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After the disappointment of XY, I got completely turned off from playing Pokemon. I remember feeling hyped for 3D movement and 3D modeled Pokemon but the actual game suffered for having diagonal movement (not a big deal), boring world, and most importantly frame drops. After XY, I never bought the Omega remakes, but I did buy Sun and played it for like 8 hours after putting the game down and never looking back.
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I think Sun & Moon were really good personally, I wish they toned down the story presentation and railroading, but as it is, it was still fun.
Or/As improved on the originals in just about every way I think, particularly they make the godforsaken water routes more tolerable due to the always on screen map. R/S/E were never exactly my favorites though to begin with. X/Y though, yeah. That game was bad, the worst main pokemon game easily, well aside from Diamond/Pearl (Which Platinum fixed),
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I think it's a bit strange to complain about the 3D models in main series games. They had to come eventually.
Despite my constant bashing of XY I actually did think it was an okay game. I really wish they had made a third version or sequels like B2W2. DP weren't very good but Platinum was my favorite Pokemon game, so if fixing DP was possible, then fixing XY should be. ORAS were good but that's only because the original games were good. My main complaint comes from the fact that they should have made the original versions look objectively inferior like what FRLG and HGSS did. The extra bit of postgame was nice and I loved soaring and finding legendaries, but it was way too easy and didn't include the Battle Frontier (not even the Battle Tower), which is why I think they're about the same level as the original games, instead of much better like the other two remakes. I actually really liked SM. Had some noticeable flaws like too many cutscenes but I didn't have a problem with most of the game.
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bigtim777 posted...
I think any DS entry > XY = SM >>> OR/AS Imagine not realizing how terrible D/P are. OT, I disagree. I think GBA is weakest overall if only by virtue of having the fewest games.
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To each their own. I consider DS the worst for Pokemon games, in my opinion.
I haven't touched Gen 5, but for me, neither of those games had that charm that made me want to get into them. Not to say they're bad, they just didn't have that "buy now" factor that I expected from just about any main Pokemon game. That doesn't mean I will pass them up forever, though. Then there's Diamond and Pearl, which I personally did not like at all, outside of Cynthia. They barely felt new enough for me, the region wasn't interesting enough for me to care about, the Underground Path was far too overly-expanded and boring, the Poketch felt very tacked-on outside of a few instances such as the Dowsing App and such, and the touch screen was barely used in menus for the sake of conveniency (thank you, HG/SS). I did hear that Platinum fixes most of these issues, but the damage was done for me; I didn't have enough interest to buy it. Pokemon Trozei was a good idea on paper...but other that that, I didn't like it either. The only DS games I enjoyed in the Pokemon franchise is HG/SS. It introduced me to Johto rather well and I had an absolute blast with its new features and actual touch screen usage.
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XY definitely is not my favorite Pokemon game (more likely in the bottom half somewhere), but I have to say, the experience of playing it online when it first came out is one of my best experiences playing Pokemon. So many people were playing it, friends, family, random people. At any given time the GTS and Wondertrade was going crazy. That month or so before the Pokebank came out was the best part of it though, because everyone was on equal playing fields. You could leverage big value out of version exclusive Pokemon, and I loved wheeling and dealing on the GTS.
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Idk, it wasn't entirely bad for me.
In terms of online features and completing the Pokedex it was the first time it felt like those doors were open and welcome for anyone to pursue. It was the first time I took the time to collect Pokemon, try out some online battles, and even found people around me to play together with relatively easily. Sure, in terms of content, atmosphere and graphical charm they don't hold much of a candle to the older games. But they did have a nice community feeling that reminded me of when Pokemon first appeared to the world. Until Sun\Moon hit the fan I was still somewhat hopeful about the series, since while the 3DS games had very notable flaws they also brought some really great advancements to the table. Admittedly, Gen 7 killed off a lot of my hope for things to keep improving on some level, but at least the previous games generated a lot of excitement for the series. |
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TheZuperHero posted...
bigtim777 posted...I think any DS entry > XY = SM >>> OR/AS The GBC has the fewest game, with only 1 exclusive to it.
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Gen VI was the most fun I had with Pokémon since gen II for me. I do dislike S/M. However if they had a skip cutscene and tutorial I would have enjoyed it. Granted I only care about doing playthroughs with different teams and give zero s***s about side content, multiplayer battling, or post- game. Different strokes for different folks and all of that.
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Sarlandogo posted...
frankly I enjoyed all pokemon main games on the 3ds (XY, ORAS, SUMO) no complaints at all Same.
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I've been thinking about why I haven't been so into Pokemon myself lately, but I think you hit the nail on the head. I really liked the 2D sprites and animation. The 3DS games just feel slow. I actually played Sun without any battle animations; the game went by fast but I haven't wanted to pick it up again and get all the legendary or special pokemons.
Maybe I'm just being nostalgic.
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Main games: Gameboy games: R/B/Y GBC games: 3 games G/S/C GBA games: 5 games (RSE LGFR) DS games: 9 games DPP HGSS BW B2W2 3DS games: 8 games XY ORAS SM UMUS DS would be the best for pokemon because it has more games so far. 3DS is used for online play (PVP, trading) while the DS and below is for completing the main story.
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I've been thinking about why I haven't been so into Pokemon myself lately, but I think you hit the nail on the head. I really liked the 2D sprites and animation. The 3DS games just feel slow. I actually played Sun without any battle animations; the game went by fast but I haven't wanted to pick it up again and get all the legendary or special pokemons. It's definitely just nostalgia for you. I grew up with the sprite games as well but the battles are a lot more interesting to look at with the 3D models, even if they are somewhat slower. Going back to the old Pokémon games, the battles feel a bit boring because it's just two or four static sprites throwing crappy animations at each other.
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lorac94 posted...
After the disappointment of XY, I got completely turned off from playing Pokemon. I remember feeling hyped for 3D movement and 3D modeled Pokemon but the actual game suffered for having diagonal movement (not a big deal), boring world, and most importantly frame drops. After XY, I never bought the Omega remakes, but I did buy Sun and played it for like 8 hours after putting the game down and never looking back. I agree. Pokemon games feel so much better with 2D Sprites. That's why Platinum and HGSS will always be some of the best. |
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Skull_pro posted...
TheZuperHero posted...bigtim777 posted...I think any DS entry > XY = SM >>> OR/AS Eh, you're right but I just lump GB/GBC together.
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cloud_8f8f posted...
lorac94 posted...After the disappointment of XY, I got completely turned off from playing Pokemon. I remember feeling hyped for 3D movement and 3D modeled Pokemon but the actual game suffered for having diagonal movement (not a big deal), boring world, and most importantly frame drops. After XY, I never bought the Omega remakes, but I did buy Sun and played it for like 8 hours after putting the game down and never looking back. Platinum and HGSS are the best, but not because of 2D sprites, lol
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uberking422 posted...
Nah, GBA is the worst. Gen III vanilla and the Gen 1 remakes both just feel kind of dull. The Gen 1 remakes were better than the originals, so unless you had a problem with the originals, I don't see your problem with FRLG. Emerald was probably the third best Pokémon game anyway
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XY was meh, ORAS was pretty good, and SM has to be my least favourite gen.
But, I'm a Sinnoh and Johto fanboy, so my views shouldn't necessarily be followed.
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I still need to play Sun, too, but I find it weird I had basically the same experience as you, TC. Though Pokemon Yellow was my favorite, so I got that. Beat it once, extremely close to beating it a 2nd "themed" way (only Flying type), but haven't touched it in months. Will restart and use the in-game glitches to complete the Dex.
But I'm not a huge RPG fan in general, yet I still have Sun and Bravely Default waiting to be played. And I don't have any real motivation to play those, especially with me needing to play Zelda and Metroid still. In all honesty, after seeing them adding even more of these Ultra Beasts or whatever in Ultra Sun/Moon or whatever they're called, I'm probably done buying Pokemon games for a long time. Might get Silver (or SoulSilver) or Omega Ruby whenever I get that itch again, but only after I'm nearly done with the rest of my 3DS backlog and Pokemon Yellow & Sun.
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Like an above poster said, to each their own.
Personally for 3DS i really enjoyed X/Y and its story & gameplay. I bought Moon after it came out and didnt make it past 15 hrs before I decided I truly disliked it. In contrast the gameboy probly had the best series with Blue/Red and the phenomenal Gold/Silver. But thats just me.
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I think it's a bit strange to complain about the 3D models in main series games. They had to come eventually. Yeah, but you could make the argument that 3D came a console generation too early. 3DS could barely handle XY in 3D, and it that wasn't enough vanilla 3DS can barely handle Sun/Moon. They likely purposefully made the models detailed so they don't have to redo them for multiple console generations. Expect similar models with just better textures on the Switch. |
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X/Y and the Omega/Alphas were good, the latter games particularly were great. Sun and Moon though were horrendous, the first set of main title Poke games I've ever been truly disappointed in and I've played every generation since they came out in the 90s. The changes they made to almost everything sucked, very few innovations were actually good and helpful (the confirming to go through doors was ridiculous and really pissed me off) and the Aloha forms were a piss poor attempt at trying something new like they did with the Mega forms.
As a kid who wanted the Orange Islands to appear as a game or side area of a game after trudging through these games I now understand they never attempted the island story concept in the past. I'm not going to try and bulls*** that every main title Poke game was great because some weren't and had flaws but these were the first two I truly did not enjoy at all and had to force myself to finish. I cannot wait for the Ultras to come out so we can get the hell away from this gen for good. I can only assume $$$ is why we're getting two games instead of the traditional third color gamealthough it's not the first time they've strayed from a third like B/W2 and X/Y not getting a sequel game or third at all. |
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But I'm not a huge RPG fan in general, yet I still have Sun and Bravely Default waiting to be played. And I don't have any real motivation to play those, especially with me needing to play Zelda and Metroid still. Bravery Default has only four characters in your party which I like. The problem is that you need specific job combinations to beat certain areas and bosses and the game doesn't tell you what the best job is for what character. So I don't blame you for not playing BD. I'm a BIG RPG fan and i have barely touched SUN. I went back to Pokemon Black. I don;t like in SUN, you have enter a different "world" to trade and train EV's instead of doing it on the main game screen like in X/Y. I also don't like the setting in SUN because it makes me want to be in the tropics.
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Yes, but only because DS is in an odd place.
It has the Fourth Generation, the franchise's peak, and the Fifth Generation, the franchise's (and Nintendo as a whole's) lowest point.
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Nah, the GBA was. Not that the games were bad, but it was just sort of an odd era for Pokemon. It was when they were no longer cool with the kids who made the original games popular, it was when the series was in somewhat of a decline, and it's between their advancements in the series.
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uberking422 posted...Nah, GBA is the worst. Gen III vanilla and the Gen 1 remakes both just feel kind of dull. Best way to play gen 1 is by playing Pokemon yellow on your 3DS these days.
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XY were okay. Lacking, but not bad.
ORAS were... very meh, especially compared to the previous remakes which were amazing. Didn't care for most of the redesigns, the timeline theory nonsense was completely unnecessary, and the lack of Emerald elements sucked. SM were better than XY and ORAS as far as I'm concerned, but still not amazing. We'll see how USUM are, but I'm honestly not holding my breath here. Should've been sequels like BW2 instead of a third version, split in two. |
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LuigiFan835 posted...uberking422 posted...Nah, GBA is the worst. Gen III vanilla and the Gen 1 remakes both just feel kind of dull. Not really. Playing FRLG on the DS Lite is better, plus you get access to all the dual slot Pokémon in DPPt. Endgame posted... Yes, but only because DS is in an odd place. Finally I agree with Endgame on something, 4th generation was by far the best
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I actually agree. IMO it's:
GB(C) > DS > GBA > 3DS Couldn't get into X/Y at all, didn't finish Sun/Moon, and wasn't a huge fan of OR/AS because I wasn't a huge fan of R/S/E to begin with. Plus, OR/AS didn't even have the Battle Frontier (or whatever it was called in Emerald)... pretty inexcusable imo.
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Monster Hunter Stories and Yokai Watch are two monster games that are infinitely better than Pokemon.
And how can anyone tolerate XY, but hate Sun and Moon?
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3DS is one of the best consoles for Pokémon considering how many of them it can play.
If we're talking about just the original entries though then yeah, I definitely agree.There's a mystery to be uncovered here, that's for sure. And I get the feeling the truth is beyond my wildest imagination.It depends on how you look at it...
First, as someone pointed out, 3ds gives you access to nearly all the main series games which is nice. Still, you're probably right on the fact that 3ds entries were worst overall. I found X/Y to be decent and really disliked OR/AS. While I had great expectations for S/M (finally some plot, alolan forms are a nice idea, etc.), it proved that good ideas may be translated badly in practical terms sometimes. Said that, I think that gen 4 and 5 on DS were really uninspired when it comes to new pokemon design and prefer gen 6 and 7 in comparison. There clearly are exceptions in positive and negative terms in each generations, just trying to generalizejayj350 posted...LuigiFan835 posted...
uberking422 posted...
Nah, GBA is the worst. Gen III vanilla and the Gen 1 remakes both just feel kind of dull.
The Gen 1 remakes were better than the originals, so unless you had a problem with the originals, I don't see your problem with FRLG. Emerald was probably the third best Pokémon game anyway
Best way to play gen 1 is by playing Pokemon yellow on your 3DS these days.
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GB(C) > DS > GBA > 3DS
Couldn't get into X/Y at all, didn't finish Sun/Moon, and wasn't a huge fan of OR/AS because I wasn't a huge fan of R/S/E to begin with. Plus, OR/AS didn't even have the Battle Frontier (or whatever it was called in Emerald)... pretty inexcusable imo.
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Mii Name: Luigi; NNID: MARIOS_BRO123Yeah, it's hard to tell whether it's actually the 3DS or the DS. I enjoyed B/W and B2/W2, but D/P/Pt I just did not like at all. X/Y and S/M are far from the best gens it seems, but ORAS seems to be very well liked. Whether ORAS is good enough to take up the 3DS gens, I wouldn't know since I've just started X/Y, this is just from the opinions I've seen online.
Edit: I COMPLETELY forgot that HGSS was a thing until making that response to the quote right below. DS generation wasn't as lukewarm as I remembered now since I did enjoy HGSS quite a lot.
LuigiFan835 posted...Kyle1022 posted...
I actually agree. IMO it's:
GB(C) > DS > GBA > 3DS
Couldn't get into X/Y at all, didn't finish Sun/Moon, and wasn't a huge fan of OR/AS because I wasn't a huge fan of R/S/E to begin with. Plus, OR/AS didn't even have the Battle Frontier (or whatever it was called in Emerald)... pretty inexcusable imo.
Why is GB/C above everything else? FRLG and HGSS are far superior remakes, so they should be above GB/C
Just because they were technically better when it comes to graphics and gameplay doesn't mean they gave us that same sense of wonder the original games did. FRLG were good remakes, but it didn't have that feeling we had when we originally played Pokemon. Call it nostalgia, or rose colored glasses, but it still didn't contain the same sense of wonder. Same with HGSS, as kids Silver and Gold made us all incredibly happy that there was not only a new game, but a ton of new Pokemon. When FRLG and HGSS came out, that sense of excitement was long gone.It's dangerous to take this. Go alone.wrobe67132 posted...Yeah, it's hard to tell whether it's actually the 3DS or the DS. I enjoyed B/W and B2/W2, but D/P/Pt I just did not like at all. X/Y and S/M are far from the best gens it seems, but ORAS seems to be very well liked. Whether ORAS is good enough to take up the 3DS gens, I wouldn't know since I've just started X/Y, this is just from the opinions I've seen online.
Edit: I COMPLETELY forgot that HGSS was a thing until making that response to the quote right below. DS generation wasn't as lukewarm as I remembered now since I did enjoy HGSS quite a lot.
LuigiFan835 posted...Kyle1022 posted...
I actually agree. IMO it's:
GB(C) > DS > GBA > 3DS
Couldn't get into X/Y at all, didn't finish Sun/Moon, and wasn't a huge fan of OR/AS because I wasn't a huge fan of R/S/E to begin with. Plus, OR/AS didn't even have the Battle Frontier (or whatever it was called in Emerald)... pretty inexcusable imo.
Why is GB/C above everything else? FRLG and HGSS are far superior remakes, so they should be above GB/C
Just because they were technically better when it comes to graphics and gameplay doesn't mean they gave us that same sense of wonder the original games did. FRLG were good remakes, but it didn't have that feeling we had when we originally played Pokemon. Call it nostalgia, or rose colored glasses, but it still didn't contain the same sense of wonder. Same with HGSS, as kids Silver and Gold made us all incredibly happy that there was not only a new game, but a ton of new Pokemon. When FRLG and HGSS came out, that sense of excitement was long gone.
I guess that's fair enough but technically speaking FRLG and HGSS were superior in pretty much every way, so since I hold no nostalgia towards the originals, I just cannot like them as much as their remakes because the remakes improved so much. Hell, I'd argue the fact that HGSS added the physical/special split automatically makes it superior to GSC3DS FC:1375-8350-6103; Switch FC: 5454-0571-3814
Mii Name: Luigi; NNID: MARIOS_BRO123LuigiFan835 posted...Why is GB/C above everything else? FRLG and HGSS are far superior remakes, so they should be above GB/C
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Why is GB/C above everything else? FRLG and HGSS are far superior remakes, so they should be above GB/C
For their time, gen 1 and 2 were much more impressive than any other Pokemon games. Particularly gen 2.
Key phrase being "for their time". Going back to them now after playing the remakes show how much the improvements made a difference. Even ignoring all the other changes, the addition of the physical/special split and online battling automatically makes HGSS better than GSC.
For this reason Gen 1 and 2 will always be the two worst generations, because Gen 3 and 4 had superior versions of those games.3DS FC:1375-8350-6103; Switch FC: 5454-0571-3814
Mii Name: Luigi; NNID: MARIOS_BRO123LuigiFan835 posted...Key phrase being "for their time".
Well yeah. When you're being objective about comparing games from such different times, you have to take into account the context in which they released. With gen 1, it was incredible how they managed to fit such an experience on a Game Boy cartridge. Doubly so for gen 2, especially since most of the glitches were cleaned up compared to gen 1.
With FRLG, all they did was take the already-established gen 3 engine and the already-established gen 1 games, and add the Sevii Islands and some other miscellaneous stuff. With HGSS, all they did was take the already-established gen 4 engine and the already-established gen 2 and gen 1 games, and add a few extras.
And for the record, try and go back to HGSS now. It's slow as f***. I tried it a few months back and it was so slow that had to double check my cartridge to make sure it wasn't a bootleg or something (it's not). I would play GSC over HGSS any day for that reason alone.
LuigiFan835 posted...For this reason Gen 1 and 2 will always be the two worst generations
Lol no, there's a reason they're the best selling generations. And that's despite the DS far outselling the GB(C). People love em, and it's not just because of nostalgia.GTX 980 | i7-4770k @ 4.0 GHz | 16gb RAM
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Why is GB/C above everything else? FRLG and HGSS are far superior remakes, so they should be above GB/C
For their time, gen 1 and 2 were much more impressive than any other Pokemon games. Particularly gen 2.
Key phrase being "for their time". Going back to them now after playing the remakes show how much the improvements made a difference. Even ignoring all the other changes, the addition of the physical/special split and online battling automatically makes HGSS better than GSC.
For this reason Gen 1 and 2 will always be the two worst generations, because Gen 3 and 4 had superior versions of those games.
I'll never get this kind of logic. It's like saying the original NES super mario games are the worst mario games, because the SNES mario all-stars features improved versions of them. If you think HS/SS were great, then you also think GSC were great because that's what those games are based on.Metastase posted..."try and go back to HGSS now. It's slow as f***"
You can turn off animations on the options menu. Even with them ON, I don't see any game breaking difference specially considering heir superior content.
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