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I've always thought it was a pretty mediocre system. Sure,it had some great games like Shenmue and Sonic Adventure,but not that many imo. Also,the controller was embarrasing. It doesn't lie well in the hand,the control stick was slippery and the D-pad felt cheap. Like,really,really cheap.
I'm not looking down on you if you like the system or consider it good. I'm just confused as to why it's remembered as such a classic.
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Because it had a rather stellar library of arcade style games, and was the first console to not only have a plethora of arcade perfect ports at a reasonable price, but in addition also had quite a few console originals that were good and upgraded ports of games from the previous gen.
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It had a few classics in my book. That's rare for a system for me.
Code Veronica, Tennis 2K, NFL 2K, Tokyo Extreme Racer Those aren't even the games most people would list.
With deeper knowledge and experience, everything else becomes more shallow.
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sorta like the WiiU type of thing.
it ultimately lacked a lot of games, but had some neat exclusives (and additionally, it had the best versions of a couple of arcade style games) its not omg best ever, just more underated. |
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A great system with a library of good games.
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Dreamcast did have a lot of cool stuff, though a lot of its best games have newer ports. Not all of them are better, however (e.g., Crazy Taxi).
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Dreamcast is the perfect storm of quality, timing in the industry, and nostalgia. It's not only one of the best consoles in history from an objective point of view, but it came at an era where it was both ahead of it's time and the last of it's kind.
Dreamcast represents all the things we miss about video games such as arcade ports, local multiplayer, simple plug and play mechanics, etc. while at the same time trailblazing modern trends such as online gaming, pressure sensitive buttons, open world games, etc. Factor in the fact that most of us fans were at a very impressionable age when it released(12-20), and you have a huge nostalgia factor. This was also a great era for video games in general beyond the dreamcast, so we have fond memories of gaming as a whole during this time. I've been playing this console for almost 2 decades due to some of the best games in the world being on it, along with nostalgia and a huge library of games. I still haven't played them all after all this time. Every time I play a new game it feels fresh and awesome. The only games that feel stale are ones I've already played the crap out of, but if they are my favorites than I still enjoy myself. I've beaten Shenmue at least 30 times and I still enjoy playing today, for example... My console is a customized revision 1. Custom Paint, fan mod, USBGDROM with tray, changable battery, etc. Here's a pic: https://s5.postimg.org/3rt512bzr/20170505_181140.jpgAlso I use a cheap tomee VGA cable as my HDTV has a VGA port built in which is so sexy... My collection is 3 revision 1 consoles. One for spare parts, one is my modded one I use daily, and one is brand new(literally never used) new in box. I have a small collection of games and peripherals. All of my most favorite games I have on disk(about 20), the rest I can play on my USBGDROM. I have 4 controllers(one custom painted to match my console), 8 vmu, a mission stick, a keyboard, and 6 extension cords. EDIT: Also, I won't pretend the controller was the best, but it was actually really good. I've been beating the s*** out of the same one for 17 years now and it works like a dream. You have to get used to it, it's not like an xbox controller than feels good right off the bat, or a dual shock that's just ingrained in your muscle memory since 1996...
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uDubstep posted...
Heartfelt speech about the greatness of the Dreamcast Damn dude, that was beautiful. I'm a relatively new Dreamcast owner (2014), but now I feel like I'm not doing it justice. I'm gonna have to flesh out my library.
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Quirk titles, and an underdog system. Plus arcade ports.
I love the Dreamcast, but it is MASSIVELY overrated. If you weren't into arcade games or sports games, the system was kind of a piece of s***, relatively speaking. But if it hit your niche, that system was a dream come true, because at the time nothing really did some of that stuff even close to as good as the DC. (Maybe the Saturn's fighters rival it?)
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Like always, casuals fail to understand the greatness of Sega consoles. Happens with Genesis, happens with Dreamcast. Still happens. It's usually americans, cause over here in Europe Sega and Sony were king and Nintendo was a literally who until the Gamecube and Wii
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Obviously it had the best Sports titles at the time with Sega Sports which is now 2K sports and some other key titles from Sega.
Overall though i'd say it had a pretty weak lineup of games for anyone who wasn't big into arcade titles of that era and the controller is pretty bad and way too big in a Xbox Duke way. Also Shenmue was trash.
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the VMU alone made it unique. then chu-chu rocket bro. then you had the library. power stone 1+2, MvC 1+2, Re:CV, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia. throw in some more: Sonic Adventure, Sword of the Berserk, Jet Grind Radio and many others. I also first played Soul Reaver on the system.
people compare it to the wii U but it was way better and more diverse than the wii U, which is mainly nintendo centric.
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Frozen_Robo-Ky posted...
uDubstep posted...Heartfelt speech about the greatness of the Dreamcast Do yourself a favor and get yourself a usbgdrom if you have the coin. The single greatest gaming investment one can possibly make...
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Its a reminder of why Sega was and will forever be garbage compared to Nintendo.
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Shut the f*** up, you phony gamer. You don't even play games, so you have no right to criticize anything. I doubt you own anything Nintendo related and are nothing more than a bandwagoner who claims to be a fan.
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I never thought the Dreamcast was that great. It has nice graphics, but it did not have the game library people claim. It was too arcade-y, and by 1999 arcade games weren't the thing they were in the 80s and early 90s. Off the top of my head, here are the games I have always heard praised on the system:
SoulCalibur Grandia II Skies of Arcadia Sonic Adventure Sonic Adventure 2 Shenmue Crazy Taxi There were probably a handful more that I can't remember, but this list is forgettable compared to the Genesis library. Plus most of those games got better versions on later systems. I don't understand praising a system that has fewer notable games than people can count on their hands.
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TheOpposite posted...
I never thought the Dreamcast was that great. It has nice graphics, but it did not have the game library people claim. It was too arcade-y, and by 1999 arcade games weren't the thing they were in the 80s and early 90s. Off the top of my head, here are the games I have always heard praised on the system: Your last statement is categorically untrue, as is the statement about most of the games you listed having better versions on later systems (at least of that gen). Of the list you posted, only SA2 and Skies arguably had better versions on later consoles of that gen. And if you're including consoles from after that gen, then the same holds true for PS2, GC, and XBox as well. |
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If it wasn't for the original Street Fighter 3 and possibly Sega Marine Fishing and that Ferrari game it would not been that great in my book.
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>Sonic Adventure
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spiffyone posted...
Because it had a rather stellar library of arcade style games, and was the first console to not only have a plethora of arcade perfect ports at a reasonable price, but in addition also had quite a few console originals that were good and upgraded ports of games from the previous gen. This |
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TheOpposite posted...
I never thought the Dreamcast was that great. It has nice graphics, but it did not have the game library people claim. It was too arcade-y We've spotted the casual...
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The older I get the more I realize I'm a Sega guy and probably always have been. Always had both consoles growing up except I skipped saturn for some reason.(have one now). Dreamcast had so, so many great games. People act like it sucks now, but you gotta remember that most of it's exclusives are no longer exclusive - if you consider the library as it was then, it was probably best ever.
Games of that era had the best feel too. Games like Blue Stinger had that dreamcast feel, even when it wasn't good. And so many games WERE good. It's not my favorite console ever anymore but it's definitely great. It probably would have been my favorite if it lived on.
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What you have to understand for its time, It was absolutely mind blowing. It was Sega's last console and holy crap did they go out with a bang, The controller wasn't great but the library made up for it and then some. Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventures, House of the Dead, Soul Calibur, Marvel Vs Capcom 1 and 2, Street Fighter 3rd strike, Shenmue,Phantasy Star Online, Power Stone 1 and 2, Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Every 2k Sports title, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, Skies of Arcadia. And that's only a few that I can think of off the top of my head. The dreamcast even had online capabilities with some games and even had a web browser that you could download music and demos from.
Outside of the playstation 2, I think the dreamcast, till this day, still has the best set of launch titles of any console. Amazing arcade ports, great exclusives and great sports titles. I still think it was ahead of its time. |
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it had a couple good multiplats, some interesting offerings from sega, and a couple great arcade ports
most of its games that i care about can be found elsewhere and some of the things (sonic, pso, skies of arcadia) isn't that good to begin with overrated but still decent enough i suppose |
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its because you are a casual gamer, tc. dont lie bro, just admit it.
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It had no games
Pointless system, as everyone was buying the superior PS2. Didn't play DVDs. Crap controller with too few face buttons, crap dpad, and crap Tamigotchi memory card. Disc drive was noisy and prone to break down and disc read errors. Online play was laggy, crap, and basically an expensive novelty. Bad fanbase with a chip on their shoulder about being pwned by Sony and the PS1. Prone to instant buyer's remorse. |
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Overrated hipster console. NGG has a lot of minority opinions of this nature. Don't even get us started on that Saturn nonsense...
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the dreamcast is underrated AND overrated
the general public underrates it nerds on forums overrate it the truth is somewhere in the middle. it's a nice console, worth owning imo. but you gotta realize the thing had like MAYBE 2 years on the market before it was killed off, so don't expect some amazing expansive library. and as people have mentioned, i hope you like arcade games. and fighting games. and not rpgs so much, or action games, or a lot of other genres it did have quite a few strengths though. one that's hardly ever mentioned, and kinda dated now, is its sports lineup. the 2k games were some of the best on the market at the time. it's just not a genre people usually go back and play older games from, although i love doing it. there were also a lot of b/c-tier games that are kinda love it or hate it. one i remember liking a lot that you usually never hear about (unless people are bashing it) is soul fighter. draconus: cult of the wyrm is another one. some people really like zombie revenge, but i couldn't get into that one as much. and it has a handful of pretty decent light gun games, but you need an old crt to play them imo it's the third best console of the 6th gen. the ps2 absolutely demolishes it, but then again it crushes pretty much everything. the original xbox is better, it had a lot of overlooked games and the best versions of almost every multiplatform title, plus good support from sega themselves after the dreamcast died. the gamecube and dreamcast are close, but i think i would personally put the dreamcast slightly above it because outside of the usual tired first party rehashes the gamecube didn't have much going for it. i will admit it's close though if anyone says the dreamcast is the best console of all time they are almost certainly a sega fanboy, because it's almost impossible to justify that. it's a solid console, middle of the road, and admittedly some of that is due to how quickly sega killed it off
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I see one of the best consoles ever made, which unfortunately Sega failed.
I go back to its games probably more than any other console I own. The software library is unbelievably strong for something that only really really had two and a half years on the market. It's no surprise at all that gamers everywhere look back on it so fondly. P.S.: the non-gamer salt that the Dreamcast's constant acclaim causes is strong in this thread. These DEEELICIOUS tears are like the fire sustaining my soul :D
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JCvgluvr posted...
Overrated hipster console. NGG has a lot of minority opinions of this nature. Don't even get us started on that Saturn nonsense... Saturn was also an amazing console...
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uDubstep posted...
JCvgluvr posted...Overrated hipster console. NGG has a lot of minority opinions of this nature. Don't even get us started on that Saturn nonsense... I agree with uDubstep. Not the best system ever made,but I liked it. The Panzer Dragoon games alone made it worth it.
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Vlajdermen posted...
uDubstep posted...JCvgluvr posted...Overrated hipster console. NGG has a lot of minority opinions of this nature. Don't even get us started on that Saturn nonsense... Exactly. Saturn was like a poorly marketed, less supported Dreamcast. Filled with all kinds of awesome niche games, arcade ports, and some beautiful exclusives. It pales in comparison to dreamcast, but it really was amazing and I'm proud to play mine...
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young_flip posted...
the VMU alone made it unique. then chu-chu rocket bro. then you had the library. power stone 1+2, MvC 1+2, Re:CV, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia. throw in some more: Sonic Adventure, Sword of the Berserk, Jet Grind Radio and many others. I also first played Soul Reaver on the system. Alongside those games, it also had Dino crisis 1, Resident evil: code veronica, and the greatest shmup of all time: ikaruga.
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Vlajdermen posted...
I've always thought it was a pretty mediocre system. Sure,it had some great games like Shenmue and Sonic Adventure,but not that many imo. Also,the controller was embarrasing. It doesn't lie well in the hand,the control stick was slippery and the D-pad felt cheap. Like,really,really cheap. because >had online before Sony, M$ and Nintendo did >had VMU memcards that you could play as games (Pocketstation tried it but failed) >The game library barely had any duds really. >system's 3D wasnt grainy or pixelated >had good sports games that werent tied to EA >no region lock. no region block either (could play PSO with JPN players)
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Devilman_Amon posted...
>had VMU memcards that you could play as games (Pocketstation tried it but failed) The irony is that Dreamcast failed too....
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Forestbug posted...
Devilman_Amon posted...>had VMU memcards that you could play as games (Pocketstation tried it but failed) No. Sega failed Dreamcast, not the other way around. In its short time on market it didn't sell much worse than GC and XBox did during their first years on market. The difference was the amount of cash their parent companies had earned from years prior to that generation, and their ability to use said cash to buttress any losses and keep their respective platforms afloat during downturns and tough times. |
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If we're being honest though, all of the points you cited could be applied flawlessly to consoles like the N64 or the GameCube, or just about any console that didn't push for overdrawn third-party support and fully-streamlined hardware: in essence, any console that isn't the NES, SNES or PlayStation.
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Devilman_Amon posted...
no region lock Dreamcast most certainly was region locked. It was just very easy to get around such things with boot disks, gameshark, etc... While on the subject of boot disks, another reason Dreamcast has such a rabid fanbase that I failed to mention before, is that it's technically still alive and supported. The last official game came out in like 2007 or something, BUT indy devs continue to make/port games to the console every year. The online functions also still work via private servers and people are still able to play online games together. I play PSO every once in awhile still with old school keyboard and everything. This puts dreamcast in a very unique zombie stage of it's life. Perfect for keeping us old fans happy, while attracting a new hipster crowd of kids interested in this old tech...
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The DC was ahead of its time. Far more powerful than its competition at the time, had a great variety of games, had the innovative VMU, and helped make online mainstream for consoles. There's a lot to like about it.
Vlajdermen posted... Sure,it had some great games like Shenmue and Sonic Adventure,but not that many imo Yeah, you desperately need to do research on the DC's library. Illuminoius posted... it had a couple good multiplats, some interesting offerings from sega, and a couple great arcade ports I can understand your hatred for the Sonic Adventure games, but Phantasy Star Online and Skies of Arcadia weren't that good? f38748293478324 posted... It had no games Joke post. JCvgluvr posted... Overrated hipster console. NGG has a lot of minority opinions of this nature. Don't even get us started on that Saturn nonsense... Another joke post.
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I have massive high school nostalgia for the system but even then AND now I thought it was lacking in the type of games I like to play.
It lacks beat em ups, has too many one on one fighters a genre I'm not a big fan of. It lacks good platformers outside of Rayman, Magnetic Neo and the Sonic games which aged terribly. It did have great games such as Makken X, tho I never beat this. It has some neat JRPGs tho many weren't localized. Then there was Jet Set Radio, Ecco, Shenmue 1 and 2 for us here in Europe. I played a ton of Quake 3 and Unreal Torunament online on it despite having a computer that could play them better lol But the system had too many one on one fighters or arena brawlers like power stone, spawn, that one heavy metal game and so forth. I don't care much about those type of games even tho I do enjoy them from time to time. Sure there are a ton of shmups on it, but many of those can be played elsewhere Still, I do love the system and I do play it even today, but it is overrated in terms of content and arcade game availability, if only it had more platformers and beat 'em ups or run and gun shooters like my beloved Gunlord which came way after the system's "death". Then there's the controller. Have you TRIED playing Bangai-o, one of the best games on the system with the thing? A Directional shooter where you either have to use the face buttons to awkwardly shoot where you want OR get used to holding the controller in the utmost weird way to play it like a normal directional shooter where you move with the wonky dpad and shoot using the analog stick. I love the system but I know its flaws better than most nostalgia influenced people because I always have it hooked up for one reason or another.
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Using face buttons in a shooter isn't awkward at all lol
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uDubstep posted...
Using face buttons in a shooter isn't awkward at all lol Nah, Kiba has sort of a point with Bangai-O on Dreamcast. In the N64 original, the analog stick handled shooting and aiming, the dpad movement. Having the analog stick handle shoot/aim in a multidirectional shooter is better than having four face buttons handle it, as diagonal shots are easier and quicker to pull off. With the face buttons, pressing two buttons at once, some at very awkward angles, is necessary; with the analog stick, one need only hit the diagonal directions using the stick (I'll also note that spraying ammunition in a circular pattern was also easier on the stick for this very reason). On DC, the default interface is using those face buttons in place of the analog stick for shoot/aim. A secondary control option is available giving the same set up as the N64 original (analog stick shoot/aim, dpad movement), but as the stick and the dpad are on the same side on the DC controller...well, that's really f***ing awkward. It would have been better had there been a second stick, obviously, but the team behind the game could've (and should've) had the face buttons control movement (with the analog controlling shoot/aim) as an option. Kiba, you can utilize the control set up I just described if you use one of those MadCatz programmable DC controllers. Just map the face buttons to act as the directions on the dpad. That way you can shoot using the analog stick without having to hold the controller at an awkward angle. Of course it's not as optimal as the N64 set up, because you'll have to use your right thumb for movement control rather than your left, but it's better than the stock set ups for the game and you get used to it quite quickly (or at least I did). |
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spiffyone posted...
It would have been better had there been a second stick, obviously, but the team behind the game could've (and should've) had the face buttons control movement (with the analog controlling shoot/aim) as an option. I agree, but I never had issue with the regular controls. Face buttons just feel like a PS1 d-pad honestly...
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Vegeta1000 posted...
I can understand your hatred for the Sonic Adventure games, but Phantasy Star Online and Skies of Arcadia weren't that good? pso is amusing but other than being casual fun or an addicting rare items hunt, it's pretty boring they told the main story and every single sidequest in the same four areas, enemies were recolored all over the place, and there just wasn't much to the combat besides "attack once or twice, walk back, continue attacking" (or you just mindlessly attack and use resta and invincibility frames to counterattack when you get hit) it had a really cool atmosphere and it sucks that none of the sequels ever came close to it phantasy star portable 2 (infinity) was probably the best that the classic formula could get without radically changing it tbh it's a shame that pso2 had to be so damn bad and be nothing but a f2p dressup simulator with addict traps instead of gameplay; its level design is somehow just as simple as the original game's but it somehow has less visual variety and no notable setpieces or anything since it's all procedurally generated despite all the fun new weapons and things like skill trees and certain stage gimmicks, it's a really unbalanced, unvaried game skies of arcadia is a cute game but the loading times, high encounter rate, and extremely slow battles really hurt it the vmu was an interesting concept but it was never worth actually putting minigames on them because they ate up all the memory, and the thing ate through batteries pretty fast i really hated how power stone 2 (a pretty good, casual arena fighter) tied custom weapons to vmus that only the specific player could break it was unnecessary for naming and viewing stats of chao in the sonic adventure games to be tied to the vmu it was cute how sonic shuffle had you view your stats on your vmu and would hide them from everyone else on the tv; it's the kind of use of the vmu that i would have expected the wii u gamepad to expand on, or for a handheld sequel or something to use oh, and i hated the controller, but not for the lack of available inputs, but instead for its weird shape, hard-to-reach joystick, and blister-causing d-pad
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It's a product of it's era. Good then, terrible now.
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I never owned one but I have such an admiration for it. I've never been exposed to a console with such weird, unique games as the Dreamcast. Things like Seaman or Illbleed or Space Channel 5 pique my curiosity endlessly.
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uDubstep posted...
Dreamcast is the perfect storm of quality, timing in the industry, and nostalgia. It's not only one of the best consoles in history from an objective point of view, but it came at an era where it was both ahead of it's time and the last of it's kind. Speaking of things that were ahead of its time, any of you guys remember the Sega Channel? |
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