so it won't happen.
      im fat
      AceMos 8 minutes ago#150
      this board really needs to ban goku topics 

      seriously some one contact the admin and mods or wtv and suggest this
      3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance*
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      2. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 
      3. Sakurai de-confirms Goku

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