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Thursday, August 10, 2017

Scalpers (long read inside)

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Ninten_Duh 3 days ago#1
Scalpers do the exact same thing Nintendo (and the other big companies) do, as in, make easy money off people who are willing to pay. If you don't want to buy nobody forces you, but can you really blame them for doing what Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft (along with the grand majority of the gaming industry) themselves do in the first place?

Nintendo could solve this problem and kill scalpers off by simply manifacturing more products, but they have no financial interest in doing so, as they get to sell their products anyway.
On a similar note, scalpers could simply stop doing what they do, but do they have any reason to? Not really, as people are apparently willing to fuel their incomes. They lock amiibo and other stuff behind their ridiculous paywalls simply because they can, and know people will pay. And as said, if you don't want to open your wallet and support the practice because you don't agree with the principle, simply don't. It is that easy.

The same logic can be applied to locking parts of the game behind amiibo/DLC, which you can't access unless you are willing to pay. Why do companies do that? The answer is found some lines above: because they can, and know people are gonna pay.

Personally I never bought anything from scalpers, nor do I intend to in the future, and I am happy enough with my incomes that I do NOT feel the need to scalp, but I cannot blame people who do, because at the end of the day, these products for them have the same purpose they have for companies: making extra easy money, and as long as enough people pay to make the practice worth it, neither are going to stop.

How do you feel about the subject?
Solid Sonic 3 days ago#2
That I'm buying two SNES Classic Minis and if I can't mark up the second one for mad money I'll give it to a friend as a gift.
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Salocool 3 days ago#3
If people are ready to pay 50$+ for a cheap figurine manufactured in China, it doesn't mean Nintendo should increase production, but rather raise the price until offer meets demand.
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DASHWOOD 3 days ago#4
Salocool posted...
If people are ready to pay 50$+ for a cheap figurine manufactured in China, it doesn't mean Nintendo should increase production, but rather raise the price until offer meets demand.

This is the best post I saw today. (I imagined a graphic with the cost and income of a Nintendo product)
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Yeah, since people are apparently willing to pay $300 for an NES Mini, Nintendo may as well just sell the SNES version at that price to begin with and cut out the middle man ;)
Solid Sonic 2 days ago#6
Mover_of_Zigs posted...
Yeah, since people are apparently willing to pay $300 for an NES Mini, Nintendo may as well just sell the SNES version at that price to begin with and cut out the middle man ;)

People want to pay that much because of the perception that what they're buying is rare.

The only way to truly kill it is actually accede to the demand, which seems to be beyond Nintendo's understanding.
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GeneraLight 2 days ago#7
Welcome to the free market. Enjoy your stay.
GeneraLight posted...
Welcome to the free market.

Yes, we know it's not illegal. Doesn't mean they aren't a******s for buying up all available stock in order to artificially inflate prices ;)
Of course, the buyers are just as much to blame for having no impulse control.
Solid Sonic 2 days ago#9
Mover_of_Zigs posted...
GeneraLight posted...
Welcome to the free market.

Yes, we know it's not illegal. Doesn't mean they aren't a******s for buying up all available stock in order to artificially inflate prices ;)
Of course, the buyers are just as much to blame for having no impulse control.

But Nintendo vindicates the behavior by killing supply prematurely.
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Ninten_Duh 2 days ago#10
Salocool posted...
If people are ready to pay 50$+ for a cheap figurine manufactured in China, it doesn't mean Nintendo should increase production, but rather raise the price until offer meets demand.

This is actually a solid point. I can see them raising the price in the near future.

Solid Sonic posted...
Mover_of_Zigs posted...
Yeah, since people are apparently willing to pay $300 for an NES Mini, Nintendo may as well just sell the SNES version at that price to begin with and cut out the middle man ;)

People want to pay that much because of the perception that what they're buying is rare.

The only way to truly kill it is actually accede to the demand, which seems to be beyond Nintendo's understanding.

The thing though is that Nintendo has very little interest (if any) in killing them off. For what it's worth to them, scalpers are just people who buy the product and give them money. What they do with it afterwards is none of Nintendo's business.

Mover_of_Zigs posted...
GeneraLight posted...
Welcome to the free market.

Yes, we know it's not illegal. Doesn't mean they aren't a******s for buying up all available stock in order to artificially inflate prices ;)
Of course, the buyers are just as much to blame for having no impulse control.

See you cannot really blame people who buy from scalpers either, because they just want the product. The same logic can be applied to regular DLC. People buy it because it is the only way to access specific parts of the game. Even if it's something that could've been in the game in the first place, like a difficulty mode or a storage box, even going as far the true ending of a game.
Solid Sonic posted...
That I'm buying two SNES Classic Minis and if I can't mark up the second one for mad money I'll give it to a friend as a gift.


can I be your friend?

Also was that even up for pre order yet?
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Solid Sonic 2 days ago#12
Gamemaster64 posted...
Solid Sonic posted...
That I'm buying two SNES Classic Minis and if I can't mark up the second one for mad money I'll give it to a friend as a gift.


can I be your friend?

Also was that even up for pre order yet?

It's not.
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I think that Nintendo is in the business of making money. If people buy the things they sell, they have zero incentives to deviate from that path. Scalpers don't impact their bottom line whatsoever.

At that point, the only thing I can do is not support the product and move on.

Also, that wasn't a very long read.
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Ilovepeasoup posted...
I think that Nintendo is in the business of making money. If people buy the things they sell, they have zero incentives to deviate from that path. Scalpers don't impact their bottom line whatsoever.

True, but the thing about that is when they decided to stop production of the NES Mini, the demand was still sky high. They could have sold a LOT more if they continued making them a while longer.
Mover_of_Zigs posted...
Ilovepeasoup posted...
I think that Nintendo is in the business of making money. If people buy the things they sell, they have zero incentives to deviate from that path. Scalpers don't impact their bottom line whatsoever.

True, but the thing about that is when they decided to stop production of the NES Mini, the demand was still sky high. They could have sold a LOT more if they continued making them a while longer.


Is it known how many NES Minis were produced to begin with? I'd be curious to know that.

I'm not sure why Nintendo would discontinue a product that many people still want. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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Ilovepeasoup posted...
Mover_of_Zigs posted...
Ilovepeasoup posted...
I think that Nintendo is in the business of making money. If people buy the things they sell, they have zero incentives to deviate from that path. Scalpers don't impact their bottom line whatsoever.

True, but the thing about that is when they decided to stop production of the NES Mini, the demand was still sky high. They could have sold a LOT more if they continued making them a while longer.


Is it known how many NES Minis were produced to begin with? I'd be curious to know that.

I'm not sure why Nintendo would discontinue a product that many people still want. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'm pretty sure that it has to do with what their manufacturer was contracted to do. They had only budgeted for a holiday release window without anticipating the demand and once it had gotten out of hand, they were too late to do anything about it.

Now if it happens again, that's all on Nintendo. The precedent is there now so if they have crappy supply for the SNES Mini, then they did it deliberately and deserve any backlash that they get.
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