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Thursday, August 3, 2017

I have no issue with the Plus price hike

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TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.
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kyncani 1 day ago#2
We'll see how it is. In the end there is no telling gamers what to do.
Yumi3000 1 day ago#3
Sure let's all pay $1000-2000 that'll show em.
Gailien 1 day ago#4
GalvatronType_R posted...
TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.

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PsychoWolfX 1 day ago#5
Price hikes always suck. I can understand the reasoning behind it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or can't complain.
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moxxidude 1 day ago#6
I see it's a European price hike this time. I stopped paying for it last October in North America. Not worth it for me. 

I'd be in favour of two tiers of PS+. One for those who just want the deals and one for those who want everything. I just want the digital only deals/sales and I'd be willing to pay $5 a month for that and not a cent more.
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PaulFoster 1 day ago#7
GalvatronType_R posted...
TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


Keep it up shillboy.
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kboot16-4 1 day ago#8
I would be fine with paying to play online if Sony actually hosted the servers, and I would be fine with the price hike if we actually got something for that money. We're paying $60 for nothing. Well, almost nothing.

Right now they're making 26mill x $60 a year just to host parties and make 10GB of online storage available per sub. That's almost $billion a year to host parites and messages. Think about that one for a second. $2 billion. For parties.
On top of that Sony also get a license fee for allowing publishers into their eco system and their playerbase.

That's a cover charge and 2 watered down beer per customer through the door at the club, and then a bill for the DJ for bringing his own music, sound setup, lights and dancefloor.

All the corporate apologists are ruining it for the rest of us.

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SonicGTX 1 day ago#9
yea ive had xbox live for about 10 years now and psn for about 8 yrs but i can tell you its ripoff and we are paying for nothing.

if it wasnt for ease of use and my friends i would get off my lazy behind and go to PC.
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Yojimbo2 1 day ago#11
praising price rises is like saying you want to bend over and be fucked in the ass harder, you disgust me.
bandit__74 1 day ago#12
moxxidude posted...
I see it's a European price hike this time. I stopped paying for it last October in North America. Not worth it for me. 

I'd be in favour of two tiers of PS+. One for those who just want the deals and one for those who want everything. I just want the digital only deals/sales and I'd be willing to pay $5 a month for that and not a cent more.



So you're will to pay $5/month but not $60 year? Please tell me you're taking the piss...
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IgorSaray 1 day ago#13
PaulFoster posted...
GalvatronType_R posted...
TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


Keep it up shillboy.
geejq 1 day ago#14
Paying for p2p online when you can do the same on pc for free. Feels good mang.
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"If you like it, buy it. Don't come to gamefaqs and tell us all about it." 

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bandit__74 posted...
moxxidude posted...
I see it's a European price hike this time. I stopped paying for it last October in North America. Not worth it for me. 

I'd be in favour of two tiers of PS+. One for those who just want the deals and one for those who want everything. I just want the digital only deals/sales and I'd be willing to pay $5 a month for that and not a cent more.



So you're will to pay $5/month but not $60 year? Please tell me you're taking the piss...


Sega offered free online and later on Sony and Nintendo, that was 3 gaming console which offered free online. Microsoft enters into making console and they start making their console pay to play online.

So since Sega stopped making console then it was 2 companies console with free online, while Microsoft was pay to play online. 

Then later on Sony start charging people to pay to play online, so it was 2 companies charging to play online, while Nintendo was the only company left doing free online.

Nowadays no console does free online all 3 console companies charges for their online to play against other people.

So from every console being free to play online it went to all console charging to play online and now even price increase.
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Okay, I'll take my business to one of the other companies that let me play my PS4 online. Oh wait...
GalvatronType_R posted...
TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.

But at the same time my other OPTIONAL subscriptions(cable, internet) are able to be negotiated with the providers. So with those I can get myself a better price by adding/removing features and locking myself into a multi year contract. 

You can't do that with Sony with Playstation Plus. So in that respect PS+ is INFERIOR to my other optional subscriptions.
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kaliskonig 1 day ago#19
GalvatronType_R posted...
No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

I'm going to start blocking users when they make dumbass comparisons.
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STFU tool If someone wants to play games that require internet connection like Overwatch and For Honor they have to fucking pay $60 extra just to play the game.
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SkinnEr2324 posted...
STFU tool If someone wants to play games that require internet connection like overwatch and for honor they have to fucking pay $60 just to play the game.

And who's fault is that? Sony didn't tell those devs to make their games online only.
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kaliskonig posted...
GalvatronType_R posted...
No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

I'm going to start blocking users when they make dumbass comparisons.

It really is stupid. It'd be valid if Ferrari and Rolex were the only cars and watches you can buy. But if you want to play online multiplayer on PS4 you have to pay for Plus. There's no way around it.
nihilist212 posted...
SkinnEr2324 posted...
STFU tool If someone wants to play games that require internet connection like overwatch and for honor they have to fucking pay $60 just to play the game.

And who's fault is that? Sony didn't tell those devs to make their games online only.

Or they can let people play games that require internet connection without psplus
nihilist212 posted...
SkinnEr2324 posted...
STFU tool If someone wants to play games that require internet connection like overwatch and for honor they have to fucking pay $60 just to play the game.

And who's fault is that? Sony didn't tell those devs to make their games online only.

But at the same time unless it's a first party(Sony released) title or one where Sony is hosting the server(s) for them we're essentially paying a toll to get on OTHER companies servers. In many cases these games aren't even hosting servers for anything more than stat keeping as quite a few games are P2P(peer to peer) where somebody in the session(s) is the host.
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bandit__74 posted...
moxxidude posted...
I see it's a European price hike this time. I stopped paying for it last October in North America. Not worth it for me. 

I'd be in favour of two tiers of PS+. One for those who just want the deals and one for those who want everything. I just want the digital only deals/sales and I'd be willing to pay $5 a month for that and not a cent more.



So you're will to pay $5/month but not $60 year? Please tell me you're taking the piss...


Lol. I guess he cant do math.

Moxxidude, you do realize $5 a month is still $60 a year? Might as well get plus then if youre willing to pay.
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Yojimbo2 posted...
praising price rises is like saying you want to bend over and be fucked in the ass harder, you disgust me.

haha, totally this
darklink67 1 day ago#27
Didn't they just raise the price last year? And didnt make any improvement on the service. Complete bs
darklink67 posted...
Didn't they just raise the price last year? And didnt make any improvement on the service. Complete bs


They didnt raise it everywhere.
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Can we agree without Microsoft every console which had online could play online multiplay for free.

No Microsft = Sega, Sony and Nintendo free online

Microsoft joins = Microsft, Sony and Nintendo require to pay to play online
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PaulFoster 1 day ago#30
Just play on PC, no stupid rip off fees there because PC users won't accept that shit, unlike console owners who whine but still pay up.
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kboot16-4 1 day ago#31
supermichael11 posted...
Can we agree without Microsoft every console which had online could play online multiplay for free.

No Microsft = Sega, Sony and Nintendo free online

Microsoft joins = Microsft, Sony and Nintendo require to pay to play online


Actually, SEGA exited the console market a few years before MS entered. In part due to poor leadership, a catastrophic design thart allowed pirated games to be played w/o the need for any modding, and in part due to a smear campaign from Sony.

This will not go over well with parts of the PS fanbase, but over the course of a year, Sony spend a lot of money on televised anti-Dreamcast commercials and general mis-information. DC was released a year ahead of PS2, and Sony was afraid of losing market shares. DC did have free online and even some gaming services. Sony did not like the online capabilities or features for DC, so that was downplayed a lot in the smear campaign. Eventually Sony ended up implementing them all.
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GalvatronType_R posted...
TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


Then why did you start this stupid topic?
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ThrillKillFan 23 hours ago#33
supermichael11 posted...
Can we agree without Microsoft every console which had online could play online multiplay for free.

No Microsft = Sega, Sony and Nintendo free online

Microsoft joins = Microsft, Sony and Nintendo require to pay to play online

This is a rather absurd example I see mentioned often. Just because one company charges doesn't mean that the other(s) had to follow suit. If anything they saw that gamers were paying in the millions for online play and whatever other benefits XBL has and Sony and Nintendo wanted their share of that money. 

If people stopped paying en masse then pay to play would go away. Maybe not overnight, but if enough gamers made a big enough stink like they did with MS and the 'no used games on XB1' thing then it would've gone away almost instantly.

But because people keep paying for it with the 'it is what it is' attitude they continue to get away with charging.
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So, not sure how much of this was trolling, serious or just a joke. Plus isint really considered a luxury when talking about an element required to play games online (with a few game exceptions like ff14 for example).

It's about as much a luxury as a steering wheel is an optional buy on a car.
Hey_its_goliath posted...
So, not sure how much of this was trolling, serious or just a joke. Plus isint really considered a luxury when talking about an element required to play games online (with a few game exceptions like ff14 for example).

It's about as much a luxury as a steering wheel is an optional buy on a car.


Bad example. Very bad example. You literally can't drive your car without a steering wheel. You can play plenty of games with your PS4 without Plus.
You look EXTREMELY immature when you announce that you're about to ignore someone. No one cares, including the person about to be ignored. Just FYI.
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cymanx 23 hours ago#36
The only service I am commited to paying for is gold. I'll alternate between netflix and amazon prime, and that is about it. But plsu, there is alot about plus that I don't really care for. With gold though, I am just invested in it, though I should cancel it I think.

That said, the only way that these price hikes stop coming, is for the paying customers to stop paying into these services.
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synklare 23 hours ago#37
PS+ is a luxury item?

Okay then.

I strongly disagree.
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ChaoticKnuckles posted...
Hey_its_goliath posted...
So, not sure how much of this was trolling, serious or just a joke. Plus isint really considered a luxury when talking about an element required to play games online (with a few game exceptions like ff14 for example).

It's about as much a luxury as a steering wheel is an optional buy on a car.


Bad example. Very bad example. You literally can't drive your car without a steering wheel. You can play plenty of games with your PS4 without Plus.


No, it's a valid example that you understood. Much like being unable to drive a car, you can't play any online only games without plus, or mp only games, or games that focus mostly on mp and campaign feels like a tacked on afterthought.
Hey_its_goliath posted...
ChaoticKnuckles posted...
Hey_its_goliath posted...
So, not sure how much of this was trolling, serious or just a joke. Plus isint really considered a luxury when talking about an element required to play games online (with a few game exceptions like ff14 for example).

It's about as much a luxury as a steering wheel is an optional buy on a car.


Bad example. Very bad example. You literally can't drive your car without a steering wheel. You can play plenty of games with your PS4 without Plus.


No, it's a valid example that you understood. Much like being unable to drive a car, you can't play any online only games without plus, or mp only games, or games that focus mostly on mp and campaign feels like a tacked on afterthought.


It's a bad example. Just because I understood it doesn't mean it applies or makes sense in the context of what we're talking about. Should have chosen something that doesn't completely disable a car from performing it's primary function if it's missing. The PS4 still plays TONS of games even if you're not a Plus subscriber. They're not in the same league. There's no reason to make your example so outlandish.

Not having Plus is more akin to having a car that doesn't even have stuff on it that's considered standard today. Maybe the experience isn't as enjoyable as it is for someone who has those features but the car is still completely functional and still serves its primary purpose.
You look EXTREMELY immature when you announce that you're about to ignore someone. No one cares, including the person about to be ignored. Just FYI.
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psnshade71 23 hours ago#40
Well I guess when Sony saw people were willing to pay that much a year to Microsoft they were like let's get in on this bullshit. Not surprised they are now raising the price first, they offer less and charge more. And they both screw you if your buying anything less than 12 months it's inflated by almost 50%. Price hikes always suck.
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PrOdIgYY-Life 22 hours ago#41
It's thanks to Microsoft. That fan boy base was more than willing to pay for tiered memberships and so Sony was like well fuck, looks like we gotta hop on that because we fucked up our PS3 marketing.

Christ, I can't stand AAA companies sometimes, because they just know they can get away with bullshit because of the name.

That being said, I'm off to support this company by renewing my ps+.
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SonicGTX 21 hours ago#42
^^^ yea youre right, it did start with microsoft, those greedy fucks. their intial plans for the xbox one was some sleezy bullshit too but thats another story.

Nintendo and Sony are just hopping on the bandwagon cause its easy money.
rafamaximo 21 hours ago#43
TC is right. But those who also claim placing online play behind a paywall and not offering enough value for PS+ price are cheap moves by Sony are also right. In the end, everyone does whatever the fuck they want with their own money, but best for all PS4 gamers would be if most people cancel their PS+ subs.

So Sony would either try to offer a better service to justify the prices or at least take down online paywall.

I don't care either way, as I rarely don't play online, even back in PS3 days where it was free. If I wanted to deal / interact with random strangers, I'd rather go outside instead of playing videogames.
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psnshade71 20 hours ago#45
SonicGTX posted...
^^^ yea youre right, it did start with microsoft, those greedy fucks. their intial plans for the xbox one was some sleezy bullshit too but thats another story.

Nintendo and Sony are just hopping on the bandwagon cause its easy money.


Sony had the same sleazy shit planned. It's the game developers that want drm because they feel they are losing money to used games. Microsoft fucked up by announcing it first and Sony pulled back. It's the only reason they sold so many PS4s. It damn sure isn't because they have so much more to offer.
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ThrillKillFan 20 hours ago#46
Hey_its_goliath posted...
So, not sure how much of this was trolling, serious or just a joke. Plus isint really considered a luxury when talking about an element required to play games online (with a few game exceptions like ff14 for example).

It's about as much a luxury as a steering wheel is an optional buy on a car.

Except that last gen on the PS3 we didn't have to pay as it was truly OPTIONAL. People who game on PC don't have to pay to play online. The only reason this still exists is because idiotic gamers pay for it without pushing back like they did with the 'no used games' thing on the XB1. If people went without Plus, XBL and whatever Nintendo's service is called they would stop charging if people did so in large enough numbers. 

It's just free money for Sony, MS and Nintendo since in most instances they're not even hosting the servers for the online games you're paying to gain access to.
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Ultimaspirit 20 hours ago#47
"I have no issue paying more for something that's no different than it was last gen for free". Zero logic there imo.
GXL_Leon 20 hours ago#48
I dont pay for plus... I was totally determined to not pay for it when it was 50
60 now? THE DONT PAY INTENSIFIES!

I use a friend's plus or go offline, I will never ever will pay for it, its a total scam

See Playstation 3? they play online for free. Explain that.
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bandit__74 19 hours ago#49
So what about the fact that I was paying for PS+ years before it was required for online MP? I've never paid for online MP and I still don't. I pay for the monthly games and discounts, always have. TBH, if I didn't come here, I would never have even known that Plus was required for MP.
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ThrillKillFan 19 hours ago#50
bandit__74 posted...
So what about the fact that I was paying for PS+ years before it was required for online MP? I've never paid for online MP and I still don't. I pay for the monthly games and discounts, always have. TBH, if I didn't come here, I would never have even known that Plus was required for MP.

That was your choice just like my one buddy from PSN who has paid since the beginning or so. As for me I was used to NOT paying on the PS3 and expected the same on the PS4 as to me that would be a MAJOR selling point for the system.

Once I found out it was REQUIRED to play online any interest I had in a PS4 waned to almost nothing. I had seen the "free" games that they added for each platform and most seemed to be lackluster in quality or stuff that I had already played or had ZERO interest in AT ALL. 

So to me it made no sense to pay for games that I wouldn't play. 

As for the discounts, they take the prices of the digital games from the store down to almost where their retail counterparts are at in many cases. But I don't view those as of any real value either since most digital versions of games with a retail physical version are 20-40%(or more) higher than said physical version. While not a current gen game, look at GTA V on the PS3 as an example. It's $29.99 NEW in most retail stores while it's $39.99 on the Playstation Store. That's a 25% difference between the physical and digital versions. It's absurd that digital pricing is often higher(and in some cases MUCH higher) than the physical edition(s).
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    bandit__74 17 hours ago#51
    ThrillKillFan posted...
    bandit__74 posted...
    So what about the fact that I was paying for PS+ years before it was required for online MP? I've never paid for online MP and I still don't. I pay for the monthly games and discounts, always have. TBH, if I didn't come here, I would never have even known that Plus was required for MP.

    That was your choice just like my one buddy from PSN who has paid since the beginning or so. As for me I was used to NOT paying on the PS3 and expected the same on the PS4 as to me that would be a MAJOR selling point for the system.

    Once I found out it was REQUIRED to play online any interest I had in a PS4 waned to almost nothing. I had seen the "free" games that they added for each platform and most seemed to be lackluster in quality or stuff that I had already played or had ZERO interest in AT ALL. 

    So to me it made no sense to pay for games that I wouldn't play. 

    As for the discounts, they take the prices of the digital games from the store down to almost where their retail counterparts are at in many cases. But I don't view those as of any real value either since most digital versions of games with a retail physical version are 20-40%(or more) higher than said physical version. While not a current gen game, look at GTA V on the PS3 as an example. It's $29.99 NEW in most retail stores while it's $39.99 on the Playstation Store. That's a 25% difference between the physical and digital versions. It's absurd that digital pricing is often higher(and in some cases MUCH higher) than the physical edition(s).

    So basically you're saying that PS+ is a service in which some people will find value and others will not? Just like any good or service offered in a free market? Caveat emptor, and all that...
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    bandit__74 17 hours ago#52
    Ultimaspirit posted...
    "I have no issue paying more for something that's no different than it was last gen for free". Zero logic there imo.

    So how do you justify paying more for a gallon of gas, a loaf of bread or a litre of milk? Same exact product, not improved in any way nor do you get any more of it, just costs more now than it used to.
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    DezCaughtIt 17 hours ago#53
    moxxidude posted...
    I see it's a European price hike this time. I stopped paying for it last October in North America. Not worth it for me. 

    I'd be in favour of two tiers of PS+. One for those who just want the deals and one for those who want everything. I just want the digital only deals/sales and I'd be willing to pay $5 a month for that and not a cent more.



    That's still $60 dude
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    ChaoticKnuckles posted...
    Hey_its_goliath posted...
    ChaoticKnuckles posted...
    Hey_its_goliath posted...
    So, not sure how much of this was trolling, serious or just a joke. Plus isint really considered a luxury when talking about an element required to play games online (with a few game exceptions like ff14 for example).

    It's about as much a luxury as a steering wheel is an optional buy on a car.


    Bad example. Very bad example. You literally can't drive your car without a steering wheel. You can play plenty of games with your PS4 without Plus.


    No, it's a valid example that you understood. Much like being unable to drive a car, you can't play any online only games without plus, or mp only games, or games that focus mostly on mp and campaign feels like a tacked on afterthought.


    It's a bad example. Just because I understood it doesn't mean it applies or makes sense in the context of what we're talking about. Should have chosen something that doesn't completely disable a car from performing it's primary function if it's missing. The PS4 still plays TONS of games even if you're not a Plus subscriber. They're not in the same league. There's no reason to make your example so outlandish.

    Not having Plus is more akin to having a car that doesn't even have stuff on it that's considered standard today. Maybe the experience isn't as enjoyable as it is for someone who has those features but the car is still completely functional and still serves its primary purpose.


    You can also play free to play games like DCUO, warframe, blacklight, paragon, etc...without plus. So yeah i agree, the whole no steering wheel thing is not a great example.
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    Newhopes 16 hours ago#56
    Never paid for PS+ and never will, if I want online I'll buy the game on PC.
    Sonixs 16 hours ago#57
    What if they raised it to $500 a year? 

    Would you still be cool with that Mr Free Market?
    SegavsCapcom 16 hours ago#58
    "Sir, people are complaining about the lack of quality from our online service."

    "I know just how to fix it!"

    *raises price yet again*

    ^Pretty sure that's what people are complaining about.
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    RyanEsau 16 hours ago#59
    Figured this was going to be another topic like when the US price hike hit.

    "I got a great job and blow like $500 a week, $60 a year is nothing!"

    Doesn't really change the situation for everyone else... different boats, different sails.

    Why exactly are we comparing a digital service to luxury cars though?... lol.
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    El_Zaggy 16 hours ago#60
    ITT: people think if something has cost X, it should always be that way, no matter how the operating cost changed, no matter how the inflation affect the cost.

    ah kids.

    while the price of food has risen twice the amount of inflation rates, I pretty sure you guys arent crying about it. but your little 'hobby' has a service that you are not even obligated to get and its the end of the world

    lets face it. it you cant pay a minor hike like this, you better reconsider a lot of things. if you're that broke, I dont think you should get ps+ (given the fact that the game they give arent quite great either)
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    kenshiki 16 hours ago#61
    @moxxidude, just wondering if you dropped out in the 1st grade.
    bandit__74 15 hours ago#62
    Sonixs posted...
    What if they raised it to $500 a year? 

    Would you still be cool with that Mr Free Market?

    Yes, I would still be cool with that. It's how free market economics work. I wouldn't pay that much for their service as I don't value it thus. But if they did raise it to $500, and people still paid for it, then the market will have spoken. I'm perfectly okay with a company charging what they think they can get for a product/service. It is entirely dependent upon the consumer (market) to dictate the value of that product.
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    ThrillKillFan 13 hours ago#63
    bandit__74 posted...

    So basically you're saying that PS+ is a service in which some people will find value and others will not? Just like any good or service offered in a free market? Caveat emptor, and all that...

    To an extent. For me it would be worth it at an greatly reduced price. But at current MSRP it's a NO BUY for me. Unlike my cable, internet and other OPTIONAL bills I cannot get a reduced price from Sony by calling them to negotiate it lower unlike with those other bills. At $15-30 a year I would be a buyer, but at $60 Sony can take it, turn it sideways and stick it straight where the sun don't shine.
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    SnakePlisken94 12 hours ago#64
    Yeah I am happy to pay more for less.
    Let me just bend over for sony
    just your typical butthurt basement dweller
    bandit__74 11 hours ago#65
    ThrillKillFan posted...
    bandit__74 posted...

    So basically you're saying that PS+ is a service in which some people will find value and others will not? Just like any good or service offered in a free market? Caveat emptor, and all that...

    To an extent. For me it would be worth it at an greatly reduced price. But at current MSRP it's a NO BUY for me. Unlike my cable, internet and other OPTIONAL bills I cannot get a reduced price from Sony by calling them to negotiate it lower unlike with those other bills. At $15-30 a year I would be a buyer, but at $60 Sony can take it, turn it sideways and stick it straight where the sun don't shine.

    Well, I see your point about PS+ price being non-negotiable, but that is true for most goods/services. The workaround to that is to wait for sales/price drops or coupons. I can't go in to my neighbourhood grocer's and negotiate a lower price for milk and eggs now can I?
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    UnclePobatti 11 hours ago#66
    Never bothered with it before, won't now. The price hike won't affect me.

    Want to be similarly unaffected? Unsubscribe.
    ThrillKillFan 11 hours ago#67
    bandit__74 posted...
    Well, I see your point about PS+ price being non-negotiable, but that is true for most goods/services. The workaround to that is to wait for sales/price drops or coupons. I can't go in to my neighbourhood grocer's and negotiate a lower price for milk and eggs now can I?

    Again though, Playstation Plus is an OPTIONAL service. With my other optional services I can and do negotiate with them once a year or whenever to get better service, whether its more channels or better internet speed for a new, lower price.

    I can't directly negotiate with Sony for a lower price on PS+ and what most stores view as a 'good sale price($30-40) for PS+ I do NOT view as a good price. I'd be a buyer at $20 MAX for a year. At forty bucks it's a joke to me.

    By the way things like milk and eggs are ESSENTIALS for life(aka food), this service is NOT.
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    lazer_lice 10 hours ago#68
    GalvatronType_R posted...
    TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

    We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

    Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

    So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


    "Hurt durr I'm a fanboy please charge me more Sony!!"

    When your clown ass is paying $100 a year in the future it'll be cause of ass biscuits like you who defended every price hike and gladly continued to throw your money at them.
    KhmerKing559 10 hours ago#69
    lazer_lice posted...
    GalvatronType_R posted...
    TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

    We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

    Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

    So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


    "Hurt durr I'm a fanboy please charge me more Sony!!"

    When your clown ass is paying $100 a year in the future it'll be cause of ass biscuits like you who defended every price hike and gladly continued to throw your money at them.

    You sound poor, bruh...
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    lazer_lice 10 hours ago#70
    KhmerKing559 posted...
    lazer_lice posted...
    GalvatronType_R posted...
    TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

    We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

    Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

    So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


    "Hurt durr I'm a fanboy please charge me more Sony!!"

    When your clown ass is paying $100 a year in the future it'll be cause of ass biscuits like you who defended every price hike and gladly continued to throw your money at them.

    You sound poor, bruh...


    You sound like a gullible sucker, kid.
    If people supports Sony increasing price then Sony will continue to increase price, if people didn't support and didn't buy PS+ then Sony wouldn't dare increase their price.

    I don't blame Sony for making online require subscription and increase price, but the fault is one people supporting those increase.

    When Microsoft was the only console to have pay to play online people supported them, even though Nintendo, Sony and PC offered them for free.

    The same goes when PS4 went pay to play online there was Nintendo and PC which were free.

    Now PC is the only one free.
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    kyncani 4 hours ago#72
    lazer_lice posted...
    KhmerKing559 posted...
    lazer_lice posted...
    GalvatronType_R posted...
    TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

    We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

    Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

    So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


    "Hurt durr I'm a fanboy please charge me more Sony!!"

    When your clown ass is paying $100 a year in the future it'll be cause of ass biscuits like you who defended every price hike and gladly continued to throw your money at them.

    You sound poor, bruh...


    You sound like a gullible sucker, kid.

    Well now you sound poor and #triggered lol ^^
    I will say this don't blame Sony for the price increase. Business has two choice to gain profit and those are:

    1st Satisfying meaning just gaining enough profit to pay everything and a bit over.

    2nd Maximum profit which mean charging as must as possible to gain as much profit as possible, although costumers may find it unfair.

    If people has no problem and are willing to pay more of course Sony would choose maximum profit.

    Remember maximum profit risk is if people stop buying the product or service so the company would lose money, they be forced to reduce price to attract the customers back.

    Sony doing right in making more profit, it is the consumers that are in the wrong for supporting the price increase.
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    EVILBRENDA 3 hours ago#74
    488 is twice the car of the 458. Just thought that should be known. Carry on.
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    psolitsa 2 hours ago#75
    I don't have a problem either. I don't buy it.
    EternalWaltz 2 hours ago#76
    TC is literally everything wrong with the entire industry.
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    El_Zaggy 2 hours ago#77
    lazer_lice posted...
    KhmerKing559 posted...
    lazer_lice posted...
    GalvatronType_R posted...
    TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

    We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

    Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

    So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


    "Hurt durr I'm a fanboy please charge me more Sony!!"

    When your clown ass is paying $100 a year in the future it'll be cause of ass biscuits like you who defended every price hike and gladly continued to throw your money at them.

    You sound poor, bruh...


    You sound like a gullible sucker, kid.

    actually you sound like the kid here

    I'm noticing a lot of people who criticize the hike arent people who actualy have a lot of experience in life. its just a couple of bucks a year. nothing really hardcore. and its not like sony does it every year. if you have a problem paying just a couple of bucks more on what looks like a normal price hike kid, You'll have big problem living your life because stuff like gas price, house loan interests, food price and almost every basic stuff gets a price hike. And most of the time, the impact is bigger, way more than a couple of bucks a year.
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    EternalWaltz 2 hours ago#78
    El_Zaggy posted...
    lazer_lice posted...
    KhmerKing559 posted...
    lazer_lice posted...
    GalvatronType_R posted...
    TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

    We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

    Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

    So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


    "Hurt durr I'm a fanboy please charge me more Sony!!"

    When your clown ass is paying $100 a year in the future it'll be cause of ass biscuits like you who defended every price hike and gladly continued to throw your money at them.

    You sound poor, bruh...


    You sound like a gullible sucker, kid.

    actually you sound like the kid here

    I'm noticing a lot of people who criticize the hike arent people who actualy have a lot of experience in life. its just a couple of bucks a year. nothing really hardcore. and its not like sony does it every year. if you have a problem paying just a couple of bucks more on what looks like a normal price hike kid, You'll have big problem living your life because stuff like gas price, house loan interests, food price and almost every basic stuff gets a price hike. And most of the time, the impact is bigger, way more than a couple of bucks a year.


    And literally nobody I know is okay with those hikes. I've never come across anybody who says "I am completely okay with the fact that my gas price just went up 10%. Totally cool with me!"

    There's something wrong with you psychologically if that's your attitude. Sorry to say, but it's true. That ain't normal.
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    KI11AK 2 hours ago#79
    lazer_lice posted...
    GalvatronType_R posted...
    TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

    We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

    Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

    So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


    "Hurt durr I'm a fanboy please charge me more Sony!!"

    When your clown ass is paying $100 a year in the future it'll be cause of ass biscuits like you who defended every price hike and gladly continued to throw your money at them.


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    MoreRpgs 2 hours ago#80
    Sheeple
    El_Zaggy 2 hours ago#81
    EternalWaltz posted...
    El_Zaggy posted...
    lazer_lice posted...
    KhmerKing559 posted...
    lazer_lice posted...
    GalvatronType_R posted...
    TL;DR if you don't like it, don't buy it.

    We live in a free market economy. Producers have the latitude to raise prices on their products. Consumers have the right to buy or not buy. That's capitalism.

    Playstation Plus is a LUXURY item. No one has a right to Plus; it is a want, not a need. No one complains when Rolex raised the prices of Submariners or Ferrari made the 488 GTB more expensive than the 458 Italia. Because they're luxury non-critical items.

    So just like no one has to buy a Rolex or Ferrari, you all are perfectly able to not buy Plus.


    "Hurt durr I'm a fanboy please charge me more Sony!!"

    When your clown ass is paying $100 a year in the future it'll be cause of ass biscuits like you who defended every price hike and gladly continued to throw your money at them.

    You sound poor, bruh...


    You sound like a gullible sucker, kid.

    actually you sound like the kid here

    I'm noticing a lot of people who criticize the hike arent people who actualy have a lot of experience in life. its just a couple of bucks a year. nothing really hardcore. and its not like sony does it every year. if you have a problem paying just a couple of bucks more on what looks like a normal price hike kid, You'll have big problem living your life because stuff like gas price, house loan interests, food price and almost every basic stuff gets a price hike. And most of the time, the impact is bigger, way more than a couple of bucks a year.


    And literally nobody I know is okay with those hikes. I've never come across anybody who says "I am completely okay with the fact that my gas price just went up 10%. Totally cool with me!"

    There's something wrong with you psychologically if that's your attitude. Sorry to say, but it's true. That ain't normal.

    I'm not okay with abusive price hike. I dont think its abusive here. its not that big of a price change, it dont happen often either.

    But here's the thing. At my work, we sell stuff. stuff that we make. I'm the one in charge to buy the material required to make the stuff. I'm also the one responsible to sell it. that also mean, I.m the one who make the prices on the finished product. I'm forced to make the price higher every year because every basic material always get priced higher and higher. is this provider's fault ? no. Salary keeps progressing, electricity cost keeps progressing, shipping cost gets higher etc etc. I understand that their product cost higher because our production cost went up too(without counting the material required). Then i need to contact our clients and talk to them about the price that will be now higher. 

    So what happens when a company doesnt want price hike every year or so ?We make contracts. But the thing is, I cannot predict the price of materials 2 years from now. So I price the finished product way way higher that the current profit % we target just to compensate for it.Would you rather pay 120$ and have no price hike for 5 years or pay 60$ now with incremental price hike for x numbers of years?

    The thing I want to say is.. there's multiple factors to why a company must take mesure to not lose the profit they want to make. Especially a company like Sony where theres stock and investors. It's a bit more complex than you think and if you keep crying about a couple of bucks a year,I just dont know who you will manage to live your life.

    in the end, you're a kid
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    1. Boards
    2. PlayStation 4 
    3. I have no issue with the Plus price hike

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